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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

That he went out of his way to try and defend some idiot who compared his schlock to Schindler's List is the ridiculous part, regardless of how tasteful he was with it.

That's not what the guy did, though. The guy said the game gave him a similar emotional response, is all.

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I haven't read any of the leaks or looked at anything about this game but I'm pretty excited to get my hands on it. Haven't gotten a PlayStation game day one in so long.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I should clarify it's not like, hard confirmed, but I don't see what else it could possibly be. The review says:

"A trans character who I'm not allowed to reveal yet."

So that's awful.

that still could be abby's sidekick who iirc is voiced by a trans actor. Not looking that likely, though. I don't think they're a "major" character

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Reading a summary of the first three hours of this game. This is actually like a million times worse than we had expected. I am floored at the decisions made here.

I won't get into the spoilers... but man. I'm not playing this fucking game. It's trash.

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Would be interested in reading that.

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That one scene/line that is going around is kind of silly. Bigot sandwiches

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I just Google the words and it was the first result.

WRITING

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Tonally, everything with Ellie is like... just the most bizarre thing for the first 2 hours of the game. It's just goofy and I think they're trying to go 'haha here's some lighthearted adventures with Ellie being a teenager let's laugh and love!'

And then at 2 hours in it's just like the most grim dark nihilistic shit.

Edit: Also, sent the spoilers to @UshiromiyaEva . Super interested to hear his second opinion and whether or not I'm overreacting.

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Mind sending them to me too?

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Done and done. Enjoy expecting to be disappointed and actually becoming even more disappointed!

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Hmmmmm I'm about halfway through this document. It does sound pretty awful, but just want to state for the record that whoever wrote this thing up is definitely a total fucking loser themselves.

Would rather it wasn't one of the GamerGate alt righters that put this summary out there, but I'll take what I can get for now.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Tonally, everything with Ellie is like... just the most bizarre thing for the first 2 hours of the game. It's just goofy and I think they're trying to go 'haha here's some lighthearted adventures with Ellie being a teenager let's laugh and love!'

And then at 2 hours in it's just like the most grim dark nihilistic shit.

This is exactly what the first game does!

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Hmmmmm I'm about halfway through this document. It does sound pretty awful, but just want to state for the record that whoever wrote this thing up is definitely a total fucking loser themselves.

Would rather it wasn't one of the GamerGate alt righters that put this summary out there, but I'll take what I can get for now.

This is very true, but it was the only one I could find.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

This is exactly what the first game does!

r u 4 real?

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

r u 4 real?

Uh yes the entire game is building up the Joel/Ellie relationship so it can deliver a devastating downer ending

And there is a whole-ass tragic lesbians DLC where you go on whimsical adventures in a shopping mall, only for it to have a downer ending

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That was tough to get through. Both for how awful the game sounds and how awful the writer was! Anti-semetic, homophic, the works, yeesh.

But yeah, this game truly sounds like a complete shitshow. Forget the user reviews, interested to see what's gonna happen to critic reviews once people who didn't get early copies start getting there hands on it.

Even now, it's not hard at all to find several negative critic reviews that just so happen to not be scored (not a conspiracy thing, sites like Vice didn't score in the first place).

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Does the document just say "there are no anime titties" and that's why you guys are so mad?

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Uh yes the entire game is building up the Joel/Ellie relationship so it can deliver a devastating downer ending

And there is a whole-ass tragic lesbians DLC where you go on whimsical adventures in a shopping mall, only for it to have a downer ending

I said the first two hours of the game are happy go lucky fun time adventures and then it basically starts the nihilistic grim dark stuff immediately after that. Like, the game jumps to 'make you morbidly depressed' at the 2 hour mark. Of a 25 hour game.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

That was tough to get through. Both for how awful the game sounds and how awful the writer was! Anti-semetic, homophic, the works, yeesh.

But yeah, this game truly sounds like a complete shitshow. Forget the user reviews, interested to see what's gonna happen to critic reviews once people who didn't get early copies start getting there hands on it.

Even now, it's not hard at all to find several negative critic reviews that just so happen to not be scored (not a conspiracy thing, sites like Vice didn't score in the first place).

Yeah, even though he's pretty terrible, he does a decent job explaining what a mess the first three hours of this game are.

I can't imagine critics who aren't already going to bend the knee to Sony bucks giving this game a favorable review. Seeing how the first three hours plays out, I can't even imagine how much worse is gets for the next 22 hours with how the negative reviews describe their experience.

