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Billy__Beane 06/11/20 12:36:03 PM #1:	Fuck them. <cite>Billy__Beane posted [p:940500469] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>Fuck them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaxEffingBemis 06/11/20 12:37:07 PM #2:	Lee sure but Davis? I never see or hear anyone talk about him and I live in the south Edit: may be a regional thing --- She took pity on me, horizontally, but most likely because of my band <cite>MaxEffingBemis posted [p:940500521] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>Lee sure but Davis? I never see or hear anyone talk about him and I live in the south Edit: may be a regional thing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deupd_u 06/11/20 12:38:09 PM #3:	MaxEffingBemis posted... Lee sure but Davis? I never see or hear anyone talk about him and I live in the south Edit: may be a regional thing They let him do improve one Whose Line. Disgusting! --- Snipers don't shoot at paper, they shoot watermelons. https://imgur.com/jo511lG <cite>deupd_u posted [p:940500573] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>MaxEffingBemis posted... </cite> <quote>Lee sure but Davis? I never see or hear anyone talk about him and I live in the south Edit: may be a regional thing</quote>They let him do improve one Whose Line. Disgusting! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bananana 06/11/20 12:38:36 PM #4:	its a mix of racism and stupidity and, often, both --- http://error1355.com/ce/Bananana.html <cite>Bananana posted [p:940500595] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>its a mix of racism and stupidity and, often, both </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 06/11/20 12:42:05 PM #5:	Because Lee was a brilliant general? You can still respect certain aspects of someone even though you disagree with their beliefs. Like Hitler...a complete shit human being that hopefully rots in the lowest pits of Hell, but an absolutely brilliant politician. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:940500755] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>Because Lee was a brilliant general? You can still respect certain aspects of someone even though you disagree with their beliefs. Like Hitler...a complete shit human being that hopefully rots in the lowest pits of Hell, but an absolutely brilliant politician. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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treewojima 06/11/20 12:45:12 PM #7:	You can thank the United Daughters of the Confederacy for all the revisionist hero worship <cite>treewojima posted [p:940500905] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>You can thank the United Daughters of the Confederacy for all the revisionist hero worship</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Billy__Beane 06/11/20 1:16:47 PM #8:	scorpion41 posted... Because Lee was a brilliant general? You can still respect certain aspects of someone even though you disagree with their beliefs. Like Hitler...a complete shit human being that hopefully rots in the lowest pits of Hell, but an absolutely brilliant politician. Wow I can't believe you respect Hitler. Tagged. Please leave my topic. <cite>Billy__Beane posted [p:940502416] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>scorpion41 posted... </cite> <quote>Because Lee was a brilliant general? You can still respect certain aspects of someone even though you disagree with their beliefs. Like Hitler...a complete shit human being that hopefully rots in the lowest pits of Hell, but an absolutely brilliant politician.</quote> Wow I can't believe you respect Hitler. Tagged. Please leave my topic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 06/11/20 1:20:08 PM #9:	scorpion41 posted... Because Lee was a brilliant general? You can still respect certain aspects of someone even though you disagree with their beliefs. Like Hitler...a complete shit human being that hopefully rots in the lowest pits of Hell, but an absolutely brilliant politician. So we should have Hitler statues and name towns and roads after him? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:940502584] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>scorpion41 posted... </cite> <quote>Because Lee was a brilliant general? You can still respect certain aspects of someone even though you disagree with their beliefs. Like Hitler...a complete shit human being that hopefully rots in the lowest pits of Hell, but an absolutely brilliant politician.</quote>So we should have Hitler statues and name towns and roads after him? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MARKINGRAM22 06/11/20 1:21:32 PM #10:	Most people that complain about E Lee don't know anything about him. <cite>MARKINGRAM22 posted [p:940502643] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>Most people that complain about E Lee don't know anything about him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 06/11/20 1:22:58 PM #11:	MARKINGRAM22 posted... Most people that complain about E Lee don't know anything about him. Yea yea "he was only a traitor because he was protecting his family" blah blah, we've heard it all. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:940502714] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>MARKINGRAM22 posted... </cite> <quote>Most people that complain about E Lee don't know anything about him.</quote>Yea yea "he was only a traitor because he was protecting his family" blah blah, we've heard it all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 06/11/20 1:26:58 PM #12:	MARKINGRAM22 posted... Most people that complain about E Lee don't know anything about him. Sometimes certain actions forever stain your life's legacy. Like being the top general of a rogue state that broke away because rich dudes wanted to enslave black people. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:940502875] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>MARKINGRAM22 posted... </cite> <quote>Most people that complain about E Lee don't know anything about him.