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CableZL 05/17/20 2:01:16 PM #51:	bump --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:939298043] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heavy_D_Forever 05/17/20 2:03:13 PM #52:	For someone with exactly zero professional experience in networking what would you reccomend they do to start out? --- E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES <cite>Heavy_D_Forever posted [p:939298103] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>For someone with exactly zero professional experience in networking what would you reccomend they do to start out? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Bitcoin 05/17/20 2:03:19 PM #53:	CableZL posted... bump @CableZL youre a good guy. I like you <cite>The_Bitcoin posted [p:939298108] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>CableZL posted... </cite> <quote>bump</quote> @CableZL youre a good guy. I like you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 05/17/20 2:05:38 PM #54:	Heavy_D_Forever posted... For someone with exactly zero professional experience in networking what would you reccomend they do to start out? Use the study materials to learn the stuff, and apply for jobs once you understand some of it. Seriously, just understanding some of this stuff puts you faaaaar ahead of many other people who apply for jobs at network operations centers. What I did was put on my resume that I was "studying for the CCENT" while I wasn't even serious about studying it... But I did understand some stuff from what I studied. I was really fortunate in that the place that hired me was planning to train me from the ground up in networking any way, but if you can actually demonstrate relevant knowledge, you're so far ahead of most other applicants for NOC jobs. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:939298211] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>Heavy_D_Forever posted... </cite> <quote>For someone with exactly zero professional experience in networking what would you reccomend they do to start out?</quote> Use the study materials to learn the stuff, and apply for jobs once you understand some of it. Seriously, just understanding some of this stuff puts you faaaaar ahead of many other people who apply for jobs at network operations centers. What I did was put on my resume that I was "studying for the CCENT" while I wasn't even serious about studying it... But I did understand some stuff from what I studied. I was really fortunate in that the place that hired me was planning to train me from the ground up in networking any way, but if you can actually demonstrate relevant knowledge, you're so far ahead of most other applicants for NOC jobs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heavy_D_Forever 05/17/20 2:07:04 PM #55:	CableZL posted... Use the study materials to learn the stuff, and apply for jobs once you understand some of it. Seriously, just understanding some of this stuff puts you faaaaar ahead of many other people who apply for jobs at network operations centers. What I did was put on my resume that I was "studying for the CCENT" while I wasn't even serious about studying it... But I did understand some stuff from what I studied. I was really fortunate in that the place that hired me was planning to train me from the ground up in networking any way, but if you can actually demonstrate relevant knowledge, you're so far ahead of most other applicants for NOC jobs. Right on man thanks, I appreciate the insight! --- E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES <cite>Heavy_D_Forever posted [p:939298271] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>CableZL posted... </cite> <quote>Use the study materials to learn the stuff, and apply for jobs once you understand some of it. Seriously, just understanding some of this stuff puts you faaaaar ahead of many other people who apply for jobs at network operations centers. What I did was put on my resume that I was "studying for the CCENT" while I wasn't even serious about studying it... But I did understand some stuff from what I studied. I was really fortunate in that the place that hired me was planning to train me from the ground up in networking any way, but if you can actually demonstrate relevant knowledge, you're so far ahead of most other applicants for NOC jobs.</quote>Right on man thanks, I appreciate the insight! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greencheek 05/17/20 2:09:00 PM #56:	you would recommend Cisco certs over comptia? or both? <cite>greencheek posted [p:939298356] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>you would recommend Cisco certs over comptia? or both? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Bitcoin 05/17/20 2:15:14 PM #57:	CableZL posted... Use the study materials to learn the stuff, and apply for jobs once you understand some of it. Seriously, just understanding some of this stuff puts you faaaaar ahead of many other people who apply for jobs at network operations centers. What I did was put on my resume that I was "studying for the CCENT" while I wasn't even serious about studying it... But I did understand some stuff from what I studied. I was really fortunate in that the place that hired me was planning to train me from the ground up in networking any way, but if you can actually demonstrate relevant knowledge, you're so far ahead of most other applicants for NOC jobs. whats the initial salary for a position like that? <cite>The_Bitcoin posted [p:939298600] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>CableZL posted... </cite> <quote>Use the study materials to learn the stuff, and apply for jobs once you understand some of it. Seriously, just understanding some of this stuff puts you faaaaar ahead of many other people who apply for jobs at network operations centers. What I did was put on my resume that I was "studying for the CCENT" while I wasn't even serious about studying it... But I did understand some stuff from what I studied. I was really fortunate in that the place that hired me was planning to train me from the ground up in networking any way, but if you can actually demonstrate relevant knowledge, you're so far ahead of most other applicants for NOC jobs.</quote> whats the initial salary for a position like that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 05/17/20 2:16:02 PM #58:	The truth of the matter is that 99% of people in these jobs aren't going to try to get the certs for one reason or another. They may or may not already have relevant knowledge, or at least enough knowledge to do their job day to day. They may be afraid to try because of how much there is to learn. Life gets in the way sometimes and some people just give up because of that. Some people actually try, fail an exam a couple times, then give up. If you're gonna do it, KEEP TRYING. Don't worry about failing exams 2 or 3 times. Sure, if you fail 8, 9, 10 times, it may be time to try something else, but... My recommendation is just to keep trying. If you really get serious about getting the certs and learning the material, you'll seriously be on a whole different level from them. There was a seemingly minor quote from the training videos I used when I was going for the CCNA. Jeremy Cioara from CBT Nuggets was teaching about something in relation to dynamic routing. He took a bit of time in one of the videos and made it clear that what he was about to show was NOT going to be on the CCNA exam because it's more for CCNP level... Jeremy Cioara: "What I'm about to show you is advanced... But it's not hard." And that's pretty much network engineering in a nutshell. It's very complex. It takes a lot of time to internalize the information. But it isn't hard work. Even at my old job where I was working a lot of hours because I was the only network engineer... It was pretty much solely because there was soooo much that needed to get done. None of the work I was doing was hard. It's just so advanced and complex that I was the only person in the organization that understood it and I didn't have help. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:939298631] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>The truth of the matter is that 99% of people in these jobs aren't going to try to get the certs for one reason or another. They may or may not already have relevant knowledge, or at least enough knowledge to do their job day to day. They may be afraid to try because of how much there is to learn. Life gets in the way sometimes and some people just give up because of that. Some people actually try, fail an exam a couple times, then give up. If you're gonna do it, KEEP TRYING. Don't worry about failing exams 2 or 3 times. Sure, if you fail 8, 9, 10 times, it may be time to try something else, but... My recommendation is just to keep trying. If you really get serious about getting the certs and learning the material, you'll seriously be on a whole different level from them. There was a seemingly minor quote from the training videos I used when I was going for the CCNA. Jeremy Cioara from CBT Nuggets was teaching about something in relation to dynamic routing. He took a bit of time in one of the videos and made it clear that what he was about to show was NOT going to be on the CCNA exam because it's more for CCNP level... Jeremy Cioara: "What I'm about to show you is advanced... But it's not hard." And that's pretty much network engineering in a nutshell. It's very complex. It takes a lot of time to internalize the information. But it isn't hard work. Even at my old job where I was working a lot of hours because I was the only network engineer... It was pretty much solely because there was soooo much that needed to get done. None of the work I was doing was hard. It's just so advanced and complex that I was the only person in the organization that understood it and I didn't have help. