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Garioshi 05/27/20 8:26:31 AM #1: |
Arguably better than Super Metroid in some aspects.
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AlisLandale 05/27/20 8:29:48 AM #2: |
I really want to go back in time and tell 14 year old Alis play this game!
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Garioshi 05/27/20 8:44:40 AM #3: |
AlisLandale posted...
SAXSA-X still gives me a tight sphincter even today. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alpha218 05/27/20 8:51:41 AM #4: |
Its a mixed bag. The linearity and the forced breaks for long dialogue definitely dont work in the games favor
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Garioshi 05/27/20 12:20:49 PM #5: |
Alpha218 posted...
Its a mixed bag. The linearity and the forced breaks for long dialogue definitely dont work in the games favorI mean, the dialogue isn't exactly terrible, you can mash through it super quickly. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EndOfDiscOne 05/27/20 12:21:42 PM #6: |
Both Metroid Fusion and Zero Mission are comfortably better than Super Metroid
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s0nicfan 05/27/20 12:22:11 PM #7: |
Alpha218 posted...
Its a mixed bag. The linearity and the forced breaks for long dialogue definitely dont work in the games favor This is more or less my opinion. Even the option to turn off Waypoint markers would have made the game better, but it is one of the best metroids even as is. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kaldrenthebold 05/27/20 12:23:52 PM #8: |
It's good and holds up but I dislike the narrative and how linear it is.
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Pus_N_Pecans 05/27/20 12:26:33 PM #9: |
I love Fusion for many things, but especially for how well it handles the horror elements. I much prefer it to Super for control reasons as well.
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Questionmarktarius 05/27/20 12:29:43 PM #10: |
Linear isn't inherently bad. Being railroaded down a one-way path is.
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s0nicfan 05/27/20 12:30:59 PM #11: |
Does Fusion have the most difficult secret to get in the series? From what I remember, the path you had to take to get to secret Adam dialogue was insanely difficult and required crazy precision.
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BatmanWTtP 05/27/20 12:31:23 PM #12: |
I played through it for the first time and Super Metroid back to back a few years ago. I think Fusion was better.
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DevsBro 05/27/20 12:32:43 PM #13: |
It's aged way better than Super, especially in the controls and polish departments.
That's not to say it's necessarily a better game, though. The things people like more about Super have nothing to do with aging. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DevsBro 05/27/20 12:33:37 PM #14: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Linear isn't inherently bad. Being railroaded down a one-way path is.Eh I disagree. There are loads of fun rail shooters. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Romulox28 05/27/20 12:34:36 PM #15: |
the parts where you had to run from the evil samus blew 12 year old GB's mind
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Turbam 05/27/20 12:35:12 PM #16: |
Imo, the only ones that aged poorly are the first two
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Questionmarktarius 05/27/20 12:35:52 PM #17: |
DevsBro posted...
There are loads of fun rail shooters.Those don't bother with the illusion of player agency. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 05/27/20 12:38:43 PM #18: |
s0nicfan posted...
Does Fusion have the most difficult secret to get in the series? From what I remember, the path you had to take to get to secret Adam dialogue was insanely difficult and required crazy precision.Yep. I'd like to consider myself pretty good at games and I've never done it legitimately. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Evening_Dragon 05/27/20 12:40:04 PM #19: |
I wish we got Fusion's aesthetic with literally any other Metroid map.
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TheOtherMike 05/27/20 12:41:34 PM #20: |
It holds up well in the sense that it's still as bad as when it released, I suppose.
