Current Events > US Physicians say lockdowns are a mass casualty incident for non-covid patients

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/gracemarieturner/2020/05/22/600-physicians-say-lockdowns-are-a-mass-casualty-incident/#600cacf850fa

More than 600 of the nations physicians sent a letter to President Trump this week calling the coronavirus shutdowns a mass casualty incident with exponentially growing negative health consequences to millions of non COVID patients. The downstream health effects...are being massively under-estimated and under-reported. This is an order of magnitude error," according to the letter initiated by Simone Gold, M.D., an emergency medicine specialist in Los Angeles. Suicide hotline phone calls have increased 600%, the letter said. Other silent casualties: 150,000 Americans per month who would have had new cancer detected through routine screening. From missed cancer diagnoses to untreated heart attacks and strokes to increased risks of suicides, We are alarmed at what appears to be a lack of consideration for the future health of our patients. Patients fearful of visiting hospitals and doctors offices are dying because COVID-phobia is keeping them from seeking care. One patient died at home of a heart attack rather than go to an emergency room. The number of severe heart attacks being treated in nine U.S hospitals surveyed dropped by nearly 40% since March. Cardiologists are worried a second wave of deaths indirectly caused by the virus is likely.

The physicians letter focuses on the impact on Americans physical and mental health. The millions of casualties of a continued shutdown will be hiding in plain sight, but they will be called alcoholism, homelessness, suicide, heart attack, stroke, or kidney failure. In youths it will be called financial instability, unemployment, despair, drug addiction, unplanned pregnancies, poverty, and abuse. It is impossible to overstate the short, medium, and long-term harm to peoples health with a continued shutdown, the letter says. Losing a job is one of lifes most stressful events, and the effect on a persons health is not lessened because it also has happened to 30 million [now 38 million] other people. Keeping schools and universities closed is incalculably detrimental for children, teenagers, and young adults for decades to come.

While all 50 states are relaxing lockdowns to some extent, some local officials are threatening to keep stay-at-home orders in place until August. Many schools and universities say they may remain closed for the remainder of 2020. Ending the lockdowns are not about Wall Street or disregard for peoples lives; it about saving lives, said Dr. Marilyn Singleton, a California anesthesiologist and one of the signers of the letter. We cannot let this disease change the U.S. from a free, energetic society to a society of broken souls dependent on government handouts. She blogs about the huge damage the virus reaction is doing to the fabric of society. Dr. Jane Orient, executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, also warns that restrictions are having a huge negative impact on non-COVID patients. Will patients come back? COVID-phobia is deathly real. Patients still are fearful about going to hospitals for heart attacks and even for broken bones and deep lacerations. Despite heroic efforts by physicians to deeply sanitize their offices, millions have cancelled appointments and are missing infusion therapies and even chemotherapy treatments. This deferred care is expected to lead to patients who are sicker when they do come in for care and more deaths from patients not receiving care for stroke, heart attacks, etc.

Holy shit I didn't know people have stopped receiving cancer treatment throughout this shutdown.

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Oh yeah, our census is at a all time low now. >__>

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they had to be really careful who they admit at the hospital. couldn't take a possible risk that a cancer patient could have corona etc.
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hospitals are still open tho. people just aren't going.

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thronedfire2 posted...

hospitals are still open tho. people just aren't going.

Exactly, they are blaming hospital lockdowns that don't even exist.

Maybe these hacks should be writing Trump to make sure hospitals are safe and getting funding.

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kingdrake2 posted...

they had to be really careful who they admit at the hospital. couldn't take a possible risk that a cancer patient could have corona etc.

It seems their issue is that people aren't going to the hospital in the first place for stuff like cancer screenings, heart attacks, etc. So they are probably dying at home from not getting their issues checked out. Or caught before whatever they have spreads/gets worse.

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SodomInsane posted...

a California anesthesiologist

Since when do you get a M.D. to be an anesthesiologist?

Edit: Confused it with an Nurse anesthetist.
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This is the type of bullshit nonsense that will result in a deadlier second wave of the virus.

Like back with the Spanish flu, nurses and doctors were making house visits to look after not only patients of that flu. These handful of quacks are just that when the global consensus from medical experts is, socal distancing works to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

Lots of studies have been done on pandemics in the past and near all of them agreed that way more lives can be saved if people adhere to the quarantines.

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I mean how many of those can be tied back to other severe problems with US standards of living though? To bring us back to one of the earlier summaries of this pandemic, this virus is showing all the cracks in the system and all the problems with how our country works.

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probably also a lot of people that have lost their health insurance the last couple months

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KINDERFELD posted...

This is the type of bullshit nonsense that will result in a deadlier second wave of the virus.

Like back with the Spanish flu, nurses and doctors were making house visits to look after not only patients of that flu. These handful of quacks are just that when the global consensus from medical experts is, socal distancing works to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

Lots of studies have been done on pandemics in the past and near all of them agreed that way more lives can be saved if people adhere to the quarantines.

I think they are worried about every other type of patient like cancer patients. I know we live in a coronavirus age and that is all the focus is right now but people can die from other illnesses and that seems to be what they are trying to prevent. Like Breast cancer screenings save a lot of lives and that isn't happening much anymore.

