Current Events > I do not think there is any way to fix US police truly stop their violence

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Like, seriously, look at how they react to even passing criticism. A local donut shop took away their 10% discount for police and have been getting death threats for nearly a week, cops threatening not to respond to calls, etc. You have the clown at the NYPD getting on tv to cry. The LAPD stabbing people. Kneeling to lure protesters in to be brutalized, pepper spraying kids, targeting journalists, using protests as an excuse to just jump whoever they want. This country is so deeply, severely fucked that I dont think it can ever truly be fixed. This gang is here, they are armed, they are not held to any reasonable standard of non-violence, and they do not face consequences. Police abuse and violence is a fact of life and I dont think we can truly do anything more than avoid them and mitigate their damage, because of how deeply rooted and completely pervasive the problem is. The scale of change required is so unprecedented that I do not see it happening, and it scares and saddens me.

dont talk to cops, do not trust them, and if they stop you, start recording. Dont take it from me, heres a former cop telling you to avoid them at all costs:
https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759

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Not that I disagree with the notion that the police need SERIOUS reform, but that article could easily be written up by whoever, which makes it hard to share. Does it have any sort of source? Anything that you can use to identify that it truly was written by a former cop?

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Police can literally rape people in custody with more or less complete impunity in 35 states. You cant fix it. The steps needed to fix it are far too radical, wide-reaching, and resource intensive for any of it to ever truly take hold.

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Anyone who can take any other conclusion from the past two and a half weeks has their head in the sand

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When their way to show us that they aren't violent is to be violent to peaceful protestors... then no chance for reform.

A fresh start is needed, after tearing the institution down.

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Funkydog posted...

When their way to show us that they aren't violent is to be violent to peaceful protestors... then no chance for reform.

A fresh start is needed, after tearing the institution down.

They dont want to show us they arent violent.

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Something has gotta change but the fact that it's been mostly quiet outside of a few things doesn't bode well.

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Tactical_Spork posted...

They dont want to show us they arent violent.

There is also that, yes. They want us to "respect" them through fear and intimidation. They don't want to be contested and they want to kill with impunity.

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every day there is new shit

theres no fixing this


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I like the fact that in TC's link he refers to himself as "former bastard cop".

That's pretty neat.

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yeah its almost like smart people can reflect on their past actions and come to realize they were immoral and unjust

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Easy, defund them.

Seems a simple case of having another major country like the UK Germany France etc come over and teach in our police academy. It may take 50 years for all the current police officers to retire since the police union is so strong they can't just fire them. But if you start now we can have a new generation of cops in 40 years. The longer you wait nothing changes.

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the only way to solve this is to totally tear down the entire police system in the US and start over. we have to fire every cop. shut down all the PD's. destroy the Police Unions. and close up all the academies. and then once that is done we can rebuild a new system.

It's called nature.

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It began since the dawn of time.

It will end at the end of time/

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Zikten posted...

the only way to solve this is to totally tear down the entire police system in the US and start over. we have to fire every cop. shut down all the PD's. destroy the Police Unions. and close up all the academies. and then once that is done we can rebuild a new system.

And that is why it will never be fixed. Its so deeply ingrained in our culture that we cant escape it. The number of non-cops who have been brainwashed to think police brutality, discrimination, and general incompetence is acceptable and even desirable is fucking baffling.

Seriously, any time a business removes a police discount or posts black lives matter, look at how many cretins come out of the woodwork to be like lOl HoPe ThE cOpS dOnT aNsWeR tHeYrE cAlLs

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suspend WITH pay is a huge red flag

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Reform is not coming from within the police departments. You've got two options then; vote in better politicians, or stand up and force their hand.
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Police are like politicians. You can call them all the things you want and criticize them however you want but in the end they're all brought up from the same populace.

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Tactical_Spork posted...

