Current Events > Republican senator quotes JK Rowling in blocking bill on LGBTQ rights

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shockthemonkey posted...

What is a trans fad?

It's a social fad involving transgenderism, transexuality, etc. Arose about the time celebrities started crossing wires just to be edgy.

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shockthemonkey posted...

...what?

You need an audio recording or what?

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shockthemonkey posted...

A coherent thought would be nice

You were given one.

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P4wn4g3 posted...

It's a social fad involving transgenderism, transexuality, etc. Arose about the time celebrities started crossing wires just to be edgy.

Yeah people just pretend to be part of a marginalized group to be edgy!

Shut the fuck up you transphobic idiot.

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P4wn4g3 posted...

You need an audio recording or what?

I do

cymbaline posted...

Yeah people just pretend to be part of a marginalized group to be edgy!

Shut the fuck up you transphobic idiot.

Ah yes, pointing out the obvious fact that a social trend was sparked from this last decade isn't actually a talking point among you sjw types, in fact it's much better just to stifle all conversation about it. Anything pointing to the alternative must be nazism at work. Well reasoned.

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P4wn4g3 posted...

Ah yes, pointing out the obvious fact that a social trend was sparked from this last decade isn't actually a talking point among you sjw types, in fact it's much better just to stifle all conversation about it. Anything pointing to the alternative must be nazism at work. Well reasoned.

you mean the trend of... society becoming slightly less openly hostile towards trans people?

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P4wn4g3 posted...

Ah yes, pointing out the obvious fact that a social trend was sparked from this last decade isn't actually a talking point among you sjw types, in fact it's much better just to stifle all conversation about it. Anything pointing to the alternative must be nazism at work. Well reasoned.

Everything you say is incoherent bullshit. Fuck off.

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averagejoel posted...

you mean the trend of... society becoming slightly less openly hostile towards trans people?

I don't really have any experience with that, but given the way the republican party is openly hostile towards them, and given how the democratic party throws out platitudes that clearly have no use other than to take advantage of the transperson's plight in order to win electoral votes, I'd say it's pretty clear that the American government at large is not a friend of trans people. And due to the heavily political nature of the topic, and how anyone who wants to try to promote the cause of transpeople has to join the sjw Thought Police, there's really no room at all for meaningful discussion. I would think people who would like to be seen as allies to trans people would be sympathetic to the fact that nobody takes this plight seriously because of all this political bullshit, but that doesn't tend to happen either. So I tend to throw my hands in the air and watch the sjw segment of the left sling shit at itself on the whole topic.

That's kind of where I end up with things. Go ahead and tell me there is a magic bullet for that one.

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Not even a warning for that one, huh mods.

P4wn4g3 posted...

Ah yes, pointing out the obvious fact that a social trend was sparked from this last decade isn't actually a talking point among you sjw types, in fact it's much better just to stifle all conversation about it. Anything pointing to the alternative must be nazism at work. Well reasoned.

A fad so nouveau that it altered history and ingrained itself into multiple cultures that have existed for thousands of years longer than "western" civilization.

It's fact that this is a part of human nature, and has been since the dawn of humanity. It'll be around for as long as humans exist, no matter what you think about it. Have fun with that thought.
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As if republicans care about women in any way, shape or form.

He only quoted her to put down another group.
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emblem boy posted...

I still need to read the piece she wrote about her feelings on some of this transgender stuff. I only briefly saw the twitter thread but...it didn't seem as bad as the backlash made it. But I'm not fully knowledgeable in some of the discourse around trans rights.

It is definitely overblown and people are too eager to virtue signal.

Her thoughts are basically that a trans woman doesn't have the same experiences as a cis woman.

I mean, some parts of her words sound cringey, but people are acting like she hates trans people.

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Ya, I gave it a read yesterday. Can't say I really find anything wrong with her thoughts about it. Maybe someone can tell me why I'm wrong

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/
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emblem boy posted...

