Current Events > Jimmy Fallon apologizes for Chris Rock impersonation in blackface on SNL.

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also the tropic thunder shit is way different

he played a character, a shitty one at at, that used blackface. not the same thing

thats like bitching about rob mchhelnery for doing blackface on sunny
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

when is lorne michaels going to apologize

it was his fucking idea

He would sign off on it but he may not have wrote it.

Besides, Lorne's tone-deafness to people of color is well documented.

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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

also the tropic thunder shit is way different

he played a character, a shitty one at at, that used blackface. not the same thing

thats like bitching about rob mchhelnery for doing blackface on sunny

More to the point they actually address that blackface is offensive in the movie itself and point out that it was stupid as fuck to get a white guy to play the part.

The whole thing is literally just a bunch of Trainwreck actors making a Trainwreck movie by making every bad decision possible.

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Yeah, anyone bitching about RDJ or Rob McElhenney either doesn't understand context or just saw a picture and went into social media outrage mode.


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At least Fallon was trying to do a Chris Rock. Note I have a lot issues with it so don't think I am saying he is cool.
But good lord Jimmy kimmel doing Karl Malone was just flat out racist. Karl Malone is country as well I think is like for AL or LA so he has an think accent. They times that by 20 and just made him stupid. And he can't stand Karl Malone.

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I find the idea that people think a white guy with black makeup acting like a specific black person is equal to racially offensive stereotypes to be much more racist than the act itself.

You are basically calling A Chris Rock Impression "the same thing as all the most offensive and ignorant exaggerated impressions of black people" which is pretty fucking insulting to Chris Rock.

This whole world would be a lot less dumb if we had a seperate word for blackface and "wearing skin darkening makeup to do an impression that meant 0 offense."

So I guess the idea is that we should never do impressions of celebrities from different races. We should after all, racially segregate as much as possible, because that's what MLK would've wanted, that's how we learn equality, by never ever ever letting people forget about their racial differences.

This is so dumb, but of course Jimmy would play into it.

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BlueMage279 posted...

CE: how dare he apologize for something racist he did! How dare he!

It wasn't actually racist.

Calling it racist is actually more racist than what he did.

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TheoryzC posted...

It became this thing that people become outraged over every once in awhile but nothing ever came of it. So it's best to ignore it
https://twitter.com/EricHaywood/status/1255978732516372480

Ah man someone in that thread said Tropic Thunder is on Hulu but its not :(

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joe40001 posted...

I find the idea that people think a white guy with black makeup acting like a specific black person is equal to racially offensive stereotypes to be much more racist than the act itself.

You are basically calling A Chris Rock Impression "the same thing as all the most offensive and ignorant exaggerated impressions of black people" which is pretty fucking insulting to Chris Rock.

This whole world would be a lot less dumb if we had a seperate word for blackface and "wearing skin darkening makeup to do an impression that meant 0 offense."

So I guess the idea is that we should never do impressions of celebrities from different races. We should after all, racially segregate as much as possible, because that's what MLK would've wanted, that's how we learn equality, by never ever ever letting people forget about their racial differences.

This is so dumb, but of course Jimmy would play into it.

I mean the whole bit's premise is for the white guy to look like a black guy and make jokes about black people. >_>

I don't equate it to the level of blackface from years ago nor do I find it as offensive as Kimmel's Karl Malone. But the concept is just a bit odd.

Other races can and should do impersonations of each other. It's just white people have to be a bit more careful about it just due to the history of black-face.

I mean no one is saying Fallon did a bad impersonation at all. In fact most people have praised it. So the whole "races shouldn't impersonate each other" counterpoint you are making is kinda moot.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eGRYr0_wBg

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Tropicalwood posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eGRYr0_wBg

I don't understand what Jimmy did wrong there .

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cjsdowg posted...

I don't understand what Jimmy did wrong there .

He said "a drag queen" and RuPaul corrected Jimmy saying he was the "Queen of Drag".

The joke being Ru is royalty and not some commoner.

But he did nothing offensive whatsoever.

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thanks i didn.t get it at all lol

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All of his woke points are alllllll gone

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Haven't right wingers been saying this for years? About "the left" being hypocrites for not "cancelling" fallon? And then he apologises years later and they go all "the left is eating itself!!" again

His career, dead, NOW!

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joe40001 posted...

I find the idea that people think a white guy with black makeup acting like a specific black person is equal to racially offensive stereotypes to be much more racist than the act itself.

You are basically calling A Chris Rock Impression "the same thing as all the most offensive and ignorant exaggerated impressions of black people" which is pretty fucking insulting to Chris Rock.

This whole world would be a lot less dumb if we had a seperate word for blackface and "wearing skin darkening makeup to do an impression that meant 0 offense."

