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MedeaLysistrata posted...

MedeaLysistrata posted...
Hm.

I think the degree of intersubjective intensity which a subject is exposed to is what increases the intensity of determinism. Herd panic and all that... A person alone, or more alone, has more will power. Idk. I need like 3 different books just to say this, anyway.
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I think this point that I am trying to make is interesting and want to elaborate on it. But I guess I probably don't actually want to do that

I think so too. It would seem you can be subject to a sort of social determinism the more ties you have, but on the other hand I wonder if it's irrelevant. A hermit in the woods might not be subject to herd forces but would now have a new set of forces and limitations

Also can you explain INUS conditions?
Doe posted...

You literally do make the choice. If you could reproduce reality and run it a thousand times, and I find I turn left some of the time and right other times, that should shake your belief in free will because there is no way to explain my actions. I certainly wasn't choosing them because if I was, I'd have gone left every time.

I think I go the other way on this. If you go left every time you're doing so because your brain is generating a reason for doing so based upon initial biological constraints and its development before you were even fully aware of your consciousness - could the thoughts you generated at the crossroads have ever been anything else?

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re: hermit in the woods, there is an Arabic/Islamic novel about a guy growing up alone on an island (raised by animals). Basically turns into a genius.

INUS conditions: insufficient but necessary unnecessary sufficiency condition (perhaps, it's a tricky one). So the unused matchbox in the cupboard could be the reason for the fire, basically.


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InYourWalls1 posted...

I think I go the other way on this. If you go left every time you're doing so because your brain is generating a reason for doing so based upon initial biological constraints and its development before you were even fully aware of your consciousness - could the thoughts you generated at the crossroads have ever been anything else?

I guess my wording was weak, I don't mean to propose it as an impulse decision but just a choice in general. But ultimately I'm not sure I see much of a difference. If you started me from the same point and in one timeline I reasoned to go one way, and in another timeline the other, well I wouldn't be very trusting of my reasoning anymore since it doesn't seem decisive after all.

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The "version" of Quantum states are random when being observed

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