</quote>Sometimes certain actions forever stain your life's legacy. Like being the top general of a rogue state that broke away because rich dudes wanted to enslave black people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BigSLM1993 06/11/20 1:27:22 PM #13:	hockeybub89 posted... So we should have Hitler statues and name towns and roads after him? <cite>BigSLM1993 posted [p:940502890] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>So we should have Hitler statues and name towns and roads after him?</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 1:36:08 PM #14:	It needs to stop. I would be totally fine with it becoming illegal to celebrate the Confederacy just like it is illegal to celebrate nazis in modern Germany <cite>Zikten posted [p:940503294] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>It needs to stop. I would be totally fine with it becoming illegal to celebrate the Confederacy just like it is illegal to celebrate nazis in modern Germany</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 06/11/20 1:37:08 PM #15:	scorpion41 posted... but an absolutely brilliant politician. What specifically would you point to as him being brilliant as a politician? --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:940503350] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>scorpion41 posted... </cite> <quote>but an absolutely brilliant politician.</quote> What specifically would you point to as him being brilliant as a politician? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 06/11/20 1:37:20 PM #16:	ImAMarvel posted... It's crazy that the Confederacy to me is so celebrated. Like, they were actually traitors. They actually committed treason man wtf. That's literally the most unAmerican thing you could do. lol You dont know why southern states would still celebrate soldiers who fought to defend their state and families? They were traitors to the Union. They were not traitors to the states they called home. If the federal government tried to conscript you to literally kill people in your own neighborhood and you said nope, Id rather go to prison or fight you instead, I seriously doubt you would consider yourself a traitor, even though you technically would be. Attack the celebrations and memorials from the slavery position. Thats the one that is reasonable. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:940503360] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>ImAMarvel posted... </cite> <quote>It's crazy that the Confederacy to me is so celebrated. Like, they were actually traitors. They actually committed treason man wtf. That's literally the most unAmerican thing you could do. lol</quote> You dont know why southern states would still celebrate soldiers who fought to defend their state and families? They were traitors to the Union. They were not traitors to the states they called home. If the federal government tried to conscript you to literally kill people in your own neighborhood and you said nope, Id rather go to prison or fight you instead, I seriously doubt you would consider yourself a traitor, even though you technically would be. Attack the celebrations and memorials from the slavery position. Thats the one that is reasonable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 1:39:06 PM #17:	Anteaterking posted... What specifically would you point to as him being brilliant as a politician? he rose to power because he knew how to manipulate the masses. He used that skill for evil but it is well known he was a master public speaker. He found a perfect excuse for all of germanys problems. And then he told the people only he could save them <cite>Zikten posted [p:940503456] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote> What specifically would you point to as him being brilliant as a politician? </quote> he rose to power because he knew how to manipulate the masses. He used that skill for evil but it is well known he was a master public speaker. He found a perfect excuse for all of germanys problems. And then he told the people only he could save them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerKhan420 06/11/20 1:41:13 PM #18:	scorpion41 posted... Because Lee was a brilliant general? You can still respect certain aspects of someone even though you disagree with their beliefs. Like Hitler...a complete shit human being that hopefully rots in the lowest pits of Hell, but an absolutely brilliant politician. You know, the more I hear about this Hitler character the more I don't care for him. --- "I know how the business works because I'm a wrestling fan"-hulkhogan1 <cite>KillerKhan420 posted [p:940503541] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>scorpion41 posted... </cite> <quote>Because Lee was a brilliant general? You can still respect certain aspects of someone even though you disagree with their beliefs. Like Hitler...a complete shit human being that hopefully rots in the lowest pits of Hell, but an absolutely brilliant politician.</quote> You know, the more I hear about this Hitler character the more I don't care for him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GodIsImaginary 06/11/20 1:42:44 PM #19:	Don't forget Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America He looks like an incel. <cite>GodIsImaginary posted [p:940503614] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>Don't forget Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America He looks like an incel. