Current Events > Man who filmed Ahmaud Arbery's slaying, arrested on murder charges

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ClunkerSlim posted...

Think of it this way...

Youre in the store and someone yells, shoplifter, stop him! You stand in front of an isle and the guy running goes down another isle where hes shot by a lunatic with a gun. Are you a party to murder?

No and I have no idea why you thought this was a good post
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ClunkerSlim posted...

Yeah, but Bryans position is unique. Arguably he actually did have reason to believe Arbery committed a crime because thats what the McMichaels were screaming at him. He was acting in good faith from what he was told was a crime in progress. Its also highly debatable about how much Bryan was involved. You can say Bryan blocked Arbery in but he was pretty far back. I mean, maybe a jury will by into it. Maybe they wont. Its a risky case.

So as long as I *think* I hear somebody yelling a crime is in progress, I'm legally clear to block /chase another person and state "I was acting in good faith"?

Thought this guy was just a bystander who followed the 2 in the truck

Why would you even want to get involved if a crime is supposedly happening? So many things could go wrong because you wanted to play hero.

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was this guy just a bystander or was he a part of the trio? i haven't seen the vid. if he's a bystander wtf you expect him to do against 2 guys with guns. if he's part of the trio give him 2nd degree murder.

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ClunkerSlim posted...

botched citizens arrest

They had no legal right in Georgia to commit a citizens arrest anyway, so yes, the murder charge will stick to all of the parties involved.

Not to say this guy is, as its only speculation atm, but likely like he helped the other two corner Arbery.

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ChuckSDeuces posted...

These prosecutors need to stop overreaching. These guys need to do time but they're going to blow it like they always do.

This is something that makes no sense to me. According to certain people, it's likely that the McMichaels, if charged with murder, would not be found guilty, since it's only manslaughter, which is a lesser crime.

So... why doesn't that find them guilty? Is it really true that, in a court setting, where someone's charged with murder, the Judge can really go "Yeah, he's guilty of manslaughter, but you charged him with murder, and he didn't murder anyone, so everything's A-OK and they can go now"?

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Wow, for someone who keeps repeating the same shit, you're making a lot of mistakes.
Travis saw Arbery jogging away from the house and called the police. Shockingly, the jogger had left the area by the time the police arrived.
Oh, by the way, it may have technically qualified as "night", but it was about 8 pm. Not too late to be milling around.
Larry English has stated that he never showed the footage to the McMichaels.
George saw Arbery jogging, went inside to get his son and his gun (and apparently stopped to call up a friend to help him out. Weird that he never mentioned that to the police when they initially asked him what happened), and then they hunted him down.


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Caroniver posted...

This is something that makes no sense to me. According to certain people, it's likely that the McMichaels, if charged with murder, would not be found guilty, since it's only manslaughter, which is a lesser crime.

Ah yeah I remember that time I accidentally followed around a black guy in a car with 2 accidental accomplices accidentally doing the same accident and then we accidentally cornered him and accidentally shot him with a shotgun. Tragic totally not premeditated accident. I really should have been more careful.



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Odoylerules posted...

Fair;next

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i wouldnt take clunker seriously he called those psychos authority figures on another thread

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There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens.

ClunkerSlim posted...

I have no idea. But I think its enough reasonable doubt to make a jury hesitant to convict.

Are you basing this on some legal precedent? A case where somebody stated "Person A told me person B was committing a crime, I chased after him in good faith, I didn't know person A was lying" and was acquitted? Because as others have pointed out, saying "I didn't know my partner was going to shoot/shot the guard" has still resulted in felony murder convictions.

Ruvan22 posted...

Are you basing this on some legal precedent? A case where somebody stated "Person A told me person B was committing a crime, I chased after him in good faith, I didn't know person A was lying" and was acquitted? Because as others have pointed out, saying "I didn't know my partner was going to shoot/shot the guard" has still resulted in felony murder convictions.

true. just like a few weeks ago somewhere in the South, they executed a man who claimed he didn't know his partner was going to shoot some cops. he didn't even do any shooting. but he got executed for what his partner did. he was black btw. if this white guy gets away with the same thing, it will demonstrate racism in our laws

ClunkerSlim posted...

And under Georgia Law, Bryan had every right to stop a burglary suspect

Except he wasn't a burglary suspect, he was a trespassing suspect.

There was nothing to tie him to the string of robberies.

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ClunkerSlim posted...

Which is a case against the McMichaels, but Bryan didn't know that. He only knew what the McMichaels told him.

He was still a member of a lynch mob. I'm fine with him getting less time than the others but he was still actively involved in this.


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Kastrada posted...

He was still a member of a lynch mob. I'm fine with him getting less time than the others but he was still actively involved in this.

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ClunkerSlim posted...

No. You can't say that. We don't even know if Bryan knew the McMichaels were armed. Arguably he couldn't see Travis' shotgun when it was in the truck and it's doubtful he would have seen George's handgun as the truck went by his house. And remember that Officer Rash referred at least one neighbor to McMichaels. Who knows if the police referred others like Bryan to McMichaels as well. The entire neighborhood may have viewed McMichaels as a legitimate law enforcement connection. We don't know enough about Bryan's involvement yet to just say "he was part of a lynch mob."

Is it possible that the charging parties know something you don't?

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imagine thinking this guy shouldnt get life in prison


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So...prosecution not trying then? No way you can get him on murder. Seems like overcharging to then 'accidentally' lose the case and say 'we tried'.

Bad_Mojo posted...

So. . .what is the debate here? At the worst he stole and ran away with something, that doesn't mean you can just kill him. It's murder all around. So what am I missing?

