Current Events > Minneapolis votes to disband police department

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Their commitment not like this is imminent

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hitokoriX posted...

Its like when you have a truly terrible piece of equipment. Sometimes you just have to get rid if it and get a new one. Our old policing model doesn't work, we need a system where cops truly serve and protect.

this isn't fixing the system, or choosing another, this is getting rid of it entirely. using your analogy, its like throwing away your hammer because the head's a bit crooked and then using your face to hammer nails in...

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Pay no attention to Broseph. Dude has some very skewered morality.

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jeffhardyb0yz posted...

The same records that said George Floyd was resisting? The same records and police reports that have been blatantly manipulated police reports for decades to avoid corruption? Yeah I'm sure that'll help

That's the thing, in most of these cases, the records condemn the cop. Chauvin had a massive record with frequent use of force accusations, deaths, and shootings he was involved in that show a pattern. These records don't hide their behavior, they're just ignored. Like Chauvin, the record made it clear none of the incidents were even investigated. Or like Tamir Rice's killer, who failed weapons handling training and was recommended for dismissal. The records do a good job of painting a picture, we just need people to look at them and actually respond.

glad to know the spirit of localist experimentation in governance continues in america

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hitokoriX posted...

Its like when you have a truly terrible piece of equipment. Sometimes you just have to get rid if it and get a new one. Our old policing model doesn't work, we need a system where cops truly serve and protect.

You can't just start talking sense! We're supposed to be whining about "looters", and "thugs", and "anarchy" or something!

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Reform can be major reform.

There have been separate definitions of "disband the police" by supporters(?) given in this topic:

TheGoldenEel posted...

Well no, because people are specifically asking for disbanding, as reforming has not been effective

TheVipaGTS posted...

No, Morons. It needs to be disbanded and rebuilt properly.

These are not consistent. If you "disband and then rebuild" something, you... reformed it. "Disband and then rebuild" is not the same thing as "disband"


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Get rid of racism, crime goes away. Disbanding the police departments is the first step towards eliminating racism.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

If you "disband and then rebuild" something, you... reformed it.

You think people are killed and cloned when they reform or something?

Disband and rebuild is meant either metaphorically more aggressive or actually more aggressive. Wait and see FFS.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

Get rid of racism, crime goes away. Disbanding the police departments is the first step towards eliminating racism.

So much wrong in so few words.

Also guys, there are county sheriffs and state police that are separate from the city police. I think.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

Reform can be major reform.

There have been separate definitions of "disband the police" by supporters(?) given in this topic:

These are not consistent. If you "disband and then rebuild" something, you... reformed it. "Disband and then rebuild" is not the same thing as "disband"

Thats just semantics though. People generally mean disband the existing group and start fresh. You can argue thats reform and not disbanding but youre still disbanding the existing group to begin with.

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Some of you are acting like police will be immediately disbanded without some kind of replacement system or transition period.

I mean correct me if I'm wrong.

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cradle the heel as you gently suckle upon the tip of the boot

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One single night of "the purge" and everyone who demanded this will immediately change their minds.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

If you read that headline and your first thought was "then what happens when someone breaks the law?", you're a moron...sorry. Its people like that who don't take time to think about things, create a false reality about what things like this means, and confuses other people. It holds back progress. They're the same people who got confused with "Black Lives Matter", turned it into "All Lives Matter" and attracted other morons, whom all helped get us into the current mess we're in...

Not necessarily. They could be genuinely wondering what the new system would look like and asking a valid question. Then imbeciles come along and hurt our cause by name-calling instead of answering them.

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From an op-ed written by a Minneapolis city council member:

Every member of the Minneapolis City Council has now expressed the need for dramatic structural change. I am one of many on the Council, including the Council President and the Chair of Public Safety, who are publicly supporting the call to disband our police department and start fresh with a community-oriented, non-violent public safety and outreach capacity. What I hear from most of my constituents is that they want to make sure we provide for public safety, and they have learned their whole lives to equate safety with police, but are now concluding that need not be the case.