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 06/11/20 1:47:03 PM #20:	hockeybub89 posted... Sometimes certain actions forever stain your life's legacy. Like being the top general of a rogue state that broke away because rich dudes wanted to enslave black people. Worth remembering that Robert E. Lee was himself a rich dude who enslaved black people. Also he had a notable predilection for attacking and looting freedmen towns on his campaigns north. Lorenzo_2003 posted... You dont know why southern states would still celebrate soldiers who fought to defend their state and families? They were traitors to the Union. They were not traitors to the states they called home. If the federal government tried to conscript you to literally kill people in your own neighborhood and you said nope, Id rather go to prison or fight you instead, I seriously doubt you would consider yourself a traitor, even though you technically would be. Attack the celebrations and memorials from the slavery position. Thats the one that is reasonable. A war that brought them death and ruin and (would have) benefited only the white aristocracy. It was a gross tragedy, yet only its architects ever seem to be honored. You do not see much commemoration of southern efforts to resist secession or the Confederacy, for example. <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:940503800] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Sometimes certain actions forever stain your life's legacy. Like being the top general of a rogue state that broke away because rich dudes wanted to enslave black people.</quote>Worth remembering that Robert E. Lee was himself a rich dude who enslaved black people. Also he had a notable predilection for attacking and looting freedmen towns on his campaigns north. Lorenzo_2003 posted... </cite> <quote>You dont know why southern states would still celebrate soldiers who fought to defend their state and families? They were traitors to the Union. They were not traitors to the states they called home. If the federal government tried to conscript you to literally kill people in your own neighborhood and you said nope, Id rather go to prison or fight you instead, I seriously doubt you would consider yourself a traitor, even though you technically would be. Attack the celebrations and memorials from the slavery position. Thats the one that is reasonable.</quote>A war that brought them death and ruin and (would have) benefited only the white aristocracy. It was a gross tragedy, yet only its architects ever seem to be honored. You do not see much commemoration of southern efforts to resist secession or the Confederacy, for example. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 06/11/20 1:52:51 PM #21:	Zikten posted... he rose to power because he knew how to manipulate the masses. He used that skill for evil but it is well known he was a master public speaker. He found a perfect excuse for all of germanys problems. And then he told the people only he could save them Hitler wouldn't have had success "using his power for good". He needed to take advantage of anti-semitism in order to actually achieve power. The idea that it's "smart" to use racial tensions is silly. It's not that other people don't do it because they're too dumb to figure it out. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:940504081] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote><quote>Zikten posted... </cite>he rose to power because he knew how to manipulate the masses. He used that skill for evil but it is well known he was a master public speaker. He found a perfect excuse for all of germanys problems. And then he told the people only he could save them</quote> Hitler wouldn't have had success "using his power for good". He needed to take advantage of anti-semitism in order to actually achieve power. The idea that it's "smart" to use racial tensions is silly. It's not that other people don't do it because they're too dumb to figure it out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 06/11/20 1:56:58 PM #22:	ElatedVenusaur posted... You do not see much commemoration of southern efforts to resist secession or the Confederacy, for example. That is an interesting point and now Im curious about those common folk Southerners who basically thought or better yet said fuck, no, lets not go to war. War sucks. Just do the right thing and free the slaves, please. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:940504286] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>ElatedVenusaur posted... </cite> <quote>You do not see much commemoration of southern efforts to resist secession or the Confederacy, for example.</quote> That is an interesting point and now Im curious about those common folk Southerners who basically thought or better yet said fuck, no, lets not go to war. War sucks. Just do the right thing and free the slaves, please. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 2:15:32 PM #23:	I kinda think that Hitler could have been a different kind of politician. if in a different timeline and if he was a different person, he could have been a great man. people HAVE risen to power through good causes. I don't believe that using Jews was his only option. it's just the one he took cause he was evil. he DID have a very proven ability to speak to the masses. Imagine if Abraham Lincoln had wanted to blame all our problems on black people instead of doing what he did. that's basically Hitler. <cite>Zikten posted [p:940505190] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>I kinda think that Hitler could have been a different kind of politician. if in a different timeline and if he was a different person, he could have been a great man. people HAVE risen to power through good causes. I don't believe that using Jews was his only option. it's just the one he took cause he was evil. he DID have a very proven ability to speak to the masses. Imagine if Abraham Lincoln had wanted to blame all our problems on black people instead of doing what he did. that's basically Hitler.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 06/11/20 2:16:29 PM #24:	I don't give a crap about Robert E. Lee --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:940505233] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>I don't give a crap about Robert E. Lee </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 06/11/20 2:25:09 PM #25:	Literally judging the morality and politics of men born 200 years ago by today's standards......okay? --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:940505610] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>Literally judging the morality and politics of men born 200 years ago by today's standards......okay? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 2:31:00 PM #26:	Solid Snake07 posted... Literally judging the morality and politics of men born 200 years ago by today's standards......okay? it was always wrong to enslave other humans and make them toil for you. doesn't matter what century it happened. there were people throughout human history who have said that it is wrong. it's just those in power were always in favor of slavery. <cite>Zikten posted [p:940505898] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote>Literally judging the morality and politics of men born 200 years ago by today's standards......okay? </quote> it was always wrong to enslave other humans and make them toil for you. doesn't matter what century it happened. there were people throughout human history who have said that it is wrong. it's just those in power were always in favor of slavery.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 06/11/20 2:34:46 PM #27:	Zikten posted... it was always wrong to enslave other humans and make them toil for you. doesn't matter what century it happened. there were people throughout human history who have said that it is wrong. it's just those in power were always in favor of slavery. Hindsight is 20/20. I just find it funny so many people are so sure they would have been above such ideals that were status quo of the day. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:940506064] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>it was always wrong to enslave other humans and make them toil for you. doesn't matter what century it happened. there were people throughout human history who have said that it is wrong. it's just those in power were always in favor of slavery.</quote> Hindsight is 20/20. I just find it funny so many people are so sure they would have been above such ideals that were status quo of the day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 06/11/20 2:38:43 PM #28:	if you ever feel like throwing up watch Gods and Generals. literally almost 4 hours of jerking it to stonewall jackson and robert e lee --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:940506255] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>if you ever feel like throwing up watch Gods and Generals. literally almost 4 hours of jerking it to stonewall jackson and robert e lee </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForsakenHermit 06/11/20 2:42:20 PM #29:	ultimate reaver posted... if you ever feel like throwing up watch Gods and Generals. literally almost 4 hours of jerking it to stonewall jackson and robert e lee ultimate reaver posted... if you ever feel like throwing up watch Gods and Generals. literally almost 4 hours of jerking it to stonewall jackson and robert e lee The director's cut (which I haven't seen) is almost 5. Still it's a shame we never got that sequel to Gettysburg. Even if the director is a Lost Causer and Trump supporter. --- Beware the fanatic! Too often his cure is deadlier by far than the evil he denounces!-Stan Lee RIP Make Arcades Great Again! <cite>ForsakenHermit posted [p:940506426] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>ultimate reaver posted... </cite> <quote>if you ever feel like throwing up watch Gods and Generals. literally almost 4 hours of jerking it to stonewall jackson and robert e lee</quote> ultimate reaver posted... </cite> <quote>if you ever feel like throwing up watch Gods and Generals. literally almost 4 hours of jerking it to stonewall jackson and robert e lee</quote>The director's cut (which I haven't seen) is almost 5. Still it's a shame we never got that sequel to Gettysburg. Even if the director is a Lost Causer and Trump supporter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RustyFerret 06/11/20 2:43:36 PM #30:	ImAMarvel posted... It's crazy that the Confederacy to me is so celebrated. Like, they were actually traitors. They actually committed treason man wtf. That's literally the most unAmerican thing you could do. lol America was founded by traitors. We didn't peacefully break off from England you know. <cite>RustyFerret posted [p:940506478] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>ImAMarvel posted... </cite> <quote>It's crazy that the Confederacy to me is so celebrated. Like, they were actually traitors. They actually committed treason man wtf. That's literally the most unAmerican thing you could do. lol</quote>America was founded by traitors. We didn't peacefully break off from England you know. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForsakenHermit 06/11/20 2:45:51 PM #31:	RustyFerret posted... America was founded by traitors. We didn't peacefully break off from England you know. We also didn't break away from Great Britain for the express purpose of owning people either. --- Beware the fanatic! Too often his cure is deadlier by far than the evil he denounces!-Stan Lee RIP Make Arcades Great Again! <cite>ForsakenHermit posted [p:940506570] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>RustyFerret posted... </cite> <quote>America was founded by traitors. We didn't peacefully break off from England you know.</quote>We also didn't break away from Great Britain for the express purpose of owning people either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RustyFerret 06/11/20 2:53:48 PM #32:	ForsakenHermit posted... We also didn't break away from Great Britain for the express purpose of owning people either. No, but I think it's telling that the British were offering abolition to colonial slaves that joined them. <cite>RustyFerret posted [p:940506979] in Still craz... [t:78762940]...</cite> <quote>ForsakenHermit posted... </cite> <quote>We also didn't break away from Great Britain for the express purpose of owning people either.</quote>No, but I think it's telling that the British were offering abolition to colonial slaves that joined them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Current Events > Still crazy that Jefferson Davis and Robert e Lee are still so glorified