This isn't even an MGS2 scenario where you go in expecting Solid Snake and then get Raiden. This is going to get so much more push back.

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davidponte posted...

Does the document just say "there are no anime titties" and that's why you guys are so mad?

Listen, I wasn't going to spoil this...

But I can confirm...

There are no anime titties in the first three hours of The Last Of Us: Part 2.

Huge oversight.

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davidponte posted...

Does the document just say "there are no anime titties" and that's why you guys are so mad?

Anime titties can't save this!

I'm not angry (well I'm angry at the document writer lol), just dissappinted. It's kind of shocking how literal Druckman was being when he said people who liked the first game aren't going to like this one.

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Serious question, did either of you play the first game? That was 15 hours of dark, grim depressing shit constantly being thrown at you, and it did very well. In the first 10 minutes of it you get an insane gut punch that sets the tone of 'this is not a happy game', and it very rarely lets up from there.

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I think you're missing the issue.

If the reason you liked the first game was specifically because it was incredibly grim, and didn't particularly care about the characters at all, then sure maybe this one is for you.

If you actually cared about the story and characters in TLoU, then you're the fans Druckman is talking about when he says you won't like this game.

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davidponte posted...

Serious question, did either of you play the first game? That was 15 hours of dark, grim depressing shit constantly being thrown at you, and it did very well. In the first 10 minutes of it you get an insane gut punch that sets the tone of 'this is not a happy game', and it very rarely lets up from there.

I think what's different is that tonally, you had a bit of a break here and there with pieces of hope. You have Ellie who is more of an innocent, brash little girl to separate from the absolute grim dark nature of the world around them. You have a man learning to love and care for someone again.

In the first 2 hours of this game you get sunshine adventures, then what happens at the 2 hour mark is just setting up for angry nihilism devoid of hope for the rest of the game.

I'll be shocked if they give you any moments of levity in the first game, like just a break to show humanity with a few of the characters you had met on your travels.

It's been stated this is a game about revenge. And the revenge aspect runs so deep, without any nuance at all to it, not even giving the opportunity for any nuance to it, and it just dumps it all out in front of you and leaves little room for anything else.

I want to explain it more, but doing so gives away a spoiler they're trying to hide.

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I made a spoiler topic, enter at your own risk.

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Yeah, I guess it's tough to have this conversation when one party doesn't know the specifics. Everything you're saying though makes it seem like it's not a game for you, which is perfectly reasonable, but I don't think it objectively makes it a bad game.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I can't imagine critics who aren't already going to bend the knee to Sony bucks giving this game a favorable review

Stuff like this just comes off a little odd, as if you have read the spoilers and because it's not what you guys want, it can't possibly be good and everyone who likes it must be getting paid to say so. There are plenty of reviews that agree with you, and a whole lot that don't. Why dismiss the favorable ones? I'm just failing to understand the point behind it.

I thought we were past "companies pay for reviews" in the year 2020. I'm sure a whole lot of games journalists who are struggling to survive in an industry with people that hate them for no reason would see that and just give the eye roll.

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Yeah I'm not buying into the paid reviews thing at all. I have no doubt mechanically this is going to be a stunning game.

I think once it hits the masses we're going to see critical reviews start to dive some, though. That's not Sony paying people off, they just knew the types of places to send early copies to.

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I think it's more... companies provide people with review copies and value 10/10 scores for advertising, and if they get a negative review they are more than happy to revoke review copies. We have plenty of stories of game reviewers being forced to skew their reviews to a different number. IGN, for instance, is a company that wants to stay in good standing with a powerhouse like Sony so they can get more bonuses and exclusives from them before other companies can. And early game reviews get them more views and traffic.

I would say that it will be more telling when people who weren't granted review copies and do give numbered scores review this game exactly how true that is.

Edit: Basically, it's not "paying for reviews" in a traditional sense, and I probably shouldn't have worded it in that way. But it's moreso paying with benefits to being in good standing with their company, as a more unspoken thing.

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As someone who mostly enjoyed the first game but had my share of issues with it, all the spoilers I've read are awful. I wasn't sold on getting this game right away, and I was hoping they'd be able to sell me on why I should. Now I don't think I'll ever play it.

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Outer_space posted...

Was that supposed to be written by Tommy? Oh hell nah lol

Written by the same person who had this to say about diaries:

https://youtu.be/SCGNGWUQEwk

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