Current Events > Was the MCU the worst thing to happen to cinema?

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yes or no

usually when someone wants to post a stupid hot take they take the time to post their stupid reasoning

being that you didnt its pretty clear the answer is no
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oh no a couple movies out of hundreds produced every year, cinema is obliterated

Nah but they're still shitty

ThisGuyAreSick posted...

usually when someone wants to post a stupid hot take they take the time to post their stupid reasoning

being that you didnt its pretty clear the answer is no

It's not my take though.

thrashmetal14 posted...

Nah but they're still shitty

coh posted...

It's not my take though.

So why are you subjecting the rest of us to it?

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Yep the big money making marvel movies ruined all the shitty remakes and pg13 horror movies

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Pirating is the worst thing that's happened to cinema.

It's all but killed comedy movies.

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Can't think of anything that could be the "worst thing to happen to cinema". Marvel movies are great and have their place in entertainment.
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The Hays Code

For nearly 30 years in the US, you weren't allowed to curse, feature nudity, be too violent, or show interracial relationships in cinema. For two years in the 1930s, they banned horror movies just because they felt horror was too popular and was morally problematic.

At the time, cinema was not protected under freedom of speech and was highly regulated.

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BettyWhite posted...

Pirating is the worst thing that's happened to cinema.

It's all but killed comedy movies.

how does piracy target one genre
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No, it's the worst thing to happen to American culture

the only thing i dislike about the superhero trend is how it seemed to have killed adventure movies.. the big budget ones with treasure or mystical places or monsters etc.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

the only thing i dislike about the superhero trend is how it seemed to have killed adventure movies.. the big budget ones with treasure or mystical places or monsters etc.

Harry Potter, Twilight, and the ensuing onslaught of attempted YA novel adapations are more to blame for that.

no, it's the COVID-19 outbreak...so far.

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No.

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the MCU is more a symptom of big movies not wanting to "rock the boat" so everything needs to be pretty straightforward to meet what might be considered a "mainstream movie"

Every big movie now is kind of the same, and everything is a ****ing franchise, and that's the real problem.

While I consider Marvel movies checklist films, I don't think they're the worst thing to ever happen.

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Possibly.

FortuneCookie posted...

The Hays Code

For nearly 30 years in the US, you weren't allowed to curse, feature nudity, be too violent, or show interracial relationships in cinema. For two years in the 1930s, they banned horror movies just because they felt horror was too popular and was morally problematic.

At the time, cinema was not protected under freedom of speech and was highly regulated.

Bravo, and agreed.

I hated that period where literally everyone was trying to copy their cinematic universe schtick and failed miserably.

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FortuneCookie posted...

The Hays Code

For nearly 30 years in the US, you weren't allowed to curse, feature nudity, be too violent, or show interracial relationships in cinema. For two years in the 1930s, they banned horror movies just because they felt horror was too popular and was morally problematic.

At the time, cinema was not protected under freedom of speech and was highly regulated.

Don't forget it also banned things like same-sex relationships, unless it was only very heavily implied, and only if it was only a completely unredeemably evil character, or even including a man and a woman in bed together.

nope, dceu did it worse

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Of all the mcu movies I only enjoyed avengers 1, avengers 3 and winter soldier. And ragnarok was a fun joke movie, I enjoyed it.

I was obsessed with ironman 1 at the time. Would watch the suit scenes over and over. But over time I grew to dislike Tony starks character and now I don't like movie. And 2 and 3 were garbage anyway.

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@zithers

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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

how does piracy target one genre

@BettyWhite answer this I wanna know too

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The golden age of American movies pretty much came and went with the Hays Code, and much of the great cinema of the time came about specifically because of artists having to get creative to work around the Code's stupid restrictions. Its pretty much impossible for it to be the worst thing to ever happen to movies in retrospect, though it doesn't deserve any credit, either, because it was, you know, stupid, misguided censorship.

I'd say World War II, and the events leading up to it, is the worst thing to happen to cinema. Japan, France and Germany found their national cinemas devastated by censorship and control to degrees that make the Hays Code look like a liberal wonderland, right when they were at their creative peak. Germany was arguably the cinematic-art capitol of the world until the very moment Adolf Hitler took power, after which every major artist either got the Hell out, or stuck around and found their careers ruined, and the country wouldn't see another peak until the late 60s. And pre-war films from large swathes of the rest of the world are largely unknown simply because of how devastated their countries were by the war and its aftermath; film preservation isn't going to be a high priority after a quasi-apocalypse.

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It's funny how Iron Man was one of the biggest gambles in modern movie productions and now comic movies are safe bets. Seems like they did something right.
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best thing

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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

how does piracy target one genre

Because people used to go see everything in the theater, now they only go see movies that provide the "movie theater experience" like loud explosiony special effect MCU popcorn flicks.

Everything else they'll just wait until Netflix.
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TheGreatGeno6 posted...

@BettyWhite answer this I wanna know too

It affects all movies with the exception of blockbusters that are better viewed in a movie theater.

Comedy is just the only genre I care about that has essentially died in recent years. It was already a genre that didn't generate record profits as it was, and would rely on DVD and VHS sales after leaving theaters. Which is severely impacted by the modern pirate and stream culture. There's just no money to be made in comedy films unless it's an easily accessable Adam Sandler movie on Netflix.

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EffectAndCause posted...

Because people used to go see everything in the theater, now they only go see movies that provide the "movie theater experience" like loud explosiony special effect MCU popcorn flicks.

