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Drpooplol 05/14/20 11:04:22 AM #1:	And honestly it's pretty toxic. I'm covering for a colleague who is out for a couple of weeks, and I get an email from a producer from another company for a client that my coworker forgot to order a requirement for. He CC'd my director so I knew I had to take care of shit right away. I ordered the requirement and replied "Sorry for that falling through the cracks, it's taken care of now." Like 5 minutes later the director told me to never apologize to the field. Even though providing good customer service is a staple of our business and our side definitely did fuck up. It happens intra-department as well. When my colleagues fuck something up, they never apologize. It's like they think it'll somehow cover up that they made a mistake. It's really annoying and to me demonstrates that you don't want to take responsibility for your actions. --- "Or do you want to know more about my vagina?" LIE "No" <cite>Drpooplol posted [p:939140351] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>And honestly it's pretty toxic. I'm covering for a colleague who is out for a couple of weeks, and I get an email from a producer from another company for a client that my coworker forgot to order a requirement for. He CC'd my director so I knew I had to take care of shit right away. I ordered the requirement and replied "Sorry for that falling through the cracks, it's taken care of now." Like 5 minutes later the director told me to never apologize to the field. Even though providing good customer service is a staple of our business and our side definitely did fuck up. It happens intra-department as well. When my colleagues fuck something up, they never apologize. It's like they think it'll somehow cover up that they made a mistake. It's really annoying and to me demonstrates that you don't want to take responsibility for your actions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knutjob 05/14/20 11:05:54 AM #2:	Apologising puts focus on the mistake rather than the solution <cite>knutjob posted [p:939140401] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Apologising puts focus on the mistake rather than the solution </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Squall28 05/14/20 11:06:50 AM #4:	Apologizing means admitting fault. People always flip things to make themselves look good. So many fuckers like to flip it to "you didn't explain the problem right!" --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:939140434] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Apologizing means admitting fault. People always flip things to make themselves look good. So many fuckers like to flip it to "you didn't explain the problem right!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 05/14/20 11:07:13 AM #5:	You can apologize for things without actually saying you're sorry. Stuff like "thank you for your patience" or "thanks for following up!" sound way more positive. --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:939140448] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>You can apologize for things without actually saying you're sorry. Stuff like "thank you for your patience" or "thanks for following up!" sound way more positive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Feline_Heart 05/14/20 11:07:25 AM #6:	If a company admits that they're at fault with something then the other person can sue them because you've already admitted that you're the one to blame. That's why the director told you to never apologize --- Pickles the Drummer doodily doo ding dong doodily doodily doo <cite>Feline_Heart posted [p:939140457] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>If a company admits that they're at fault with something then the other person can sue them because you've already admitted that you're the one to blame. That's why the director told you to never apologize </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 05/14/20 11:08:08 AM #7:	A lot of times you think you fucked up, the other party doesn't realize it's your fault or that there was even a problem. Only apologize when they clearly think you're at fault. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:939140491] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>A lot of times you think you fucked up, the other party doesn't realize it's your fault or that there was even a problem. Only apologize when they clearly think you're at fault. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drpooplol 05/14/20 11:09:07 AM #8:	MC_BatCommander posted... Stuff like "thank you for your patience" or "thanks for following up!" sound way more positive. These are not apologies. --- "Or do you want to know more about my vagina?" LIE "No" <cite>Drpooplol posted [p:939140529] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>MC_BatCommander posted... </cite> <quote>Stuff like "thank you for your patience" or "thanks for following up!" sound way more positive.