Current Events > Circumcision should not be done on a child

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Zikten posted...

see the thing is, you should. it's actually fucked up to not care. not caring it happened to you is one thing. but if you don't care it still happens to babies every day, that is evil.

What the fuck...

Seriously, what the fuck.

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Zikten posted...

because I actually care. my nephew got mutilated. I tried to campaign to save him and nobody in my family had my back. my sister in law thanked me for caring so much but then disregarded my opinion and said she wanted him to look like his father. as if that matters. when will my brother and my nephew ever even see each other naked? she didn't get it. like 90% of americans. she doesn't understand why it's stupid to keep doing this generation after generation. and you are the same. you call it try hard because you don't get what the big deal is and don't understand why I am so passionate about it. I was spared because after my brother, when I was born a different doctor told my parents it was a dumb procedure. but then the next generation came and nothing was learned.

jesus fucking christ, you are obsessed. please seek help

TopKekBro posted...

* looks better
* smells better
* easier cleanup
* you cant tear your frenulum during sex
* less D cancer risk
* less std risk
* girls dont joke about its looks

/Topic

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the fact some of you don't understand why I care is so fucked up and depressing. I feel like the only sane person screaming at a crowd of maniacs

Just saying I'd rather be unnecessarily circumcised as a baby where I'm already pissing myself anyway and won't remember rather than having needed one as a child, teenager or adult

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As with many (maybe all?) of the Laws of Moses, there is a foundation in health and welfare behind the tradition. Whether those health benefits are valid in the modern world is certainly a topic for debate.

I am a woman and literally have no stick in this game. I understand the arguments both ways. There is medical research that there is some value in male circumcision (in contrast to female circumcision, for which there is no known medical benefit). Allowing something just because it is a religious tradition obviously can be problematic. That's the main reason it really should remain a medical issue. The APA gives its recommendations. Last time I checked (which was a long time ago), they were fairly neutral and basically provided research-based facts.

My son is circumcised. I let my husband decide. My husband is Jewish by birth though not by faith.

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Zikten posted...

the fact some of you don't understand why I care is so fucked up and depressing. I feel like the only sane person screaming at a crowd of maniacs

I can understand your perspective and caring, it really just depends on the level you take it. Thinking its evil is a bit much and youll lose any empathy from most people if you say that kind of stuff.

Its not going to ruin someones life or be so painful or damaging it causes serious life problems. Its not sustained torture or some shit that youd be led to believe by some people. Plus, it has some benefits (even if theyre minor).

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i was cut. i could care less. it still works.

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pinky0926 posted...

I think most reasonable people would agree and I don't particularly understand the arguments for doing it, unless there is some compelling reason why circumcision is a good thing medically.

I was circumcised, and while I have no strong personal feelings about it at all, I also can't defend the position that it should continue.

I wish more people had your sentiment.

With that being said, circumcision for cosmetic reasons is fine by me, just so long as it's not being done to babies.

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So is it not traditionally performed post puberty because of erections?

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It shouldnt be done to babies unless theres a medical emergency. If people once they are older decide they want to be, then let them. Nothing wrong with that, but the procedure shouldnt be forced on anyone. Even for religious people, I feel it shouldnt be done until the person is old enough to decide that yes, they do want to be part of the religion.

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TopKekBro posted...

* looks better
* smells better
* easier cleanup
* you cant tear your frenulum during sex
* less D cancer risk
* less std risk
* girls dont joke about its looks

"looks better" because circumcision is the norm. Circumcision causes the glans to dry up and look cracked/scarred. Smell/clean up doesn't matter if there's easy access to shower. It barely takes any time or effort to clean a penis. Wearing a condom and practicing safe sex is more effective at reducing the risk of STD than circumcision. Urinary tract infections are treatable. Phimosis is treatable and circumcision would only be necessary if it was a very extreme case of phimosis. Shaming only really happens in America and normalizing of circumcision only makes people shame intact penises more.

and of course removing a part of a penis removes the chances of penile cancer.
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100%

Babies literally die every year from a unnecessary procedure.