So I guess the idea is that we should never do impressions of celebrities from different races. We should after all, racially segregate as much as possible, because that's what MLK would've wanted, that's how we learn equality, by never ever ever letting people forget about their racial differences.

This is so dumb, but of course Jimmy would play into it.

this is a post
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joe40001 posted...

It wasn't actually racist.

Calling it racist is actually more racist than what he did.

lmao this is another one
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So how does Chris Rock himself actually feel about the skit?

toyota posted...

So how does Chris Rock himself actually feel about the skit?

Probably doesn't give a shit lol

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toyota posted...

So how does Chris Rock himself actually feel about the skit?

Considering he got lambasted for that video of him laughing with Louis CK and Ricky Gervais using the n-word freely with him, I'm sure he'd not be too positive about it publicly. >_>

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Just watched the skit, literally not black face.

Black face are those stupid caricature ones where they paint the middle of their face black, leave neck/ears around the hairline etc. unpainted, paint on stupidly big lips and that sort of dumb shit. Kind of like the picture used to Pusha Ts Disstrack on Drake (Google image the story of adidon).

This is just a genuine impersonation.

Kastrada posted...

I mean the whole bit's premise is for the white guy to look like a black guy and make jokes about black people. >_>

I don't equate it to the level of blackface from years ago nor do I find it as offensive as Kimmel's Karl Malone. But the concept is just a bit odd.

Other races can and should do impersonations of each other. It's just white people have to be a bit more careful about it just due to the history of black-face.

I mean no one is saying Fallon did a bad impersonation at all. In fact most people have praised it. So the whole "races shouldn't impersonate each other" counterpoint you are making is kinda moot.

But him wearing the makeup was just part of the impression. Back then people thought it was fine to wear makeup as part of an impression (I honestly think it probably should be). Now that we act like it's a big deal to wear makeup as part of an impression then really all we are mad is that he wore makeup.

Is literally the act of darkening your skin racist? If not then it was the impression that was somehow racist, correct?

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I'm more worried about David Mitchell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkzox_t3Z-Q

That was 14 years ago so in 6 years he's fucking screwed.

I'd hope people would realise they were mocking the people who do it, like in Tropic Thunder and that just maybe laughing at someone in a burka isn't something you should do as well.

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For the love of a god , just don't paint you face brown that is not fucking hard.

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cjsdowg posted...

For the love of a god , just don't paint you face brown that is not fucking hard.

Why though?

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How historically it has been used. If you want to do an impression of black guy do with browning your face. That isn't so hard.

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cjsdowg posted...

How historically it has been used. If you want to do an impression of black guy do with browning your face. That isn't so hard.

But when it was used historically it wasn't just normal black makeup though, it involved racist stereotypes, that's the part that was offensive. So it's not the same thing as what was done historically.

Are you arguing that wearing makeup of a different skin color on it's own is racist?

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Not for me to say if this is enough or not enough or whatever, but seems like a model apology.

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Keith_Valentine posted...

Imagine being pissed at Jimmy Fallon, a submissive, cis white liberal who has bent over backwards to be diverse his entire career. This dude would have to let a person of color fuck his wife once a week to be any more progressive. When people go after someone like that, i know its not in good faith. Now its just a game.

Somehow I don't think it works like you get a bunch of accumulated good boy points that provide you immunity

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I absolutely guarantee you most of the people who brought attention to this in the first instance were right wingers trying to point to some supposed hypocrisy rather than 'sjws' trying to cancel him

pinky0926 posted...

Somehow I don't think it works like you get a bunch of accumulated good boy points that provide you immunity

Immunity from what? He impersonated a black man he admired, who wasnt offended. So what? Who was harmed?

Go cancel the Wayans brothers for White Chicks if you wana act like a pussy. No one wins, everyone loses.

joe40001 posted...

But him wearing the makeup was just part of the impression. Back then people thought it was fine to wear makeup as part of an impression (I honestly think it probably should be). Now that we act like it's a big deal to wear makeup as part of an impression then really all we are mad is that he wore makeup.

Is literally the act of darkening your skin racist? If not then it was the impression that was somehow racist, correct?

I mean he literally work make up to look like a black man for the purpose to act like a black man and make jokes about black people.

Don't get me wrong. It's a great impression. He can and should do it because normally Fallon sucks. But the optics of it is just weird. Do I think he was malicious? No. Racist? No. Inappropriate? To an extent yes. Because it's more than just the whole makeup thing.

It's not on the level of other stuff. It's not something he should be canceled for nor will he be canceled for. It's one of those "Hey that wasn't really cool of me to do. My bad" and that's the end of it kind of things.

Side Note: Tina Fey has written blackface and yellowface into her shows and those were hilarious. >_>

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Keith_Valentine posted...

Immunity from what? He impersonated a black man he admired, who wasnt offended. So what? Who was harmed?

