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Zikten posted...

a 15 year old girl that lived 5 thousand years ago was considered a grown adult woman. and probably already had like 3 children by that age.

I'm going to be honest, I think that you're saying this because you think it sounds right. Can you provide any sources that say something like what you're claiming here?

Tenlaar posted...

I'm going to be honest, I think that you're saying this because you think it sounds right. Can you provide any sources that say something like what you're claiming here?

I guess you slept through all your history classes......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age#Antiquity

Historically, the age of consent for a sexual union was determined by tribal custom, or was a matter for families to decide. In most cases, this coincided with signs of puberty: such as menstruation for a girl and pubic hair for a boy.[2]

In Jewish oral tradition, men cannot consent to marriage until they reach the age of majority of 13 years and a day and have undergone puberty. With no signs of puberty, they are considered minors until the age of twenty. After twenty, they are not considered adults if they show signs of impotence. If they show no signs of puberty or do show impotence, they automatically become adults by age 35 and can marry. The same rules apply to women, except their age of majority is 12 years and a day.[3][4]

In ancient Rome, it was very common for girls to marry and have children shortly after the onset of puberty. Roman law required brides to be at least 12 years old.[5] In Roman law, first marriages to brides from 12 to 24 required the consent of the bride and her father; by the late antique period, Roman law permitted women over 25 to marry without parental consent.[6]

The Catholic canon law followed the Roman law. In the 12th century, the Catholic Church drastically changed legal standards for marital consent by allowing daughters over 12 and sons over 14 to marry without their parents' approval, even if their marriage was made clandestinely.[7] Parish studies have confirmed that late medieval women did sometimes marry without their parents' approval.[8] In western Europe, the rise of Christianity and manorialism had both created incentives to keep families nuclear, and thus the age of marriage increased; the Western Church instituted marriage laws and practices that undermined large kinship groups. The Church prohibited consanguineous marriages, a marriage pattern that had been a means to maintain clans (and thus their power) throughout history.[9] The church also forbade marriages in which the bride did not clearly agree to the union.[10]

it's talking more about the concept of marriage than making a baby but in ancient times especially, this was often one and the same.

and no, I am not proposing we lower the age of consent to get a girl pregnant. but yes I knew you were going to eventually admit that's what you thought I was saying. I don't know why people freak out about scientific facts that are unpleasant. I never made a judgement on the concept I simply stated what is a true fact about how the human body works. mother nature gives not one single fuck about laws. it is what it is.

Why did you bother posting something that isn't what you were saying and I asked you to source?

it is what I am saying. I'm saying until very recently on the human history time scale, girls got pregnant all the time as soon as they hit puberty. and what source do you want? you expect me to mail you a history book or something? I have a hard time believing you are being serious when you act like you don't know what I am talking about. how did you ever get through school without learning about this? too many people today know fuck all about history. and that's sad.

Posting something about marriage practices in cultures thousands of years later is not sourcing your claim about girls regularly having multiple children by the age of 15 in 3000 B.C.

and you are derailing my argument btw. my comment on the first decade of breeding age was not the important part of that post. but it's the part you got obsessed with even though I literally in that same post said that it isn't really a factor anymore in modern society. I wasn't saying that girls SHOULD get pregnant that young. I just said it's possible. and you freaked out. because you can't handle a fact being stated. and you completely ignored my main point about 40 year old moms

Tenlaar posted...

Posting something about marriage practices in cultures thousands of years later is not sourcing your claim about girls regularly having multiple children by the age of 15 in 3000 B.C.

so you think my claim wasn't true? you think 5 thousand year old teenage girls were not already mothers? sorry but I am not going to waste any more time entertaining you. you either never picked up a history book about ancient society or you are trolling me

I'm not derailing your argument, I'm asking you to source it, and you're failing.

bigtiggie23 posted...

Or one super baby and one shorter, inferior baby that wasn't planned.

A Hideo Kojima game
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Tenlaar posted...

I'm not derailing your argument, I'm asking you to source it, and you're failing.

you were from the moment you ignored the 2nd half of my post and focused on the first half. my point was not about young mothers. it was about old mothers. and I asked you what you want for a source and you didn't answer me. as far as I am concerned that wiki is a source. I don't know what you expect

Zikten posted...

as far as I am concerned that wiki is a source.

This is where we're at right now:

You: Girls 5000 years ago would have three kids by the age of 15.
Me: Can you provide a source saying this?
You: Here's a wikipedia article that's about cultures thousands of years later, and also about marriage rather than pregnancy rates, but if you don't accept this as evidence for my claim anyway then you're either ignorant or a troll!

I saw a Japanese porno like this, except it was a game show where he had to decide which private part was your mother's, sister's, or daughter's.

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that wiki was about human history in general. i'm not going to dig up some article about specific laws from 5 thousand years ago. it's called common sense. you really think that girls were able to marry at 12, 2 thousand years ago but 5 thousand years ago, they had to wait till they were 20?

come on man......

why do I need to be your history teacher? everyone else in this topic knows I am speaking facts. most people have a better understanding of human history by the time they finish high school than you are currently demonstrating

also AGAIN. yes, you are derailing. you are still doing it RIGHT NOW. every post you make about the first decade women are fertile, is derailing. so once again, I am not talking to you anymore. and this time I mean it

Juhanor posted...

A Hideo Kojima game

I was thinking of the movie Twins but this works too.
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What????

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no anal den smfh -_-

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lolife67 posted...

They already have that with 90 Day Fiance.

Thats different. Im talking about families competing to marry into some dynasty by whoring out their child with a marriage proposal to another child.

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Alucard188 posted...

I saw a Japanese porno like this, except it was a game show where he had to decide which private part was your mother's, sister's, or daughter's.

I think I've seen that one too. One of the chicks was really hot >_> I think it was the mom

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Zikten posted...

also AGAIN. yes, you are derailing. you are still doing it RIGHT NOW. every post you make about the first decade women are fertile, is derailing. so once again, I am not talking to you anymore. and this time I mean it

I'd probably bail too if I was to the point of calling somebody wanting me to back up my claim "derailing" because I couldn't provide any sources that verify it even though I was acting like it was common knowledge that any elementary school child knows.