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 05/17/20 2:22:28 PM #59:	greencheek posted... you would recommend Cisco certs over comptia? or both? I was comparing Network+ and Cisco back in 2013 and decided to go with Cisco for a few reasons. Cisco incentivizes companies for having Cisco certified individuals on staff. I'm not sure of the exact requirements in that regard, but if a company has a certain number of Cisco certified individuals on staff at certain certification levels, the company gets discounts on Cisco equipment that they buy either for themselves or for their customers. The Network+ exam at the time had a lot of coverage about networking technologies that hadn't been used in 20 - 30 years. Cisco will teach you about that stuff lightly, but Cisco updates their exams every few years to keep up with new changes in technologies. I didn't want to learn much about IPX/SPX, ring networks, bus networks, Appletalk, etc. because it would be useless knowledge in this day and age. I believe the Network+ exam has been updated I was looking at it in 2013 so that may or may not still be the case, but I'm not sure. The Cisco exam track goes deeper into how networking works the further you go into it. There are also other perks of having different Cisco certs from different racks. For example, if you have a CCNA Enterprise and a CCNA Security, you actually get what's called "4011 Recognition" that Cisco gives you on behalf of the NSA, which I believe would help with getting networking jobs with the federal government. I have a CCNP Enterprise (formerly CCNP Routing and Switching) cert and a CCNA Security cert. I have that 4011 Recognition. If I were to get a CCNP Security cert, I would get 4013 Recognition, which is an even more advanced level. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:939298910] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>greencheek posted... </cite> <quote>you would recommend Cisco certs over comptia? or both?</quote> I was comparing Network+ and Cisco back in 2013 and decided to go with Cisco for a few reasons. Cisco incentivizes companies for having Cisco certified individuals on staff. I'm not sure of the exact requirements in that regard, but if a company has a certain number of Cisco certified individuals on staff at certain certification levels, the company gets discounts on Cisco equipment that they buy either for themselves or for their customers.The Network+ exam at the time had a lot of coverage about networking technologies that hadn't been used in 20 - 30 years. Cisco will teach you about that stuff lightly, but Cisco updates their exams every few years to keep up with new changes in technologies. I didn't want to learn much about IPX/SPX, ring networks, bus networks, Appletalk, etc. because it would be useless knowledge in this day and age. I believe the Network+ exam has been updated I was looking at it in 2013 so that may or may not still be the case, but I'm not sure.The Cisco exam track goes deeper into how networking works the further you go into it. There are also other perks of having different Cisco certs from different racks. For example, if you have a CCNA Enterprise and a CCNA Security, you actually get what's called "4011 Recognition" that Cisco gives you on behalf of the NSA, which I believe would help with getting networking jobs with the federal government. I have a CCNP Enterprise (formerly CCNP Routing and Switching) cert and a CCNA Security cert. I have that 4011 Recognition. If I were to get a CCNP Security cert, I would get 4013 Recognition, which is an even more advanced level. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 05/17/20 2:55:05 PM #60:	The_Bitcoin posted... whats the initial salary for a position like that? I've seen it range from $12/hour to $18/hour. The people I saw who made $12/hour didn't have much of a skillset and just did the basics of the job from day to day. The people making $18/hour had experience and advanced skills in VoIP and some networking knowledge. I was hired at $13/hour and moved up to $20/hour before getting promoted to network engineer at $50k/year salary. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:939300309] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>The_Bitcoin posted... </cite> <quote>whats the initial salary for a position like that?</quote> I've seen it range from $12/hour to $18/hour. The people I saw who made $12/hour didn't have much of a skillset and just did the basics of the job from day to day. The people making $18/hour had experience and advanced skills in VoIP and some networking knowledge. I was hired at $13/hour and moved up to $20/hour before getting promoted to network engineer at $50k/year salary. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rideshort 05/17/20 3:09:32 PM #61:	Yes. This will be extremely helpful to move up in the IT field. --- I believe in the Golden Rule and you should too! https://imgur.com/63HCN https://imgur.com/aaTUdOx <cite>rideshort posted [p:939300942] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>Yes. This will be extremely helpful to move up in the IT field. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 05/17/20 3:12:23 PM #62:	I've been saying this to people in PMs, but if anyone decides to take this stuff on and go for it, feel free to ask me questions at any point along the way and I'll do my best to answer as fast as I can. This stuff has seriously allowed my career to take off. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:939301073] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>I've been saying this to people in PMs, but if anyone decides to take this stuff on and go for it, feel free to ask me questions at any point along the way and I'll do my best to answer as fast as I can. This stuff has seriously allowed my career to take off. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 05/17/20 4:24:33 PM #63:	Bump --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:939304315] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>Bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 05/17/20 6:57:21 PM #64:	Bump --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:939310890] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>Bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Bitcoin 05/17/20 7:33:08 PM #65:	CableZL posted... Bump how did you decide to get into networking? is it mostly remote work? any coding required? Maths? <cite>The_Bitcoin posted [p:939312320] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>CableZL posted... </cite> <quote>Bump</quote> how did you decide to get into networking? is it mostly remote work? any coding required? Maths? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 05/17/20 7:36:24 PM #66:	The_Bitcoin posted... how did you decide to get into networking? is it mostly remote work? any coding required? Maths? I did tech support for about 5 and a half years. 4 years doing ISP support and 1.5 in desktop support. I started noticing after about 3 of so years that the calls that dealt with network problems were my favorite ones to deal with. I wouldn't say coding knowledge is required for most of it, but network automation is becoming more and more important. I don't know any programming languages, but learning python is one of my tasks at work at the moment. As far as math goes, you just need to understand powers of 2 since you'll be dealing with binary for subnetting and decimal to hex conversions with ipv4 and ipv6 --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:939312458] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>The_Bitcoin posted... </cite> <quote>how did you decide to get into networking? is it mostly remote work? any coding required? Maths?</quote>I did tech support for about 5 and a half years. 4 years doing ISP support and 1.5 in desktop support. I started noticing after about 3 of so years that the calls that dealt with network problems were my favorite ones to deal with. I wouldn't say coding knowledge is required for most of it, but network automation is becoming more and more important. I don't know any programming languages, but learning python is one of my tasks at work at the moment. As far as math goes, you just need to understand powers of 2 since you'll be dealing with binary for subnetting and decimal to hex conversions with ipv4 and ipv6 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Bitcoin 05/17/20 7:37:49 PM #67:	CableZL posted... I did tech support for about 5 and a half years. 4 years doing ISP support and 1.5 in desktop support. I started noticing after about 3 of so years that the calls that dealt with network problems were my favorite ones to deal with. I wouldn't say coding knowledge is required for most of it, but network automation is becoming more and more important. I don't know any programming languages, but learning python is one of my tasks at work at the moment. is there a lot of outsourcing in your field? Where do you actually work? Like, an office somewhere? Home? <cite>The_Bitcoin posted [p:939312527] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>CableZL posted... </cite> <quote>I did tech support for about 5 and a half years. 4 years doing ISP support and 1.5 in desktop support. I started noticing after about 3 of so years that the calls that dealt with network problems were my favorite ones to deal with. I wouldn't say coding knowledge is required for most of it, but network automation is becoming more and more important. I don't know any programming languages, but learning python is one of my tasks at work at the moment.</quote> is there a lot of outsourcing in your field? Where do you actually work? Like, an office somewhere? Home? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 05/17/20 7:40:35 PM #68:	The_Bitcoin posted... is there a lot of outsourcing in your field? Where do you actually work? Like, an office somewhere? Home? I wouldn't say that network engineering has a lot of outsourcing. Tech support y definitely does, but companies typically want people who work on their network infrastructure to be in house. I typically work in an office, but the company wants me to work from home because of this virus stuff. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:939312638] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>The_Bitcoin posted... </cite> <quote>is there a lot of outsourcing in your field? Where do you actually work? Like, an office somewhere? Home?</quote> I wouldn't say that network engineering has a lot of outsourcing. Tech support y definitely does, but companies typically want people who work on their network infrastructure to be in house. I typically work in an office, but the company wants me to work from home because of this virus stuff. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