Go cancel the Wayans brothers for White Chicks if you wana act like a pussy. No one wins, everyone loses.

I'm just saying your original point that people shouldn't take shots at him because of his track record doesn't hold up. If you do a wrong thing, you get called out. Simple as.

If you want to argue that no one should call him out because it wasn't harmful to begin with, that's a different story. To be honest I agree, but then I don't think I have much to add to the blackface discussion either way.

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Kastrada posted...

I mean he literally work make up to look like a black man for the purpose to act like a black man and make jokes about black people.

Don't get me wrong. It's a great impression. He can and should do it because normally Fallon sucks. But the optics of it is just weird. Do I think he was malicious? No. Racist? No. Inappropriate? To an extent yes. Because it's more than just the whole makeup thing.

It's not on the level of other stuff. It's not something he should be canceled for nor will he be canceled for. It's one of those "Hey that wasn't really cool of me to do. My bad" and that's the end of it kind of things.

Side Note: Tina Fey has written blackface and yellowface into her shows and those were hilarious. >_>

You and I have a similar response to it. But look at how he felt obligated to respond to it. The level of contrition and shame he felt he needed to do for something like this is ridiculous.

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joe40001 posted...

You and I have a similar response to it. But look at how he felt obligated to respond to it. The level of contrition and shame he felt he needed to do for something like this is ridiculous.

I wouldn't say he felt obligated to do it. Fallon very much comes across as person who if he thinks he upset a person, he would go out of his way to make things right because of who he is.

All of his former coworkers and employees and really everyone speak glowingly about the kind of person he is.

If someone like....Chappelle or anyone else who has made their career about not giving a fuck had that response I could see your point. But Fallon's apology is exactly how I would expect him to respond.

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pinky0926 posted...

Not for me to say if this is enough or not enough or whatever, but seems like a model apology.

Enough? So what if its not? You live in shame for the rest of your life?

This cancel/outrage culture bullshit needs to die

I feel like, you can't divorce something like this and legitimate blackface due to the long and ugly history concerning the latter.

obviously, Fallon's intentions weren't to insult or demean black people, but have some fun relating to a single person.

but the fact is that people are going to take offense to any non-black person painting themselves black, and their feelings are valid due to the history around blackface. you can't just repurpose something and hope that it will be seen differently.

I'm not into "cancel culture", though, and this was a while ago, and Fallon meant no malicious intent. so personally, I feel that this apology is a good thing, and hopefully Fallon will face no further backlash.

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can we for one second not act like if the ToU wasn't an absolute minefield when it comes to topics like this users like joe itt wouldn't be arguing in favor of blackface

lets be real
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Its good that Fallon apologizes but since weve decided to go down this route, why arent the writers and SNL being held accountable for coming up with the sketch?

Unless Jimmy was the one who pushed for it they should all be held accountable imo.

boxington posted...

I feel like, you can't divorce something like this and legitimate blackface due to the long and ugly history concerning the latter.

obviously, Fallon's intentions weren't to insult or demean black people, but have some fun relating to a single person.

but the fact is that people are going to take offense to any non-black person painting themselves black, and their feelings are valid due to the history around blackface. you can't just repurpose something and hope that it will be seen differently.

I'm not into "cancel culture", though, and this was a while ago, and Fallon meant no malicious intent. so personally, I feel that this apology is a good thing, and hopefully Fallon will face no further backlash.

^^^

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Kensaimage posted...

Enough? So what if its not? You live in shame for the rest of your life?

This cancel/outrage culture bullshit needs to die

You face some kind of consequence for the harm you did? If we're drawing extremes, what's the other side of this coin? Never face any kind of consequence for harmful actions?

Obviously there's nuance and drawing these extremes doesn't help move the conversation on at all. To me it seems like its enough to apologise and move on in this case, but that's just my view as someone who's never known what it's like.

And no - I don't think the Wayan Brothers in White Chicks is a good example of "what it's like", because if I have to fish around the annals of history to find a small handful of "whiteface" incidents then we're clearly missing the point.

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I demand seppuku. Honor demands it

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i thought blackface was just the stereotypical portrayal with the really dark facepaint and the huge red lips but googling is saying it's the makeup in general of a non-black person playing a black role.

does anybody here have a problem with the snl skit?

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Why is racism still a thing :(

It honestly floors me

Scorsese2002 posted...

I thought a couple of weeks ago there was a smattering of an uproar that went nowhere

Twitter activists will try again in a few months until it works

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I bet he broke character in the skit for some cheap laughs.
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I wouldn't have even dignified the outrage with a response unless i was forced to by advisors, or whatever celebrities have. I can't fucking stand gravediggers.

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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

lmao this is another one

Yes they are posts. Do you disagree? If so, use your words.

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"you're racist for saying I'M racist!"
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