Current Events > Colleges like NYU, Notre Dame still plan to hold in-person fall classes

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https://www.marketplace.org/2020/05/20/covid-19-college-campuses-reopening-online-classes/

Notre Dame University just said it will be resuming in-person classes. Purdue University expects to go back to in-person instruction as well, and Brown University is considering it. Among the incentives to reopen is money. Closing down this last semester cost universities billions of dollars. Location is a big factor. Notre Dame for example, is located in Indiana, which is reopening. New York University, spread across parts of that hot spot known as Manhattan, plans to reopen, although New York City has not even reopened yet. NYU is talking about reducing density in student housing, and enforcing social distancing, as well as virus and antibody testing. Academic schedules will also see changes. Notre Dame, for example, will begin classes two weeks early, so students can be done with the first semester by Thanksgiving, and not have to leave and then return to campus. A key question in all of this: Will students, parents, professors and staff want to do this?

Yikes.

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Yeah thats why nyc wont improve anytime soon

What are we all supposed to do, sit at home and wait for a miracle cure that may never come? People that age are the lowest risk and this will get us started on building herd immunity.

GodIsImaginary posted...

What are we all supposed to do, sit at home and wait for a miracle cure that may never come? People that age are the lowest risk and this will get us started on building herd immunity.

Have classes online like California State University system is doing.

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As a college student, online classes are nowhere near as good as in-person. Mizzou is planning on reopening too.

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It's interesting how they think they can predict the second wave will be right after Thanksgiving.

Such a convenient virus to plan itself around our holidays.

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COVID-19 could totally change college as we know it.

There is definitely value to in-person classes and some in-person classes are necessary, but before COVID-19 there was a great imbalance of in-person classes offered to online classes offered in almost every college. Yet last semester every college had to and was able to move to an online format for every class. Which is a pretty big deal.

Imagine what would change if a majority of classes offered were online (or if there was a great increase in ability to complete an entire degree online) - campuses would become much smaller, many employees would be deemed unnecessary and would be fired, and most students would no longer have to live on or near campus.

There are some negatives to all of those, but I think the positives outweigh the negatives. Due to all those, tuition at every school would plummet.
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Online classes are like getting half an education. They're are a total joke and I would be pissed if I was going to a prestigious University and they were trying to sell me on another half year or more of online classes at the same price point.

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primary/secondary schools here are opening for 2020/2021 but college is still unknown.
Though it's a hoping they open.

Colleges are pretty different, thousands upon thousands could be there daily.

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Turtlemayor333 posted...

It's interesting how they think they can predict the second wave will be right after Thanksgiving.

Such a convenient virus to plan itself around our holidays.

Experts usually predict these future outbreaks based on travel patterns. Considering Thanksgiving is one of the most traveled holidays in America it's not hard to see why some experts are predicting a second wave then. This is also assuming that the virus will weaken in the summer and come back in the fall like other strains of the flu.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

Imagine what would change if a majority of classes offered were online (or if there was a great increase in ability to complete an entire degree online) - campuses would become much smaller, many employees would be deemed unnecessary and would be fired, and most students would no longer have to live on or near campus.

This has already happened in my area. Funding for public universities is going to be cut so the school system fired all the adjuncts or didn't renew their contracts for fall semester. It is gonna be large online class sizes like 100+ each class and less professors for fall 2020.

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SodomInsane posted...

This has already happened in my area. Funding for public universities is going to be cut so the school system fired all the adjuncts or didn't renew their contracts for fall semester. It is gonna be large online class sizes like 100+ each class and less professors for fall 2020.

I think it's justifiable to say that college funding is too bloated and should decrease, but probably not for the reasons they are doing it. IMO the model where you go to a faraway college for four years and pay a ton of extra costs to do so is a thing of the past and is no longer necessary.

What is the tuition at those schools? Without a doubt it's not justified to cut college funding without cutting tuition as well - not to mention the cost of textbooks, which is an outright scam.
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Count me in with the camp which feels that online classes are an incredibly shoddy substitute for traditional in-person studies.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

I think it's justifiable to say that college funding is too bloated and should decrease, but probably not for the reasons they are doing it. IMO the model where you go to a faraway college for four years and pay a ton of extra costs to do so is a thing of the past and is no longer necessary.

What is the tuition at those schools? Without a doubt it's not justified to cut college funding without cutting tuition as well - not to mention the cost of textbooks, which is an outright scam.

7k-10k a year they are public universities in my state. Not the expensive private ones like NYU and Notre Dame mentioned in OP.

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TheCodeisBosco posted...

Count me in with the camp which feels that online classes are an incredibly shoddy substitute for traditional in-person studies.

One thing to remember is that they weren't planned very well because they were a last-minute change.

Online platforms like Canvas were probably pretty bad too when they were first used, but now they are an important part of most classes.
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SodomInsane posted...

7k-10k a year they are public universities in my state. Not the expensive private ones like NYU and Notre Dame mentioned in OP.