Ya, I gave it a read yesterday. Can't say I really find anything wrong with her thoughts about it. Maybe someone can tell me why I'm wrong

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

A lot of what she says in there is fine at face value. The problem is when you read between the lines you get the gist of what a lot of people are criticizing

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Hinakuluiau posted...

A lot of what she says in there is fine at face value. The problem is when you read between the lines you get the gist of what a lot of people are criticizing

Yeah, this isn't some context-less tweet into the void: Rowling has a history of boosting trans-exclusionary "feminists" and defending them. Pretending this tweet exists in a vacuum and that her intent is unknowable requires actively refusing to see the problem.

Any good sources for the missing context?
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ElatedVenusaur posted...

Yeah, this isn't some context-less tweet into the void: Rowling has a history of boosting trans-exclusionary "feminists" and defending them. Pretending this tweet exists in a vacuum and that her intent is unknowable requires actively refusing to see the problem.

So there is that one tweet about that lady 6 months ago. What else?

You're gonna really have to break it down for me.

What I see is that people are eager to virtue signal their support for trans people. I don't see any real discussion or refutation of her points. Calling Rowling a bigot (something I see a lot of in general lately) just isn't productive and seems highly reductionist as to what her point is.

The reality is that women have had to deal with sexism and the way a cis female experiences that will be much different than what a trans person experiences. It just seems really odd to say trans women are women when they're trans women and all that comes with that. There will be some overlap between the experiences of trans women and cis women, but they are still distinct.

Like a trans person can go through all sorts of therapies, treatments, surgeries, etc. to change what is part of their biological identity to what they feel it should be to match their gender identity. That still won't be the same as being born a cis female. They deserve to be treated with respect and dignity and proper acknowledgment of their gender identity, but it seems incorrect to group them in with cis females in terms of how they experience the world.

It just seems like saying anything other than trans women are women is seen as unacceptable and that there is no room for nuance here.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Like a trans person can go through all sorts of therapies, treatments, surgeries, etc. to change what is part of their biological identity to what they feel it should be to match their gender identity. That still won't be the same as being born a cis female. They deserve to be treated with respect and dignity and proper acknowledgment of their gender identity, but it seems incorrect to group them in with cis females in terms of how they experience the world.

Except that isn't what Rowling does. She constantly tweets out things saying they "aren't real women" or "we have a name for people who menstruate" or will tweet out support for a woman who didn't have a contract renewed for outright transphobia.

Rowling is the one who does token support for the LGBTQ+ community, and while she might actually think she does support them (and I don't think she necessarily hates any of them) she very much does see them as other.

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Funkydog posted...

Except that isn't what Rowling does. She constantly tweets out things saying they "aren't real women" or "we have a name for people who menstruate" or will tweet out support for a woman who didn't have a contract renewed for outright transphobia.

Rowling is the one who does token support for the LGBTQ+ community, and while she might actually think she does support them (and I don't think she necessarily hates any of them) she very much does see them as other.

I mean, she doesn't state anything as explicitly as you put it. I don't think she outright says they aren't "real women."

I don't understand why that one lady was viewed as transphobic. I mean, her claim was that biological sex is real wasn't it?

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Jury service, huh?

Crash posted...

Love how Rowling went from a leftist darling to a pariah just because of her opinion on this stuff.

I think it hits home with this crowd particularly hard because the Harry Potter books are probably the only books they've ever read. LMAO

Amazingly easy to draw a fantastic conclusion like this if you invent incredible strawmans and mischarecterise the argument entirely

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Crash posted...

Love how Rowling went from a leftist darling to a pariah just because of her opinion on this stuff.

I think it hits home with this crowd particularly hard because the Harry Potter books are probably the only books they've ever read. LMAO

Many people didnt give a shit about her politics. Its the fact that her blatant transphobia openly shits on the moral of acceptance that her books laid out.

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shockthemonkey posted...

It amazes me how often this needs to be explained.

Conservatives are used to doubling down on the old when presented with new information
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