Current Events > So why does a base model Honda out-perform 'luxury' brands?

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Looking at getting a compact SUV and from every source I've read the CRV is the one to get. Comparable Audis, Jags, BMWs, Jeep, they all suck and are way more expensive. What gives car manufacturers?
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The CRV is dope, that's why.

My first car was a 99.

It had a picnic table.

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Hondas are amazing cars. Luxury cars A) don't give performance as much attention and B) Make it nearly impossible for owners to do their own work on it, thus, forcing them to take it to the dealer and paying extra for proprietary parts.

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VipaGTS posted...

Hondas are amazing cars.

This. They can last almost forever if properly maintained.

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Good choice. I went with Hyundai Santa Fe Sport and it's great. Had the SUV for 5 years now. I chose not to get Turbo since my driving doesn't require that extra boost. Either that or Honda would have been my choice. Rav4 was more money for less.

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Honda Sensing is very comprehensive for standard equipment. Luxury brands package out each feature to reach the same level of safety.
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VipaGTS posted...

Hondas are amazing cars. Luxury cars A) don't give performance as much attention and B) Make it nearly impossible for owners to do their own work on it, thus, forcing them to take it to the dealer and paying extra for proprietary parts.

I know jags depreciate fast from what ive heard.
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VipaGTS posted...

Hondas are amazing cars. Luxury cars A) don't give performance as much attention and B) Make it nearly impossible for owners to do their own work on it, thus, forcing them to take it to the dealer and paying extra for proprietary parts.

Its 2020 man. Basically no one can do much on modern cars these days. The average backyard mechanic doesnt have the diagnostic tools even if he has the know how (and the average back yard mechanic might be able to build a 1980 ford from a pile of parts but thats not even relevant to working on a new vehichle).

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It's like I'm watching that Community episode right now

Honda cars last forever if you maintain them right. My dads friend has plenty of Hondas from the 90s that still run smooth.

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My current car is a 2010 civic with 150k miles. Still runs great. Only routine maintenance required, so I've been partial to Hondas for a while. My wife's newer Cruz just hit 100k and had already been to the shop several times for big fixes. That's why I'm trying to get her something new. Honda seems the way to go.
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GoodOlJr posted...

I know jags depreciate fast from what ive heard.

Jags are also an absolute bitch to maintain. The maintenance is crazy expensive.

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Ive only ever owned civics
93 hatchback - 315000km
00 hatchback - 285000km, sold for $800
12 si sedan - 110000km, sold for $15000
17 si sedan - 88000km currently

Best cars and the si's are fast as heck

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Im too cheap to ever get a luxury car

I have a sonata, ill drive it until the wheels fall off, maybe by then electrics will be cheap or ill need a better family car
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CanuckCowboy posted...

Its 2020 man. Basically no one can do much on modern cars these days. The average backyard mechanic doesnt have the diagnostic tools even if he has the know how (and the average back yard mechanic might be able to build a 1980 ford from a pile of parts but thats not even relevant to working on a new vehichle).

Eh, i can still work on my 2016 Civic. at the very least i can replace basic fluids and repair basic parts without having to use some special nintendo level screw driver.

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J03can posted...

Ive only ever owned civics
93 hatchback - 315000km
00 hatchback - 285000km, sold for $800
12 si sedan - 110000km, sold for $15000
17 si sedan - 88000km currently

Best cars and the si's are fast as heck

Too bad they dumbed the si down so much after 06 tbh.

That was a legit pocket rocket, theyre a lot more toned down for the average driver now.

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I always laugh at people with used luxury cars. Just wait until you need to do repair work on it XD

Most of these people don't have that kinda money to blow just to impress people.

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You're paying for a badge and a useless expensive warranty.

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6 months ago my wife and I shopped for a CUV and we both really didn't like the Honda CRV compared to other models. We only liked it better than the Kia, ended up with a Rav4. It's awesome so far.
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I just bought a 2020 civic lx sedan.

I had a 2010 ex-l civic, but it needed $2,600 in repairs. I traded it in for $3,000 toward the new car.
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Should I get the new Rogue or a CX-5?
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My wife came to the same conclusion when looking at Lexus. Why bother paying more for something that has no benefit other than "the brand" and costing more to fix up?

We ended up getting a Honda Passport, it's pretty fuckin' nice.

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The Lexus UX, especially the UX250h, looks like the best entry-level luxury, hybrid, and AWD

Too bad the trunk is garbage.

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Imagine buying a soulless suv. May as well be driving a minivan.

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pogo_rabid posted...

Imagine buying a soulless suv. May as well be driving a minivan.

Oh our SUV has a soul, the Honda people helped with the sacrifice and everything.

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Crossovers are where it's at.

CVTs are typically described as soulless, but that seems more appropriate for cars with identity issues like the BMW X6.

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My first car was an 04 Honda Accord. I fucking loved that car.

I'll never understand the thought process of people who have no real interest in cars outside of getting from point a to point b, so take what I say with a gain of salt.

it's not that I consider everything those people do to be ruining the auto industry by adding to the sales numbers of horrible, shitty toaster vehicle, or anything.

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My only 2 cars have been a 2002 and a 2018 Accord.

CanuckCowboy posted...

Too bad they dumbed the si down so much after 06 tbh.

That was a legit pocket rocket, theyre a lot more toned down for the average driver now.

They have more horsepower and torque now then they ever have

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I drive an Acura TL - a Honda product. Some of the things it has that you won't find on any US spec Honda is a 300+ hp V6 and SH-AWD (available on some Hondas, but not in the US market). The dealership experience is also a major sell for folks looking for "premium/luxury" cars.

As far as SUVs/Crossovers go, I will *never* own one as my own personal car. Might as well get a minivan if you're going to go the soccer mom look.

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Starks posted...

Should I get the new Rogue or a CX-5?

CX-5 no question

Dealers are horseshit. You can get a better deal through Edmunds or private lease brokers through Lease Hackr.

Trumpo posted...

CX-5 no question

My main concern is the shitty infotainment.

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Atralis posted...

My only 2 cars have been a 2002 and a 2018 Accord.

2018 Accord is really nice.

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Nissan is lolworthy right now, worst CVT out of any brand and Dodge/Chrysler level of long term reliability.

imagine paying monthly for a boring car that puts you to sleep while driving

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One problem that luxury cars as market have is that a lot of the features that use to be exclusive to them have now trickled down to the more mainstream cars. You can spec a RAV4 for example to a whopping $40k but it'll have every kind of tech you'd ever want in a car. A BMW X3 starts at $42k and won't even have half the stuff the Toyota has.

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I've found that to be the most infuriating part of the jump to luxury. It's like starting over. Lexus is the only brand that seems to pack everything in at a fair price. The Level 2 lane-centering is a nice touch.

Audi? Volvo? BMW? Have to go fully loaded or stack a bunch of packages to get even half of the tech and safety features. How lane-keeping and adaptive cruise control aren't standard is stunning.

And it's not like these models are waiting for refreshes. It's very intentional unless you have a dead brand like Infiniti.

This is why non-luxury crossovers are so popular. Get all the bells and whistles, none of the crap, and maybe lose a little styling.

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pogo_rabid posted...

Imagine buying a soulless suv. May as well be driving a minivan.

Mate when you have kids you'll realize having space is way more important than soul. Whatever that means for a car.

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The problem with the German makes is that you have to spec them up by an additional $10-$20k for them to have the features you really want. That's how they nail you - a base model German car doesn't have jack **** in it.

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I'd get a 4Runner if I wanted an SUV

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I've eliminated so many SUVs simply because they insist on knobs or touchpads to control the screen.

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