Everything else they'll just wait until Netflix.

Oh damn. Thanks for having my back bro. *knucks*

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Yeah I came in the topic to say "streaming"

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BettyWhite posted...

Pirating is the worst thing that's happened to cinema.

It's all but killed comedy movies.

Action movies actually had to tone down the violence to PG13 since Rated R films sells less tickets lately.

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Blue_Target posted...

Action movies actually had to tone down the violence to PG13 since Rated R films sells less tickets lately.

Like Thunder Gun 4: Maximum Cool.

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BettyWhite posted...

Like Thunder Gun 4: Maximum Cool.

Lol. I was thinking more of Robocop and the reboot.

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Blue_Target posted...

Lol. I was thinking more of Robocop and the reboot.

Very true.

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Yes. Let's shelf the super hero shit already and get into high fantasy hollywood

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pfh1001 posted...

Bravo, and agreed.

Thank you.

Proto_Spark posted...

Don't forget it also banned things like same-sex relationships, unless it was only very heavily implied, and only if it was only a completely unredeemably evil character, or even including a man and a woman in bed together.

True. They couldn't explicitly spell it out, but they had code gay and lesbian characters. Plato from Rebel Without a Cause, Mrs. Danvers from Rebecca, Joel Cairo from The Maltese Falcon, etc. Like you said, most of them were villains.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

The golden age of American movies pretty much came and went with the Hays Code, and much of the great cinema of the time came about specifically because of artists having to get creative to work around the Code's stupid restrictions. Its pretty much impossible for it to be the worst thing to ever happen to movies in retrospect, though it doesn't deserve any credit, either, because it was, you know, stupid, misguided censorship.

I'd say World War II, and the events leading up to it, is the worst thing to happen to cinema. Japan, France and Germany found their national cinemas devastated by censorship and control to degrees that make the Hays Code look like a liberal wonderland, right when they were at their creative peak. Germany was arguably the cinematic-art capitol of the world until the very moment Adolf Hitler took power, after which every major artist either got the Hell out, or stuck around and found their careers ruined, and the country wouldn't see another peak until the late 60s. And pre-war films from large swathes of the rest of the world are largely unknown simply because of how devastated their countries were by the war and its aftermath; film preservation isn't going to be a high priority after a quasi-apocalypse.

Okay, yes, Hitler is the worst thing to happen to anything.

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Amok did a good write-up. The 1937 Fox and 1965 MGM fires also destroyed various one-and-only prints of films that are, like, gone forever. The death of New Hollywood and creation of the high concept blockbuster in the late 70s/early 80s is pretty bad though. As good as Jaws and Star Wars are, they inspired a bunch of idiots and led to the dumbing down of movies for drooling audiences to the point where we have people protesting for a Zack Snyder special edition and people sob over Marvel crap. And movies are, on the whole, pretty bad now. Less are being made by top talent and studios throw their weight behind vision-less stooges who make movies that appeal to as many quadrants as possible. No thought put into any aspect of filmmaking and all the focus is on branding and marketing. Lol! RIP to our culture!

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Also the studio system Hollywood from 30s-50s is easily my fav era for movies so not sure I can agree on Hays Code being the worst.

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FortuneCookie posted...

Okay, yes, Hitler is the worst thing to happen to anything.

Well, not just Hitler, but imperial Japan too, and I can't imagine the Soviet Union did a lot of good for the preservation of the pre-war films of the countries they grabbed in the immediate aftermath. Though to be fair, Russian, Polish, Hungarian, Czech and Slovak, and Georgian cinema all experienced their own golden ages while in the grip of communism, both because of "profits don't matter; this is communism, go nuts!" state funding and in spite of "but make sure you don't criticize the government or communism or promote capitalism" state interference (or the occasional military action, and sometimes just seemingly random vicious ass-hattery).

World War I was also pretty bad, but cinema was still very young so there wasn't all *that* much to destabilize just yet, and if anything the catastrophe wound up being a bit of a needed kick-in-the-ass for creative voices and the industries that promoted them, at least in Germany (surprisingly, because of the whole, you know, economic devastation thing), France and the USA. Its easy to say all of this in retrospect; I'm sure nobody was having fun making movies during or immediately after WWI in Europe, but in retrospect it certainly wasn't as bad as during/immediately after WWII.

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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

usually when someone wants to post a stupid hot take they take the time to post their stupid reasoning

being that you didnt its pretty clear the answer is no

they cant antagonize people if they dont know their answer first

thats why they avoid posting their reasonings they wait for people to post theirs first

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No the worst thing to happen to cinema was armchair critics who only complain.

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Um nah. There's far, far worse out there.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

World War I was also pretty bad, but cinema was still very young so there wasn't all *that* much to destabilize just yet, and if anything the catastrophe wound up being a bit of a needed kick-in-the-ass for creative voices and the industries that promoted them, at least in Germany (surprisingly, because of the whole, you know, economic devastation thing), France and the USA. Its easy to say all of this in retrospect; I'm sure nobody was having fun making movies during or immediately after WWI in Europe, but in retrospect it certainly wasn't as bad as during/immediately after WWII.

WWI probably didn't actually have that big of an influence, because back in the early 1900s films weren't actually preserved outside of rare instances, and it was basically treated like a travelling show, where you'd go see it but when its run ended, so did the film. So a lot of those early films we don't have anymore because they just weren't actually preserved at the time.

The stuff they recorded the films on was really flammable, and apparently explosive if not stored properly, so it might have been a good idea time not to keep the old records around.