We had already pushed for pilot programs to dispatch county mental health professionals to mental health calls, and fire department EMTs to opioid overdose calls, without police officers. We have similarly experimented with unarmed, community-oriented street teams on weekend nights downtown to focus on de-escalation. We could similarly turn traffic enforcement over to cameras and, potentially, our parking enforcement staff, rather than our police department.

Our city needs a public safety capacity that doesnt fear our residents. That doesnt need a gun at a community meeting. That considers itself part of our community. That doesnt resort quickly to pepper spray when people are understandably angry. That doesnt murder black people.

We can reimagine what public safety means, what skills we recruit for, and what tools we do and do not need. We can play a role in combating the systems of white supremacy in public safety that the death of black and brown lives has laid bare. We can invest in cultural competency and mental health training, de-escalation and conflict resolution. We can send a city response that that is appropriate to each situation and makes it better. We can resolve confusion over a $20 grocery transaction without drawing a weapon or pulling out handcuffs.

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Now build a wall around it and watch. George Carlin would of loved this, also drones with cameras so we can see it all.

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Conker posted...

Thats just semantics though. People generally mean disband the existing group and start fresh. You can argue thats reform and not disbanding but youre still disbanding the existing group to begin with.

There are people who generally want to abolish police though. That's the major issue here. It really only exists online because the average person does not want to get rid of the police, but it's actually worth discussing online.

Something like this is totally ambiguous, because it says "abolish the police" but the points only say "defund the police"

https://twitter.com/OP_Omom/status/1269735658743980037

"Defund the police" is still arguable because majorly reforming the police would probably cost a lot of money (although there are simple reforms that wouldn't cost anything, like holding police to a greater responsibility).


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RadiantAdolin posted...

Because they're capable of thinking.

TheVipaGTS posted...

they don't have the ability to think.

Oh god the irony.

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County sheriff will take over ( )

thrashmetal14 posted...

No people to investigate crimes/charge criminals = no crime

Great way for Minneapolis to reduce crime rates to 0.

"We've investigated nothing and found no evidence of wrongdoing."

Lmao. It's crazy that people actually unironically support this.

I would love for this to happen so that the ones who wanted can reap what they sow.

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Lmao a world without prisons or police. How could anyone be this fucking ignorant?

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CrimsonRage posted...

so the only choices are "let police brutality happen" or "complete anarchy" to you guys , huh

What are you talking about? They don't support defunding the police. Ask the alt left.

thrashmetal14 posted...

Police are the violent thugs committing all crimes

Can't tell if trolling.

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Will the next Robocop reboot be set in Old Minneapolis?

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this seems like it has a high danger of going wrong

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What should I do if I see someone break into a bank?

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Veggeta X posted...

Also guys, there are county sheriffs and state police that are separate from the city police. I think.

I see about as many constables (who work for the precinct) and sheriffs where I live as city police.

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Christian RULES posted...

What should I do if I see someone break into a bank?

The ultra callous response these days is "eh insurance will cover it"

So just let everything go to shit I guess

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Damn_Underscore posted...

LOL. I'd rather work hard to create an even better life than the government socialized one given to everyone, but there will be no incentive for that once the democrats have their way.

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Good, I hope it passes. Let them burn their own city down. Enjoy the Military and I dont mean National Guard. Enjoy their ZERO tolerance approach to upholding the law. Enjoy them not being held to regular courts but military courts. Forget the private military frat boys who get to do whatever they want and who the fuck knows who they have to answer to.

Congrats, no more self governing state police. Nah, let The big Cheeto Trump just send in his Guard and take control of the situation.

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_Squirtle_ posted...

The ultra callous response these days is "eh insurance will cover it"

So just let everything go to shit I guess

I can't imagine a lot of insurance companies will choose to continue to operate in a city without a proper police force. So hopefully whatever the city council is planning includes economic incentives to keep businesses around.