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Zack_Attackv1 05/27/20 12:41:54 PM #21: |
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Alpha218 05/27/20 12:47:31 PM #22: |
I have done the shinespark secret
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Pancake 05/27/20 12:52:32 PM #24: |
Those don't bother with the illusion of player agency.
you mean how often it seemed like samus was forced off of the beaten path? like don't get me wrong, it was still linear, but damn did it make it feel like you had to find your own path at times. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/27/20 12:56:19 PM #25: |
Pancake posted...
like don't get me wrong, it was still linear, but damn did it make it feel like you had to find your own path at times.That's fine too. Blocking off the way back to where you were is the sin Fusion kept committing. Getting brickwalled by a boss means you just have to "git gud" and power through it, whereas the prior games didn't really care (most of the time) if you scrounged around for missed pickups in places you've already been. Other M even so far as to roll over and die into an unwinnable game-state if you went backwards at the wrong time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 05/27/20 12:59:34 PM #26: |
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I'm really due for another play through of this actually.Same. My previous "speedrun" attempt had me at about 2:30, I need to get that under 2:00. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DevsBro 05/27/20 12:59:56 PM #27: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Those don't bother with the illusion of player agency.More generally than just Metroid, though, there's really no such thing as being so linear that you can't still make it into a good game. Hyper Void is both one of thw moat linear and one of the best games I've ever played. It's kind of one of my pet peeves when people whine that this or that is too linear. Maybe it's not your cup of tea but it's a design decision like any other and it's kinda closed-minded to write off a lot of great games over. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DevsBro 05/27/20 1:01:00 PM #29: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Other M even so far as to roll over and die into an unwinnable game-state if you went backwards at the wrong time.Well that one was actually a glitch. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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warlock7735 05/27/20 1:02:31 PM #30: |
I really don't feel like Fusion improved over super in any meaningful way. The smaller screen makes the design more difficult and the movement feels so much weaker. Half of the fun in Super is learning the movement tech to sequence break.
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Garioshi 05/27/20 7:01:06 PM #31: |
warlock7735 posted...
I really don't feel like Fusion improved over super in any meaningful way. The smaller screen makes the design more difficult and the movement feels so much weaker. Half of the fun in Super is learning the movement tech to sequence break.Super is just so monumentally sluggish in comparison that it's hard to go back to. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/27/20 7:04:51 PM #32: |
DevsBro posted...
Well that one was actually a glitch....caused by the developers not even considering that someone would walk back to the last known savepoint after beating some boss. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alucard188 05/27/20 7:10:17 PM #33: |
I like Metroid Fusion, but it didn't like its structural layout and how linear it is compared to other games. Having a computer to talk to removes the sense of isolation and dread being a bounty hunter on an alien planet brings. Other than that, the game is mechanically sound, and the gameplay is great.
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DevsBro 05/27/20 8:29:52 PM #34: |
Alucard188 posted...
I like Metroid Fusion, but it didn't like its structural layout and how linear it is compared to other games. Having a computer to talk to removes the sense of isolation and dread being a bounty hunter on an alien planet brings. Other than that, the game is mechanically sound, and the gameplay is great.Yeah, it was a different feel for sure. If you were looking for Super Metroid 2, you weren't going to find it. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 05/28/20 11:56:11 AM #35: |
DevsBro posted...
Yeah, it was a different feel for sure. If you were looking for Super Metroid 2, you weren't going to find it.I find a lot of my favorite games suffer from being misunderstood by people who wanted something different despite the game never promising said different thing. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kirbymuncher 05/28/20 12:02:09 PM #36: |
DevsBro posted...
It's aged way better than Super, especially in the controls and polish departments.interesting, I've tried playing fusion twice and dropped it both times because I don't like its controls/physics and on the flipside I think super metroid has among the best physics in 2d games --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF ... Copied to Clipboard!
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QueenCarly 05/28/20 12:05:28 PM #37: |
Super Metroid's controls aren't as streamlined, but they give you so much more freedom.
Fusion is still a solid game that holds up fairly well, but it still really doesn't feel like a Metroid game at times. The SA-X encounters are really the only truly great moments in the game. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlisLandale 05/29/20 12:50:51 AM #38: |
The only thing Ive ever found wonky about SMs controls were wall jumps. And those are supposed to be somewhat cumbersome and technical. So fucking satisfying, for instance, when you manage to skip the Ice Beam by wall jumping up that shaft with all the floating fish things.
Fusions controls work perfectly fine for what it wants to be, which is a more stream-lined, action oriented title meant to be played in short bursts on your handheld. If were comparing game design, Im much more frustrated with the latters philosophy of hiding mandatory routes behind obscure graphics tricks and bomb puzzles. >__> --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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