I didn't quote it but article mentioned elective surgeries were stopped all across the country for coronavirus.

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Eh, I was already homeless before this, if anything lifting the lockdowns would screw me over even more.

Right now I at least have a tent set up in a parking lot, but once they "demobilize" this campsite with the reopenings, I'll have nowhere to go at all.
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SodomInsane posted...

Holy s*** I didn't know people have stopped receiving cancer treatment throughout this shutdown.

So you lived under a rock for the last month or two.

SodomInsane posted...

The number of severe heart attacks being treated in nine U.S hospitals surveyed dropped by nearly 40% since March.

This also illustrates the illegal immigrants and crime.
Just because the reported rate is low, doesn't meant that illegal immigrants aren't committing crime. Especially if certain cities are declining to prosecute or even log those crimes.

We know severe heart attacks aren't magically 40% lower all of a sudden. It's that reported (known) cases are lower.

Turtlemayor333 posted...

Exactly, they are blaming hospital lockdowns that don't even exist.

Scaring people by telling them to stay indoors or else they're guaranteed to die (Hint: In reality, Coronavirus isn't a death sentence) is practically the same. Proof is all of those people who chose to listen to your "advice" and ended up dying as a result.

Scaring people by telling them to stay indoors or else they're guaranteed to die

who said this?

edit: oh, I didn't see who I was replying to

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HiddenRoar posted...

So you lived under a rock for the last month or two.

This also illustrates the illegal immigrants and crime.
Just because the reported rate is low, doesn't meant that illegal immigrants aren't committing crime. Especially if certain cities are declining to prosecute or even log those crimes.

We know severe heart attacks aren't magically 40% lower all of a sudden. It's that reported (known) cases are lower.

Scaring people by telling them to stay indoors or else they're guaranteed to die (Hint: In reality, Coronavirus isn't a death sentence) is practically the same. Proof is all of those people who chose to listen to your "advice" and ended up dying as a result.

What a weird thing to soapbox about in this topic.

Corona might be causing issues at Hospitals.

Its them illegal immigrants still causing crime!

Get the fuck out of here with that shit

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This isn't really a lock down problem to me, it's an information problem. Lock downs IMO are good, but the fear needs to stop and information needs to replace it. Stay at home doesn't mean stay inside 24/7. Educate people that doctors offices and hospitals are taking so many measures to protect their patients, you should be more afraid of your life threatening health problems than the virus itself when it comes to needing to get medical help. Replace some of the news stories with educating the viewers.
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Mass casualty incidents happen when hospitals can't handle the number of patients they're receiving. Isn't that kind of the opposite of what's happening here?
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Um

No shit?

I'm amazed that it's evidently just dawning in people that locking themselves in their houses and not going to the doctor even if you're is bad for you.

Like, I thought that was the whole controversy. What did you guys think it was?

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thronedfire2 posted...

who said this?

So why are you afraid to open the economy up, even gradually?
Why are you afraid of beaches and hiking trails reopening?
Why are you so afraid that you refuse take out at restaurants?

The core premise of your argument is basically "cause DeAtH!"

Why is every other country able to follow the lockdown rules but not America?

Look at Australia, my country. 7000 total cases, only 101 deaths, down to about 500 active cases. Population 25 million.

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HiddenRoar posted...

So why are you afraid to open the economy up, even gradually?
Why are you afraid of beaches and hiking trails reopening?
Why are you so afraid that you refuse take out at restaurants?

The core premise of your argument is basically "cause DeAtH!"

I'm not?
because people can't follow the rules
I've gotten takeout like 3 times this week?

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TreyFlowers posted...

Why is every other country able to follow the lockdown rules but not America?

America is founded on and steeped heavily in individuality, freedom, and liberties. Lockdowns violate all 3.

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jesus fucking christ I really got modded for that

fine

America can't handle the lockdown rules because a large portion of America is made up of complete imbeciles

Knowledge_King posted...

America is founded on and steeped heavily in individuality, freedom, and liberties. Lockdowns violate all 3.

And that's why we as a country are fucked!

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Suicide hotline phone calls have increased 600%



Today at the pharmacy I work at, one of the customers said that his son had killed himself over Covid-19 anxieties. According to the pharmacist, that same customer was in tears yesterday when he was in the drive-through.


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HiddenRoar posted...

In reality, Coronavirus isn't a death sentence

not all the time. elderly/immuno-compromised get the short end of the mortality stick. if they die it's usually ends up being them almost every single time except for some cases where a kid/adult dies.
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At least we're saving the olds and fats.

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He's waiting patiently for patients

He got very tired of waiting so he took a nap :(



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Dark_SilverX posted...

He's waiting patiently for patients

I bet he's wearing a bikini under there

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DevsBro posted...

I bet he's wearing a bikini under there

And looking very beautiful and gorgeous

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I still want to know where all this "Lock yourself in your home 24/7 or you'll die" fearmongering propaganda that every leftist is pushing is. Which news channels, politicians, and left-leaning doctors are selling this to the masses?

And I see like 100 people that don't give a single fuck for every 1 person treating this like the end times, either online or in real life. Everyone else is just living a little differently during a special time.

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