Current Events > The moment #BlackLivesMattterUK pulled down the statue of merchant slave trader

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https://twitter.com/SamuelLiddell/status/1269628569677856770?s=20

They'll retcon this victory in the sequel trilogy. :v

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Why does it matter which country their from? That's countryist

That inanimate historical artifact symbolized something modern in the eyes of non-historians and therefore deserved our wrath.

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Why did he have a statue?

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Miletus posted...

That inanimate historical artifact symbolized something modern in the eyes of non-historians and therefore deserved our wrath.

what?

he was a slave trader...

I couldn't see the statue in the video but still good

That man never should have had a statue

I'm glad people are waking up to the fact that the UK played a role in American slavery. Many of the slaves were caught in Africa by British people who then sold them to Americans. But the British have largely always acted like they were better than us for not having slaves in Britain

Miletus posted...

That inanimate historical artifact symbolized something modern in the eyes of non-historians and therefore deserved our wrath.

Close your account.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Why did he have a statue?

he made money off of selling slaves and then donated that money to British schools and other things so he got honored. Back then the people didn't care where the money came from

TheVipaGTS posted...

Why did he have a statue?

He's a huge historical figure in England.

He built schools and hospitals and churches and donated immense amounts of money to the poor. He was historically seen as a hero and has a number of places/streets etc named after him.

But he got his wealth from selling slaves. So.... People be pissed.

It's the same thing you see about Colombus and George Washington
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Miletus posted...

That inanimate historical artifact symbolized something modern in the eyes of non-historians and therefore deserved our wrath.

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Odoylerules posted...

what?

he was a slave trader...

And an avid drinker of water.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Colston#Modern_reappraisal

Home Secretary Priti Patel called the toppling, "utterly disgraceful", saying that "it speaks to the acts of public disorder that have become a distraction from the cause people are protesting about".[30]

Boris Johnson trying his best to be a worse political and human creature than Donald Trump
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Miletus posted...

And an avid drinker of water.

holy crap. this is the stupidest edge, ever.

It's not an edge.
History is history, you can't change it. Ripping down an inanimate object which could symbolize anything is like banning the letter x from math. It doesn't matter.
It doesn't mean anything.
George Washington profited more from slaves than anyone since the ancient greeks. The ancient greeks captured and sold each other into slavery.
The pyramids in Egypt were built by slaves, why aren't those being ripped down?
Why aren't the protestors in D.C. ripping down the Washington monument?
Why is a State named after Washington?

Why do people pick and choose what to destroy rather than using unbiased, equal judgement?

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Zikten posted...

I'm glad people are waking up to the fact that the UK played a role in American slavery.

... you realise that slavery was more than just the US, right? that not all history is viewed through the scope of "how did this affect the US?"

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Miletus posted...

And an avid drinker of water.

Imagine being black and every day you have to walk past a statue of a man who sold your people into fucking slavery

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Miletus posted...

The pyramids in Egypt were built by slaves,

that was disproven 10 years ago

It was so beautiful.

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Neoconkers posted...

... you realise that slavery was more than just the US, right? that not all history is viewed through the scope of "how did this affect the US?"

I know. That's not how I meant it. I am simply saying that British people don't escape blame

I'm thinking about how it effected black people. Those slaves didnt care if the white men kidnapping them were British or American

Miletus posted...

Why do people pick and choose what to destroy rather than using unbiased, equal judgement?

are you dense enough to think black people had a choice in the name of those places or the people who were in power?

this is the lowest effort i've seen all day

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Doe posted...

Imagine being black and every day you have to walk past a statue of a man who sold your people into fucking slavery

Man you must hate the Washington monument, the entire state of Washington, The Lincoln Memorial and Mt Rushmore.
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Odoylerules posted...

are you dense enough to think black people had a choice in the name of those places or the people who were in power?

this is the lowest effort i've seen all day

The low effort here is on the part of yourself and others trying to discredit me by pointing to my account "karma". Don't kid yourself.
Also don't delude yourself with the claim that black people need or need not a say. What I said had no reflection on black people. India has black people. Africa has brown and white people. The northern part of Africa, for at least half a millennia, was Roman.
A small partition of the African continent, partially consisting people who local Kings deemed to be unfit for jails during a time of border wars, were even sold to ship traders, so using the word "black" as if "slavery" is a "black" struggle while many Africans were proud people who lived interesting, cultured lives marks your own confusion and lethargy over the history you so claim to be interested in.

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Miletus posted...

It's not an edge.
History is history, you can't change it. Ripping down an inanimate object which could symbolize anything is like banning the letter x from math. It doesn't matter.
It doesn't mean anything.
George Washington profited more from slaves than anyone since the ancient greeks. The ancient greeks captured and sold each other into slavery.
The pyramids in Egypt were built by slaves, why aren't those being ripped down?
Why aren't the protestors in D.C. ripping down the Washington monument?
Why is a State named after Washington?

Why do people pick and choose what to destroy rather than using unbiased, equal judgement?

Are you saying the statue was put up for no reason, because it didn't mean anything?