A local donut shop took away their 10% discount for police and have been getting death threats for nearly a week, cops threatening not to respond to calls, etc.

why that's like just 10 cents off per donut wtf

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I think a good place to start is to draw a hard distinction between calls that require an armed presence and calls that do not

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OwlRammer posted...

why that's like just 10 cents off per donut wtf

I believe it was about 15 cents for most of their donuts. A travesty.

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The police deal with violent criminals. A sensible person can acknowledge that every now and then, when dealing with a violent person, bad stuff is going to happen.

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Fuparulez posted...

The police deal with violent criminals. A sensible person can acknowledge that every now and then, when dealing with a violent person, bad stuff is going to happen.

The police deal with non violent people way more often than violent. But they only trained in how to deal with violent people. So they fall back on their training when encountering peaceful people and unleash violence

eston posted...

I think a good place to start is to draw a hard distinction between calls that require an armed presence and calls that do not

how can you possibly make this distinction with any certainty at all?

"they... probably don't have guns of their own, and... might not resist arrest, send one unarmed officer and hope for the best, over"

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Incidents of the police being violent towards non violent people are extremely rare, despite what CNN tells you. This last guy that got killed dealing with the cops fought them and disarmed them while intoxicated, and apparently it's the cops' fault.

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Fuparulez posted...

Incidents of the police being violent towards non violent people are extremely rare, despite what CNN tells you. This last guy that got killed dealing with the cops fought them and disarmed them while intoxicated, and apparently it's the cops' fault.

nobody knows what the fuck they're talking about, they'll never stop hating cops even if a thanos snap turned literally every single cop into plush toy pacifists. cops are authority, authority is a drag. you either grow out of this mindset, or you don't. on CE, most haven't

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Fuparulez posted...

Incidents of the police being violent towards non violent people are extremely rare, despite what CNN tells you. This last guy that got killed dealing with the cops fought them and disarmed them while intoxicated, and apparently it's the cops' fault.

Wow supreme big brain post thank u for ur enlightenment good job big guy :)

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The US has the largest prison population in the world by both percentage and raw number. It also has a pervasive culture of violence with an emphasis on punishment instead of reform. People think if they just replace the bottom-rung of the justice system, cops, with "good people" it will get better. They pick pet issues like police unions or private prisons to distract from the top-down pervasiveness of the problem. If you don't think firing all the teachers and getting rid of their unions would make American education (which already spends more per student than any other country) stop putting up 3rd world results, why would you expect that to work for police? In both cases the system and culture are such that who works at the bottom doesn't matter, just cogs in a machine.

Do you think the Nazis would have been good if they just fired all the bad brown shirts and replaced them with good ones? Or was the system itself the problem?

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ssjevot posted...

The US has the largest prison population in the world by both percentage and raw number. It also has a pervasive culture of violence with an emphasis on punishment instead of reform. People think if they just replace the bottom-rung of the justice system, cops, with "good people" it will get better. They pick pet issues like police unions or private prisons to distract from the top-down pervasiveness of the problem. If you don't think firing all the teachers and getting rid of their unions would make American education (which already spends more per student than any other country) stop putting up 3rd world results, why would you expect that to work for police? In both cases the system and culture are such that who works at the bottom doesn't matter, just cogs in a machine.

Do you think the Nazis would have been good if they just fired all the bad brown shirts and replaced them with good ones? Or was the system itself the problem?

I mean, yeah, this is what I mean. Its so deeply rooted that nothing short of a complete societal upheaval and restructuring will fix it, something so completely beyond the scope of anything that has ever been done without mass violence and suffering. Its insanely disheartening that its become so hopeless that nothing short of Rome falling would produce change, because obviously that would also be terrible and have a massive impact far beyond just unrest on our own soil.

world bad cant get better

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"We've tried everything but the one simple solution that would work"

Broseph_Stalin posted...

"We've tried everything but the one simple solution that would work"

I mean there are legitimately people who think if you just get rid of police unions the whole thing sorts itself out. Ignoring that many cops already aren't unionized and other countries with unions don't have those issues.

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