</quote>These are not apologies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pus_N_Pecans 05/14/20 11:11:00 AM #9:	Yep, its a widespread issue and not just limited to the business world. It shouldnt be considered weak to accept responsibility for your actions. --- My arts- https://www.deviantart.com/bleakcreep <cite>Pus_N_Pecans posted [p:939140625] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Yep, its a widespread issue and not just limited to the business world. It shouldnt be considered weak to accept responsibility for your actions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cobra1010 05/14/20 11:11:13 AM #10:	Because if they apologise, the next thing is, they'll get sued. --- Now is the hour! Riders of Rohan! Oaths you have taken, now fulfill them all, to lord and land! <cite>Cobra1010 posted [p:939140635] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Because if they apologise, the next thing is, they'll get sued. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drpooplol 05/14/20 11:12:31 AM #11:	lamo trust me people, we wouldn't get sued over this mistake --- "Or do you want to know more about my vagina?" LIE "No" <cite>Drpooplol posted [p:939140686] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>lamo trust me people, we wouldn't get sued over this mistake </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/14/20 11:32:04 AM #12:	What useful purpose does an apology serve, over just resolving the issue? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:939141561] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>What useful purpose does an apology serve, over just resolving the issue? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorPiranha3 05/14/20 11:34:48 AM #13:	"Sorry about the delay" Is usually how I apologize through email when I forget to do shit. If it's a phone call, you can be a little more honest or upfront if they probe on it. --- The 30th post in this topic <cite>DoctorPiranha3 posted [p:939141692] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>"Sorry about the delay" Is usually how I apologize through email when I forget to do shit. If it's a phone call, you can be a little more honest or upfront if they probe on it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 05/14/20 11:34:56 AM #14:	Questionmarktarius posted... What useful purpose does an apology serve, over just resolving the issue? As early as kindergarten, people are taught basic humility. And part of that is acknowledging that you messed up. i mean, I guess from a purely utilitarian POV its superfluous. But then, so is literally any contact beyond your issue is resolved. Bye --- https://imgur.com/mptS9Qj <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:939141699] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>What useful purpose does an apology serve, over just resolving the issue?</quote> As early as kindergarten, people are taught basic humility. And part of that is acknowledging that you messed up. i mean, I guess from a purely utilitarian POV its superfluous. But then, so is literally any contact beyond your issue is resolved. Bye </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 05/14/20 11:36:15 AM #15:	Admitting a mistake is fine if you have a solution for how to avoid that mistake in the future. Sometimes protocol could use some tweaking because if it happens once it can happen again. Don't just say that you fucked up and shrug your shoulders. Your apologies don't really mean anything if I still have to worry about it happening again. --- PSN: Jiek <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:939141749] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Admitting a mistake is fine if you have a solution for how to avoid that mistake in the future. Sometimes protocol could use some tweaking because if it happens once it can happen again. Don't just say that you fucked up and shrug your shoulders. Your apologies don't really mean anything if I still have to worry about it happening again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HBOSS 05/14/20 11:36:57 AM #16:	protect tha business at all costs. --- You don't stop playing because you grow old, You grow old because you stop playing <cite>HBOSS posted [p:939141777] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>protect tha business at all costs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Colorahdo 05/14/20 11:38:27 AM #17:	In EMS we were taught to always blame the patient If I ever totally messed up getting an IV I'd just be all "hey try not to move so much next time, k" --- But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me ~Jesus Christ <cite>Colorahdo posted [p:939141849] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>In EMS we were taught to always blame the patient If I ever totally messed up getting an IV I'd just be all "hey try not to move so much next time, k" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drpooplol 05/14/20 11:38:51 AM #18:	DoctorPiranha3 posted... "Sorry about the delay" Is usually how I apologize through email when I forget to do shit. If it's a phone call, you can be a little more honest or upfront if they probe on it. Same here, and I say how I'm fixing it, ofc. In this situation I didn't want to say "Jerry fucked up, I'm on it" because interpersonal relationships are also important in the business world, which a lot of people in this topic don't seem to understand! --- "Or do you want to know more about my vagina?" LIE "No" <cite>Drpooplol posted [p:939141867] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>DoctorPiranha3 posted... </cite> <quote>"Sorry about the delay" Is usually how I apologize through email when I forget to do shit. If it's a phone call, you can be a little more honest or upfront if they probe on it.