Current Events > Finn's entire character arc was over 15 minutes into TFA

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His entire character arc is deciding to join the rebels, which happens in the first 15 minutes. He has no character development in TLJ, Rose likes him but he doesn't like her back, so that's a waste of time (and depressing, why depict an unrequited love story with no real ending?). Then in ROS he's just kind of along for the ride - you could scrub him completely and it wouldn't affect the story. Such awful writing.

But he has a big secret to tell Rey!

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Yeah they were a cluster fuck in terms of plot and character development. I mean just in general they were a mess but moreso in those areas

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Did Rose get the BBC in the finale?

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He was a joke/comedy character after those 15 minutes.

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Force Awakens he changed from fleeing the empire to save himself to wanting to save someone else, AKA Rey.

The Last Jedi he changed from trying to just save himself and Rey to truly joining the Resistance and becoming a leader/hero.

ROS he did absolutely nothing

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Force Awakens he changed from fleeing the empire to save himself to wanting to save someone else, AKA Rey.

The Last Jedi he changed from trying to just save himself and Rey to truly joining the Resistance and becoming a leader/hero.

ROS he did absolutely nothing

^^^that.

In TROS JJ tried to add depth to his backstory by revisiting the he was taken as a child subplot and he failed to realize that he added nothing because it was a retread of exactly what they said in Ep 7. Either that or he felt it needed to be repeated because he thought fans were stupid or something. Either way, the Jannah subplot was so unnecessary.

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Who cares, the movies sucked

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Yeah, lots of potential but totally wasted in 8 and 9.

I like how people remember 7 somewhat fondly now, as "the good one" despite it being wholly mediocre itself.
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lilORANG posted...

Yeah, lots of potential but totally wasted in 8 and 9.

I like how people remember 7 somewhat fondly now, as "the good one" despite it being wholly mediocre itself.

7 is actually the worst, because it established this was just going to be a retread of the original with a new Luke, a new Vader, a new Emperor....it boxed in the future directors.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Force Awakens he changed from fleeing the empire to save himself to wanting to save someone else, AKA Rey.

The Last Jedi he changed from trying to just save himself and Rey to truly joining the Resistance and becoming a leader/hero.

ROS he did absolutely nothing

This.

He had an arc in TFA and TLJ, people just didn't pick it up because of personal issues, or they didn't pay attention but still care enough to pretend they have something useful to say. Their feelings just don't care about the facts.

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He was the most annoying character.

one day: "I just experienced something so traumatizing as the sight of innocent people being slaughtered like animals that it's shaken everything I know about the world and has made me want to run away."

next day: "lol i'm going to hit on you a lot and try to impress you because you're hot let's hook up"

seriously such shitty writing.

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Dumbasses at disney said he was force sensitive which would have explained why he used a lightsaber so easily yet why didnt they have him become a jedi?

Rey also pissed me off.

All of those characters were shitty, Kylo Ren was the only interesting one tbh. There were so many moments where I was just expecting something more engaging and remotely human and I was just ultimately really disappointed.

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Awesome posted...

Dumbasses at disney said he was force sensitive which would have explained why he used a lightsaber so easily yet why didnt they have him become a jedi?

Its because of Leia.

Leia was also force sensitive, and they even show her using the force in Empire, yet they didnt do anything with it in Jedi. The implication being that Luke teaches her after Jedi. So then they make it canon in TROS that that did in fact happen.

Now in TROS they reveal Finn is force sensitive just as they did with Leia in ROTJ despite teasing it two movies earlier just like Leia one movie earlier. Now the implication is that Rey teaches Finn after TROS.

Its literally another example of JJ copying the story of the OT.

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Sadly, this is not the only time characters just didn't have arcs in Star Wars.

Like could someone tell me what Leia's arc was?

Or Obi-Wan's?

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CyricZ posted...

Sadly, this is not the only time characters just didn't have arcs in Star Wars.

Like could someone tell me what Leia's arc was?

Or Obi-Wan's?

Okay stop right there. Obi wan? Are you shitting me?