Story goes he trespassed and there were recent burglaries. They thought it was him/had reason to believe it was him and tried a citizen's arrest. Even armed, it's not illegal.

Then him dying can be argued that he was aggressive because he grabbed the gun. I could easily see the argument for the shooter that it's self defense.


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Knowledge_King posted...

Story goes he trespassed and there were recent burglaries. They thought it was him/had reason to believe it was him and tried a citizen's arrest. Even armed, it's not illegal.

Then him dying can be argued that he was aggressive because he grabbed the gun. I could easily see the argument for the shooter that it's self defense.

Sure, if you believe their story that has been proven to be entirely made up.

Reality is they made up crimes that hadn't happened, saw a black man and decided to blame him for the made up crimes. They then hunted him down, while armed with guns, cornered him and murdered him.

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ClunkerSlim posted...

He ran past their little neighborhood blockade, twice.

He ran in a different direction so as to not have to get close to them. They repositioned their blockade twice to cut him off.

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ClunkerSlim posted...

That's not true. Can we please stop with the conspiracy theories?

since when the part about no crimes reported in over 2 months and nothing being stolen from that place a conspiracy ?

oh and did they say who gave them the footage now that we know it wasnt the owner of the house under construction?

a truck with armed men blocking his way and the guy recording was following him and he was on foot

he tried avoiding them twice and this time they pulled their guns how is that not cornered ?????

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ClunkerSlim posted...

@Funkydog What are they, time travelers now? You think they went back weeks before and invented 911 calls?

Yes. No crimes had happened, afterall. No reports from the police or the owner of the place supposedly being broken into.


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ClunkerSlim posted...

There was a police report filed like 4 weeks earlier, someone stole the handgun out of Travis' car. There were also something like eighty 911 calls made to report suspicious activity in the neighborhood. And at least one other neighbor interviewed by a journalist said her car was broken into, but she never filed a report with the police. I don't know why some people keep wanting to push the narrative that this neighborhood didn't have a problem.

So if all of this crime going on, why did they zero in on the black guy walking around a house under construction and not the other people constantly going in and out of there?

Why did they single that particular person out? Why did they chase him down in two vehicles armed with guns?

What made him so different than anyone else?

How did he tied into those robberies? Why have we not heard anything else about his connection to those robberies? Why have we not heard of him committing crimes in this neighborhood?

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Kastrada posted...

So if all of this crime going on, why did they zero in on the black guy walking around a house under construction and not the other people constantly going in and out of there?

Why did they single that particular person out? Why did they chase him down in two vehicles armed with guns?

What made him so different than anyone else?

How did he tied into those robberies? Why have we not heard anything else about his connection to those robberies? Why have we not heard of him committing crimes in this neighborhood?

Clunker will never answer any of those questions. Hell just talk in circles trying to hide the fact that he thinks Arbery deserved to be killed.


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Goddamn, clunker is still at it.

FlameTurtle posted...

Goddamn, clunker is still at it.

He's persistent I'll tell you that.

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

Clunker will never answer any of those questions. Hell just talk in circles trying to hide the fact that he thinks Arbery deserved to be killed.

Oh I know. I just love seeing the circling.

In another topic they said that Arbery had aggression to authority and that the defense would use that as a reason why he attacked and why he was gunned down.

When they were called out on that, they said authority doesn't have to be good thing because criminals with guns can be authority figures.

So the defense in a murder case would say their clients were authority figures and had to kill Arbery because he showed aggression to them.

It was quite hilarious.

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Kastrada posted...

Oh I know. I just love seeing the circling.

In another topic they said that Arbery had aggression to authority and that the defense would use that as a reason why he attacked and why he was gunned down.

When they were called out on that, they said authority doesn't have to be good thing because criminals with guns can be authority figures.

So the defense in a murder case would say their clients were authority figures and had to kill Arbery because he showed aggression to them.

It was quite hilarious.

didnt he came up with a weird conspiracy theory when it was revealed the owner of the house under construction never showed them security cam videos to the murderers and said nothing was stolen or damaged at the stie

cant remember which thread it was

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marc55 posted...

didnt he came up with a weird conspiracy theory when it was revealed the owner of the house under construction never showed them security cam videos to the murderers and said nothing was stolen or damaged at the stie

cant remember which thread it was

yeah he said Arbery was likely the person who broke into cars in the neighborhood but dont worry he also said he isnt racist and it was just a hunch


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FursonaNonGrata posted...

yeah he said Arbery was likely the person who broke into cars in the neighborhood but dont worry he also said he isnt racist and it was just a hunch

Don't forget his list of why Ahmaud got shot. Including the "his brother in jail", excuse

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Bishop9800 posted...

Don't forget his list of why Ahmaud got shot. Including the "his brother in jail", excuse

I think he had some detention in high school too

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ClunkerSlim posted...

Once again, that was a list of things the DA listed.

https://youtu.be/WLiwTZiq_pg


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ClunkerSlim posted...

Travis saw him go into the house at night and claims he gestured like he had a gun

Again, Travis saw Arbery walking out of the house. He also saw him put his hand in his goddamn pocket like a human being, and then assumed that meant he was armed.


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ClunkerSlim posted...

Once again, that was a list of things the DA listed.

One that you used to try and prove your point.

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the Slave Patrol changed names, but ex-cops like McMichaels miss the hunt too much to stay inactive. he attended Klan rallies, but the asshats want to give him the benefit of the doubt still.

nobody is shocked.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

he attended Klan rallies,

This is the first I've heard of this and can't find any sources. Do you have one?

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Is this like some RICO charge or something?

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