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No.

But I guess now wouldn't be a bad time to point out that if a person with leukemia passed out during a party and his friends thought it would be funny to draw a swastika on his neck, and that person walked down the street tomorrow, you'd call him a neo-nazi skinhead without a second thought.

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Miletus posted...

No.

But I guess now wouldn't be a bad time to point out that if a person with leukemia passed out during a party and his friends thought it would be funny to draw a swastika on his neck, and that person walked down the street tomorrow, you'd call him a skinhead without a second thought.

*loud wet fart noise*

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Miletus posted...

No.

But I guess now wouldn't be a bad time to point out that if a person with leukemia passed out during a party and his friends thought it would be funny to draw a swastika on his neck, and that person walked down the street tomorrow, you'd call him a skinhead without a second thought.

I guess this man passed out at a party and his friends bought slaves in his name without his knowledge.
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My point was symbols can mean anything and if you let the symbol mean bad things then "x you" sounds more hateful than "love you."
You can't let your own mind cloud your judgement. You don't know someone from history. You don't know if they would have championed black rights if they grew up in the luxury of modern times.
You just don't know. You can't know. It's impossible to know. Let the dead rest.

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https://youtu.be/BTSMkjCnLUE

Winston Churchill might be next

What is the positive meaning of a swastika that your friends drew on your forehead while you were drunk, exactly because it is a racist symbol?
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It's NOT concern trolling.
But if people rebuild the statue and put it back up, you shouldn't take it to mean they endorse racism no more than I take its knocking down to mean anti-racism.
Because *LOUD WET FART NOISE* as someone aptly pointed out, doesn't necessarily mean they're against racism or even that they disagree with what I said. loud wet fart noise could mean they're trying to contribute to the topic in a meaningful way.
Because it's an action and actions are symbols and symbols can mean anything.
If you want to tell someone what you think, you have to use language, not actions.

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*People tear down a statue due to them not liking racism*

*Not-concern trolling "human": I don't take them tearing down the statue as an anti-racist action*
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Like for example I personally hate all statues. I would gladly see that every single statue is ripped down on Earth.
So if I show up to a rally to rip down any statue. Let's say that Winston Churchill statue recently posted.
Does that mean I'm talking about human rights, racism, anti-racism? Fascism? Antifa?

Or does it mean that I just hate statues? Because I can tell you, 100% without a doubt, statues make me mad. So, obviously, if I attend one of those group outings where me and the lads rip down a statue, I'm definitely just there to rip down the statue and nothing else.

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Not-concern trolling "human": People who declare that they took down statue of a racist slave trader, because he was a racist slave trader, might have done so because they just hate all statues. YOU CAN'T DENY THE POSSIBILITY. *Wet fart noise as said "human" loudly shits their pants*
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All right. Well, I guess you've won.
Your farts have convinced me. Anyone who digs up the body of a slave trader and throws it into the ocean is just a human rights protestor and nothing else. Everything is about slavery. wet fart noise. I'm such a contributor. "human." "karma."

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Miletus posted...

My point was symbols can mean anything and if you let the symbol mean bad things then "x you" sounds more hateful than "love you."
You can't let your own mind cloud your judgement. You don't know someone from history. You don't know if they would have championed black rights if they grew up in the luxury of modern times.
You just don't know. You can't know. It's impossible to know. Let the dead rest.

That wasn't your point. You said the statue meant nothing. What you're saying here is different.

Also, the statue isn't a person. It's a statue.

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I never said the statue meant nothing. I said it could mean anything.
Just like white light contains all colors, that doesn't make white light red. It can mean anything.
Dead bodies aren't people. Wet fart noise. Throw them into the ocean. Wet fart noise.

If this still isn't clicking in your head then re-read the thread. If it's still not clicking, let it fester for a week or two. After that, if you've got nothing, you're hopeless. Regardless, I'm done here.

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Saying "it can mean anything" isn't signifying anything about what it means, though. You're not assigning it any meaning.

5 cookies say you're going to come back and continue to dig a hole.

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You said that people who are holding an anti-racist protest tear down a statue of a racist slave trader as part of their anti-racist protest can't be taken at face value as doing so as part of their ideology of anti-racism, because its possible they're just doing it because they hate all statues.

And now you're crying and (ironically) shitting your pants because people are claiming that your views have the same consistency as the noise a wet fart make.

Even though you should welcome such a comparison since by your own logic, it's possible that you don't actually mean any of the things you say in a cohesive argumentative fashion, and every word you write is actually just random air pressure from your wet farts pushing the keys on your keyboard down.
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What the fuck is happening in this topic
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Racists ITT shook that their boy got toppled

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Zikten posted...

https://youtu.be/BTSMkjCnLUE

Winston Churchill might be next

never happening. a statue might get vandalised here or there, but it'll just go back up. every couple of years or so there's an outrage about various Churchill quotes and actions, but they never amount to anything. he's untouchable in the public image because he's too entwined with britishness, no matter how many awful things it's noted he did and said.

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