</quote>Same here, and I say how I'm fixing it, ofc. In this situation I didn't want to say "Jerry fucked up, I'm on it" because interpersonal relationships are also important in the business world, which a lot of people in this topic don't seem to understand! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 05/14/20 11:39:17 AM #19:	knutjob posted... Apologising puts focus on the mistake rather than the solution This is the real answer --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:939141888] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>knutjob posted... </cite> <quote>Apologising puts focus on the mistake rather than the solution</quote> This is the real answer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drpooplol 05/14/20 11:39:45 AM #20:	Colorahdo posted... In EMS we were taught to always blame the patient If I ever totally messed up getting an IV I'd just be all "hey try not to move so much next time, k" that makes more sense, but it's also a lot more shitty lol. (I'm not blaming you at all for doing it, btw) --- "Or do you want to know more about my vagina?" LIE "No" <cite>Drpooplol posted [p:939141914] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Colorahdo posted... </cite> <quote>In EMS we were taught to always blame the patient If I ever totally messed up getting an IV I'd just be all "hey try not to move so much next time, k"</quote>that makes more sense, but it's also a lot more shitty lol. (I'm not blaming you at all for doing it, btw) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 05/14/20 11:42:52 AM #21:	I'm probably changing my major from business to math & econ because business majors are basically intellectually empty. The whole program feels like a 4 year trade school to learn how to use Excel and skate by in group projects. --- This signature won't be changed until at least one out of Astrograph Sorcerer, Double-Iris Magician, Performapal Monkeyboard or Electrumite is unbanned. 2/15/20 <cite>Doe posted [p:939142078] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>I'm probably changing my major from business to math & econ because business majors are basically intellectually empty. The whole program feels like a 4 year trade school to learn how to use Excel and skate by in group projects. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drpooplol 05/14/20 11:44:07 AM #22:	Doe posted... I'm probably changing my major from business to math & econ because business majors are basically intellectually empty. The whole program feels like a 4 year trade school to learn how to use Excel and skate by in group projects. what year of your program are you in --- "Or do you want to know more about my vagina?" LIE "No" <cite>Drpooplol posted [p:939142141] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite> <quote>I'm probably changing my major from business to math & econ because business majors are basically intellectually empty. The whole program feels like a 4 year trade school to learn how to use Excel and skate by in group projects.</quote>what year of your program are you in </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 05/14/20 11:50:40 AM #23:	Doe posted... I'm probably changing my major from business to math & econ because business majors are basically intellectually empty. The whole program feels like a 4 year trade school to learn how to use Excel and skate by in group projects. That's the real world baby. Bonus points if you do nothing in group projects, but offer to present. --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:939142481] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite> <quote>I'm probably changing my major from business to math & econ because business majors are basically intellectually empty. The whole program feels like a 4 year trade school to learn how to use Excel and skate by in group projects.</quote> That's the real world baby. Bonus points if you do nothing in group projects, but offer to present. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 05/14/20 12:13:37 PM #24:	Doe posted... I'm probably changing my major from business to math & econ because business majors are basically intellectually empty. The whole program feels like a 4 year trade school to learn how to use Excel and skate by in group projects. All of this still applies if you change majors --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:939143596] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite> <quote>I'm probably changing my major from business to math & econ because business majors are basically intellectually empty. The whole program feels like a 4 year trade school to learn how to use Excel and skate by in group projects.</quote> All of this still applies if you change majors </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flockaveli 05/14/20 12:16:12 PM #25:	It's a boomer thing. --- I'm in Chicago, I'm shaking my head. <cite>Flockaveli posted [p:939143719] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>It's a boomer thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 05/14/20 12:18:31 PM #26:	I never cared about apologies, just try harder. Why get caught up on a stock word that doesn't have to be genuine at all. Doing better is showing that they're genuinely sorry. Sorry has been used for manipulation more than it's used for actually apologising. --- Name checks out "Stupidity is a spectrum, and we're all on it" - OfDustandBone <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:939143830] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>I never cared about apologies, just try harder. Why get caught up on a stock word that doesn't have to be genuine at all. Doing better is showing that they're genuinely sorry. Sorry has been used for manipulation more than it's used for actually apologising. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/14/20 12:20:20 PM #27:	AlisLandale posted... As early as kindergarten, people are taught basic humility. And part of that is acknowledging that you messed up. Everything you learned in kindergarten is completely wrong in the business world. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:939143934] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>AlisLandale posted... </cite> <quote>As early as kindergarten, people are taught basic humility. And part of that is acknowledging that you messed up.</quote>Everything you learned in kindergarten is completely wrong in the business world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Megaman50100 05/14/20 12:22:19 PM #28:	Also in 'professional' psychology its better to appear confident and be wrong than to appear uncertain. This is a particular problem in medical professions. --- move all remaining groundhog mercenaries to the front lines. Have sheep troopers squadrons A and B flank the cows. They're using DC-17 hoof blasters. <cite>Megaman50100 posted [p:939144052] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Also in 'professional' psychology its better to appear confident and be wrong than to appear uncertain. This is a particular problem in medical professions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkbuster 05/14/20 12:23:59 PM #29:	I wish I could remember which one it was, but there's a TED talk that covers it, & it basically comes down to when apologizing, "then you look weak & **". The worst part is that I can't even fully disagree with that evaluation. An apology is seen as an admission of guilt, which is why a company either doesn't apologize at all or not exactly admit what they're apologizing for. --- Remember kids, it's only an RPG until someone gets hit with a meteor; Then it's a JRPG! SSBB: 3869 0521 7142 <cite>darkbuster posted [p:939144146] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>I wish I could remember which one it was, but there's a TED talk that covers it, & it basically comes down to when apologizing, "then you look weak & **". The worst part is that I can't even fully disagree with that evaluation. An apology is seen as an admission of guilt, which is why a company either doesn't apologize at all or not exactly admit what they're apologizing for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/14/20 12:24:13 PM #30:	Is an apology the same as owning a failure? Ive never heard anyone say anything negative about acknowledging a failure to do something --- Pitter-patter, let's get at 'er <cite>emblem boy posted [p:939144157] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Is an apology the same as owning a failure? Ive never heard anyone say anything negative about acknowledging a failure to do something</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 05/14/20 12:49:38 PM #31:	Questionmarktarius posted... Everything you learned in kindergarten is completely wrong in the business world. Yes, American capitalism rewards sociopathy and narcissism. This isnt news. --- https://imgur.com/mptS9Qj <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:939145434] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Everything you learned in kindergarten is completely wrong in the business world.</quote> Yes, American capitalism rewards sociopathy and narcissism. This isnt news. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrMallard 05/14/20 12:54:32 PM #33:	Yeah, it's because apologizing opens the business up to liability apparently. By admitting that you did something wrong, the worst case scenario is that somebody can sue the company, or at least generate some bad word of mouth about your business. You're expected to use like weasel words and shit, make it up to them without conceding that you fucked up. It's stupid. --- So you don't get to be a saint, martyrs never last this long Now Playing: Skyrim, Final Fantasy X-2 <cite>MrMallard posted [p:939145656] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, it's because apologizing opens the business up to liability apparently. By admitting that you did something wrong, the worst case scenario is that somebody can sue the company, or at least generate some bad word of mouth about your business. You're expected to use like weasel words and shit, make it up to them without conceding that you fucked up. It's stupid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 05/14/20 1:02:32 PM #34:	Litigation attorneys love it when the defending party has already admitted fault at some point because it makes their case easier to win and win big, so the only winning move is to never admit fault by apologizing even if they are clearly in the wrong. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:939146010] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Litigation attorneys love it when the defending party has already admitted fault at some point because it makes their case easier to win and win big, so the only winning move is to never admit fault by apologizing even if they are clearly in the wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/14/20 1:02:36 PM #35:	MrMallard posted... You're expected to use like weasel words and shit, make it up to them without conceding that you fucked up. It's very rarely your fault, unless you've done something overtly malicious or grossly incompetent. One of the first things you figure out in the "real world" is that customers don't know what they actually want - they only know what they don't like. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:939146015] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>MrMallard posted... </cite> <quote>You're expected to use like weasel words and shit, make it up to them without conceding that you fucked up.</quote>It's very rarely your fault, unless you've done something overtly malicious or grossly incompetent. One of the first things you figure out in the "real world" is that customers don't know what they actually want - they only know what they don't like. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drpooplol 05/14/20 1:10:12 PM #36:	g980 posted... All of this still applies if you change majors yeah that's what I was gonna get at, and then if they were like a freshman or sophomore, then just virtually everyone in college is like that. --- "Or do you want to know more about my vagina?" LIE "No" <cite>Drpooplol posted [p:939146397] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>g980 posted... </cite> <quote>All of this still applies if you change majors</quote>yeah that's what I was gonna get at, and then if they were like a freshman or sophomore, then just virtually everyone in college is like that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 05/14/20 1:27:26 PM #37:	I'm up-front. I screwed up, it's on me, I'll own it, and I'll make it better. --- ~Drewnami~ A beacon of Light from a burning screen. <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:939147241] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>I'm up-front. I screwed up, it's on me, I'll own it, and I'll make it better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
berlyman101 05/14/20 1:33:20 PM #38:	Depends on the type of mistake. If it's clearly on me, I'll own it. If I had one part in a process where other people messed up, or if I followed operating procedure and someone wasn't happy with it, you can fuck yourself if you try to pin it on me. --- http://www.lukesurl.com/comics/2010-02-24-determinism.png <cite>berlyman101 posted [p:939147555] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Depends on the type of mistake. If it's clearly on me, I'll own it. If I had one part in a process where other people messed up, or if I followed operating procedure and someone wasn't happy with it, you can fuck yourself if you try to pin it on me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 05/14/20 1:50:12 PM #40:	Soft skills is hard --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:939148439] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Soft skills is hard </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Austin_Era_II 05/14/20 1:52:06 PM #41:	g980 posted... This is the real answer This. Welcome to the corporate world. Solutions bro! We need solutions. --- No. of days without watching porn: 0 Best record: 3 days <cite>Austin_Era_II posted [p:939148528] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>g980 posted... </cite> <quote>This is the real answer</quote> This. Welcome to the corporate world. Solutions bro! We need solutions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drpooplol 05/14/20 1:53:10 PM #42:	Veggeta X posted... Soft skills is hard stop making excuses for being a bad poster. --- "Or do you want to know more about my vagina?" LIE "No" <cite>Drpooplol posted [p:939148598] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta X posted... </cite> <quote>Soft skills is hard</quote>stop making excuses for being a bad poster. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 05/14/20 1:55:40 PM #43:	I can understand the policy. Some companies and/or departments are so poorly run that they literally mostly stay afloat by finding someone else to blame. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:939148723] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>I can understand the policy. Some companies and/or departments are so poorly run that they literally mostly stay afloat by finding someone else to blame. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 05/14/20 1:57:24 PM #44:	Drpooplol posted... stop making excuses for being a bad poster. It's true, though. Most users on the Internet don't even know what soft skills are. People IRL don't know it either. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:939148809] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Drpooplol posted... </cite> <quote>stop making excuses for being a bad poster.</quote>It's true, though. Most users on the Internet don't even know what soft skills are. People IRL don't know it either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 05/14/20 1:58:21 PM #45:	Not apologizing is also not the same as not taking ownership btw --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:939148864] in There's a ... [t:78687760]...</cite> <quote>Not apologizing is also not the same as not taking ownership btw </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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