There are definitely worse states but that still means students are spending $28k-$40k for a college education on tuition alone. Insane.
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Where I work at (Rutgers) theyre planning on opening too. Itll be a hybrid styled opening with online and in person classes

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SodomInsane posted...

Notre Dame University

Never heard of it

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Online classes are better in almost every way for me.

I learn a lot better finding the answers on my own versus learning through a professor that is so far removed from being a student and can't translate the information well to students.

I can also go to school full time and work full time because I'm not locked down on time slots.

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MacadamianNut3 posted...

Never heard of it

The Fighting Irish ring a bell?

As a college student.... I really want classes in person. If it's a whole semester online, my grades will plummet, and I'll be paying to ruin my academic career.

I support Mitch Daniels' efforts to

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Doe posted...

The Fighting Irish ring a bell?

das racis

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Doe posted...

The Fighting Irish ring a bell?

Lol I meant "Notre Dame University" being used instead of University of Notre Dame

Sig references Notre Dame since I went there for grad school

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I might have gone but they didnt accept me............. I had really good grades and recs but my extracurriculars were pretty bare I guess

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Pretty sure the flu is more deadly to people under 22 years old than COVID

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Pretty sure the flu is more deadly to people under 22 years old than COVID

It was never about the students, though. A lot of old faculty members, along with the family of students and younger faculty.

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Doe posted...

I might have gone but they didnt accept me............. I had really good grades and recs but my extracurriculars were pretty bare I guess

Well it is a hard school to get into so I wouldn't feel bad about it at all if I were you. I skipped all of that mumbo jumbo during the grad school application process since that is mainly about having a professor with funding at the school being aware of your existence and thinking that you would be a good fit for their lab and the kind of research they focus on

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College tuition is hard enough to justify as is, let alone if classes are 100% online. Its just not worth it, point blank. They need to lower costs if they want to keep admission numbers up.

Plus with all of the sporting events getting gutted most schools are going to suffer huge hits financially as is.

GodIsImaginary posted...

What are we all supposed to do, sit at home and wait for a miracle cure that may never come? People that age are the lowest risk and this will get us started on building herd immunity.

With that thinking, it'd be best to purposefully infect all children under 18 and quarantine them until the virus runs its course in them.

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s0nicfan posted...

Online classes are like getting half an education. They're are a total joke and I would be pissed if I was going to a prestigious University and they were trying to sell me on another half year or more of online classes at the same price point.

Absolutely. Prices for college were already highway robbery and a fucked up game of well the gov/private banks keeps giving loans so lets raise tuition, college keeps raising tuition so lets loan more money at predatory interest rates

$10k a year to do horseshit online homework and no real involvement with any professors or anyone who could further your career.

PiOverlord posted...

As a college student, online classes are nowhere near as good as in-person. Mizzou is planning on reopening too.

This isnt even debatable, in person are far better. Many of CE doesnt go to college so they wouldnt know this.

Damn_Underscore posted...

There are definitely worse states but that still means students are spending $28k-$40k for a college education on tuition alone. Insane.

Thats on the lower range of things. Graduated $35k in the hole and did pretty well. Its easy to get $100k in loans if going to med or law school or you really managed to fuck up your loan money.

It costs $7-$10k a year just to sign up and take 4-5 classes per semester. Student loans can be used on anything related so youre gonna have to factor in rent and other necessities for several years too. Working full time in school is a terrible idea, you are likely working a shit pay job, because you dont have a degree yet... and 40 hours a week is asking to fuck your grades up. Realistically if you dont have your parents paying for everything, youll be $35-$50k in debt at the end and work 10-15hrs per week for beer money.

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Eh, I'm in my third year of graduate school now. In classroom attendance is pretty unnecessary for me, I've been going through the song and dance for years now. But in undergrad I got a lot out of lectures.

I'm sort of fortunate in that I'm at a stage where taking classes should be a perfunctory task as I focus on my PhD though.

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Doe posted...

As a college student.... I really want classes in person. If it's a whole semester online, my grades will plummet, and I'll be paying to ruin my academic career.

My dude, I get it, it sucks, it's harder to remain engaged and feel motivated to get shit done. But if myself and all my colleagues in grad school can pull off As from online, you can do it as a new freshman. Trust me.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

One thing to remember is that they weren't planned very well because they were a last-minute change.

Online platforms like Canvas were probably pretty bad too when they were first used, but now they are an important part of most classes.

There's definitely something to be said for a syllabus designed for remote education over one that's hastily converted to zoom and an LMS of choice.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

Imagine what would change if a majority of classes offered were online (or if there was a great increase in ability to complete an entire degree online) - campuses would become much smaller, many employees would be deemed unnecessary and would be fired, and most students would no longer have to live on or near campus.

Also this is fucking nightmarish, no.

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Online college classes are a complete waste of money. You might as well just buy the textbooks and teach it to yourself at that point and save tens of thousands of dollars.

TheDurinator posted...

Online college classes are a complete waste of money. You might as well just buy the textbooks and teach it to yourself at that point and save tens of thousands of dollars.

Nah this is a silly post though, and ignores the fact that you don't, you know, get a degree from teaching yourself.

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