He is the apprentice of a Jedi who doesnt share the normal ideals of the Jedi and decides to train Anakin against the suggestion of the Jedi. His master dies, and makes him vow to train this boy because hes the chosen one. He then trains the boy not out of love but because he was told to. Goes on to love the kid as his own brother. Falls in love with a woman and chooses the Jedi order over her. Then she gets murdered in front of him. He witnesses his apprentice making the same mistakes he and his master made (being so anti- jedi council is Qui gons thing) and tries to correct it. Only to be sent to kill an enemy at his former apprentices most challenging times, resulting in his apprentices fall to the dark side.

He failed his apprentice because he failed to foresee his downfall despite his apprentice being the ultimate amalgamation of himself and his master, and worst of all, because he couldnt be there for him when he needed it most. So what does he do? He vows to protect his former apprentices son and ultimately gives his life so that his apprentices son can restore balance (as he views it).

Apprentice > Master > Hermit > to Hero, is a hell of an arc. Along with:
Unwilling partner > Loving Brother

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Okay, maybe saying Obi-Wan had no arc at all is a little harsh.

But consider what little of a role he actually played in Anakin's fall, except maybe in absentia.

Their scenes together didn't amount to much throughout the entirety of the PT.

Almost no interaction in Ep. 1.

Ep. 2 had Coruscant, then they split up, then Geonosis at the end where the only meaningful interaction was the yelling match in the gunship.

Then in 3 they're fine together over Coruscant, then spend most of the movie apart until Mustafar.

Anakin's fall is a result of interactions with his mother, his wife, and Palps.

Obi-Wan is a passive observer for a lot of the major elements of the prequel trilogy or off doing his own thing.

Clone Wars expands on their relationship significantly, but y'know... only if you count that.

I guess that part just bugged me.

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Episode VIII
I thought Finn was going to die and was ready to make him my favorite character, but nope

CyricZ posted...

Anakin's fall is a result of interactions with his mother, his wife, and Palps.

you could argue instead that his fall was a result of the engineered division between him and obi-wan

they were together through all of the multi-year story gaps between each of the prequels. it's only when 'unforseen events' force them apart that his fall progresses

those events were deliberate

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Sackgurl posted...

you could argue instead that his fall was a result of the engineered division between him and obi-wan

Aka Palps

They fly now?

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Aka Palps

yes--but anytime they were not apart, he did not move toward the dark side

obi-wan was a desperate, dedicated teacher with no supplies and incomplete training. he viewed anakin's fall as his own personal failing and took it on himself to do better for his son, up to and including dying both to facilitate luke's escape and to continue teaching him

i hate the prequels because they were anakin's story and anakin's story sucked

but they were also obi-wan's story and obi-wan's story was fantastic

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CyricZ posted...

Sadly, this is not the only time characters just didn't have arcs in Star Wars.

Like could someone tell me what Leia's arc was?

Or Obi-Wan's?

At a minimum Leia's romantic arc had more development than anything Finn had in all the movies.

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GoHomeGoober posted...

7 is actually the worst, because it established this was just going to be a retread of the original with a new Luke, a new Vader, a new Emperor....it boxed in the future directors.

I agree with this, although I blame the studio and producers the most, how the hell did they not have an overall plot for the trilogy beforehand? Why did they exile Luke, and essentially nullify the entire original trilogy by bringing the galaxy exactly back to where it was in Episode 4?

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Sackgurl posted...

yes--but anytime they were not apart, he did not move toward the dark side

obi-wan was a desperate, dedicated teacher with no supplies and incomplete training. he viewed anakin's fall as his own personal failing and took it on himself to do better for his son, up to and including dying both to facilitate luke's escape and to continue teaching him

i hate the prequels because they were anakin's story and anakin's story sucked

but they were also obi-wan's story and obi-wan's story was fantastic

Vs Dooku

Sackgurl posted...

they were together through all of the multi-year story gaps between each of the prequels. it's only when 'unforseen events' force them apart that his fall progresses

That's my issue with Obi-Wan. He only fails Anakin in absentia.

Like I said, may not be a complete lack of arc, but his applicability to the greater conflict just seems so... I don't know... passive.

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When you look at the prequels, the story itself is pretty good, the problem is the writing itself buries the good shit away in garbage dialogue and melodrama. The Clone Wars TV show expands on it and adds so much more to the core story that it actually makes the overall story of Obi/Ani/Palpatine that much better. That and the comics and books.

So yeah the movies kinda suck and as a result it needs expanding on just to make the story meaningful. But tbf at this point, there is enough to make it all work out really well.

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