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Godnorgosh posted...

Not really. Let's say a router goes bad in a data center and you have to replace it. You've already tried cleaning and replacing the interface module. You've cleaned and replaced fiber cables. You've tried replacing line cards and slots. None of that worked. That's reform, in this analogy. You decide the whole basis for the equipment is bad and you order a replacement chassis, which means an entirely new set of slots, line cards, interface modules, cables, etc. Also, it's upgraded hardware with better resilience to the problems plaguing your current, outdated equipment. You're not reforming the existing hardware by cleaning or replacing bits and pieces, you're getting something new altogether.

This is not a good analogy. Real-life organizations involving people are much more dynamic than created machines.

Some really simple reforms that could be made that would do a lot to fix the system as it currently is:

a) New law that protects police whistleblowers and makes police who don't report police corruption susceptible to criminal negligence charges.

b) Mandatory body camera usage for all police officers, and huge repercussions for police officers who turn negligently turn off their body cameras.

c) More strict requirements to become a police officer (such as license), longer training, a different mentality in the Police Academy (clearly the current one needs a change), etc.

d) Demilitarize the police. This is vague, but certain equipment should be illegal for the police to use. if citizens can't have it, the police shouldn't have it either.

e) The federal government takes away funding for any state that doesn't apply these laws

Becoming a police officer and remaining a police officer should be difficult, and basically restricted to our society's best and bravest. If the pay has to reflect that then so be it.


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lol

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They're going to install a community led public safety system. Eugene, Austin, and Denver also have programs similar to this already. So it won't be anarchy like some of you think.

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Joeydollaz posted...

The plan is called UN Peace Keepers, that state is FULL of Somalia Refugees and other types

racist alert.
racist alert

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Hey guys defunding the police doesnt mean legalizing all crime

it means not having a gang of brutes untrained on the actual law out there forcefully arresting people

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Damn_Underscore posted...

b) Mandatory body camera usage for all police officers, and huge repercussions for police officers who turn negligently turn off their body cameras.

Does nothing to decrease police killings. If anything it has actually helped the cops more than the people they're arresting.

Damn_Underscore posted...

c) More strict requirements to become a police officer (such as license), longer training, a different mentality in the Police Academy (clearly the current one needs a change), etc.

Then nobody would do it.

Damn_Underscore posted...

d) Demilitarize the police. This is vague, but certain equipment should be illegal for the police to use. if citizens can't have it, the police shouldn't have it either.

This is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. None of the heavy equipment has anything to do with most of the killings or harassment done by certain cops, or are even used in the vast majority of arrests. It's the same logic that people want to ban AR-15s to stop mass shootings even though they are rarely used and are not even automatic, they're just big scary looking guns that make people scared.

Damn_Underscore posted...

Becoming a police officer and remaining a police officer should be difficult, and basically restricted to our society's best and bravest. If the pay has to reflect that then so be it.

Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, and many other cities struggling with crime are doing so because they just don't have enough bodies on the force. Reducing them will cost them control on crime, not improve it.

Joeydollaz posted...
lol
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yeah good luck with that minneapolis lmao

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Ryan__Leaf posted...

LOL. I'd rather work hard to create an even better life than the government socialized one given to everyone, but there will be no incentive for that once the democrats have their way.

That reads like something made for mothers. I mean the picture

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Dark_twisted posted...

They're going to install a community led public safety system. Eugene, Austin, and Denver also have programs similar to this already. So it won't be anarchy like some of you think.

Austin, Denver, and Eugene have police departments:
http://www.austintexas.gov/department/police
https://www.denvergov.org/content/denvergov/en/police-department.html
https://www.eugene-or.gov/162/Police

Austin and Denver also have a fairly high per-capita police force
https://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/law-enforcement-police-department-employee-totals-for-cities.html

So I'm not sure what relevance they have to a city disbanding their police force and replacing it with community programs rather than augmenting them with community programs.

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