obsolete 05/18/20 12:10:28 AM #69:	jj <cite>obsolete posted [p:939323821] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>jj </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Bitcoin 05/18/20 12:53:56 AM #70:	obsolete posted... jj jameson <cite>The_Bitcoin posted [p:939325241] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>obsolete posted... </cite> <quote>jj</quote> jameson </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 05/19/20 8:39:19 AM #71:	bump --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:939384320] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sajo 05/19/20 8:47:33 AM #72:	Sure ill take what you've got if you don't mind. --- Co-host of The RPGShow: A bi-weekly RPG review podcast. http://www.therpgshow.com <cite>Sajo posted [p:939384536] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>Sure ill take what you've got if you don't mind. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 05/19/20 8:52:09 AM #73:	im interested in learning,l but my issue is i lose my drive very easily. i'll read a few chapters in the official cert guide or watch a few hours of cbt nuggets videos and then just want to do nothing but play games for the next few weeks :/ by then ive forgotten what i even studied --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:939384672] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>im interested in learning,l but my issue is i lose my drive very easily. i'll read a few chapters in the official cert guide or watch a few hours of cbt nuggets videos and then just want to do nothing but play games for the next few weeks :/ by then ive forgotten what i even studied </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Bitcoin 05/19/20 9:17:42 AM #74:	can you really learn this stuff from a book though? dont you need some sort of practice environment or sandbox? <cite>The_Bitcoin posted [p:939385393] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>can you really learn this stuff from a book though? dont you need some sort of practice environment or sandbox? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 05/19/20 9:19:30 AM #75:	Rika_Furude posted... im interested in learning,l but my issue is i lose my drive very easily. i'll read a few chapters in the official cert guide or watch a few hours of cbt nuggets videos and then just want to do nothing but play games for the next few weeks :/ by then ive forgotten what i even studied I went through that phase for a long time, too. I got pissed off at my job for some reason and decided to get serious about it. The_Bitcoin posted... can you really learn this stuff from a book though? dont you need some sort of practice environment or sandbox? I have the install file for Cisco Packet Tracer so you can apply what you learn in a virtual environment. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:939385450] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted... </cite> <quote>im interested in learning,l but my issue is i lose my drive very easily. i'll read a few chapters in the official cert guide or watch a few hours of cbt nuggets videos and then just want to do nothing but play games for the next few weeks :/ by then ive forgotten what i even studied</quote> I went through that phase for a long time, too. I got pissed off at my job for some reason and decided to get serious about it. The_Bitcoin posted... </cite> <quote>can you really learn this stuff from a book though? dont you need some sort of practice environment or sandbox?</quote> I have the install file for Cisco Packet Tracer so you can apply what you learn in a virtual environment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Bitcoin 05/19/20 9:20:33 AM #76:	CableZL posted... I went through that phase for a long time, too. I got pissed off at my job for some reason and decided to get serious about it. I have the install file for Cisco Packet Tracer so you can apply what you learn in a virtual environment. wow! Howd you get that? <cite>The_Bitcoin posted [p:939385484] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>CableZL posted... </cite> <quote>I went through that phase for a long time, too. I got pissed off at my job for some reason and decided to get serious about it. I have the install file for Cisco Packet Tracer so you can apply what you learn in a virtual environment.</quote> wow! Howd you get that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 05/19/20 9:50:12 AM #77:	The_Bitcoin posted... wow! Howd you get that? Torrent --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:939386439] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>The_Bitcoin posted... </cite> <quote>wow! Howd you get that?</quote> Torrent </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 05/19/20 10:08:33 AM #78:	packet tracer is free now anyway, no need to torrent --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:939387061] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>packet tracer is free now anyway, no need to torrent </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Bitcoin 05/19/20 7:59:25 PM #79:	Rika_Furude posted... packet tracer is free now anyway, no need to torrent :O <cite>The_Bitcoin posted [p:939415506] in Anyone int... [t:78691204]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted... </cite> <quote>packet tracer is free now anyway, no need to torrent</quote> :O </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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