No, it's not a lot, but anything more than zero is too many.

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EbonTitanium posted...

Why are so many people on this board obsessed with penises?

why aren't more people concerned that a unnecessary and permanent medical procedure are done on children? If you're cool with getting cut that should be your choice when you can make an informed decision about it as an adult. It shouldn't be the default choice to circumcise a child.
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Gheb posted...

It's prevalence in America is entirely due to the influence of Christianity making it the norm. But even Christianity hasn't required circumcision in 2000 years. So it's very strange that we force it onto babies.

Look if you want it done great, but it should be because you want it done, not because your parents want it done.

Circumcision took hold in the US because of a fear of the perceived ills of jerking off, misdiagnosing of phimosis and dumbasses unable to wash their cocks.

It continues due to parents and parent's parents having it done - tradition and the screeching that would come from Jewish and Muslim groups if it were outlawed.

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ReignFury posted...

So is it not traditionally performed post puberty because of erections?

Also a good point.

If you need a circumcision at this point I'd imagine an erection would be incredibly painful during the healing process.

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I wonder if doctors make any more money doing this extra procedure?

Aren't circumcisions usually performed by trained Jewish clergy rather than doctors?
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Iodine posted...

People really do have strong opinions on Circumcision. It isn't that serious.

This type of thinking is exactly the problem. We've normalized a culture of cutting off parts of babies' genitals.

Just think about that. You're deciding to chop off part of a baby's body for no good reason. And no, it's not for health benefits. No medical organization recommends it at birth (unless for medical emergency of course).

Solid Snake07 posted...

100%

Babies literally die every year from a unnecessary procedure.

No, it's not a lot, but anything more than zero is too many.

Glad you posted this. Everyone will ignore it, though.

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bobaban posted...

I wonder if doctors make any more money doing this extra procedure?

They charge a few hundred for circumcision
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why are slug-havers so concerned about other peoples privates?

some parents were kind enough to want their kids to benefit from easier cleanup, no man-cheese, aerodynamic aesthetic looks, and girls preferring them. It wont affect you tho

As someone who is uncut, and knows someone who got cut later in life (I talked to them about it to see if I should consider), I disagree with the whole process. anything it provides as a benefit comes with a downside as well. You lose a lot of sensation, the healing process is painful, and worse is it's going to cause an evolution where we lack it entirely causing us to lose all the benefits a foreskin provides.

Its something you should make the choice to do yourself, even if it's for religious reasons. You should wait until the child is old enough to accept Moses or w/e as their Lord. Let them make informed decisions about their sex organ.

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Zikten posted...

the fact some of you don't understand why I care is so fucked up and depressing. I feel like the only sane person screaming at a crowd of maniacs

Relax and have a beer.

I dont like the idea of circumcision at all, but Western countries kill more than half a million unborn every year. Pretty sure thats way worse than snipping a dick, so Im not going to lose any sleep over either at this point.

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SolidShadow3 posted...

As someone who is uncut, and knows someone who got cut later in life (I talked to them about it to see if I should consider), I disagree with the whole process. anything it provides as a benefit comes with a downside as well. You lose a lot of sensation, the healing process is painful, and worse is it's going to cause an evolution where we lack it entirely causing us to lose all the benefits a foreskin provides.

Its something you should make the choice to do yourself, even if it's for religious reasons. You should wait until the child is old enough to accept Moses or w/e as their Lord. Let them make informed decisions about their sex organ.

it is extremely painful and scary, thats why they do it when youre a baby and dont know whats up

TopKekBro posted...

it is extremely painful and scary, thats why they do it when youre a baby and dont know whats up

Would be a shame if it had effects on the brain then, even when they are infants and don't "know what's up": https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201501/circumcision-s-psychological-damage

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Hicks233 posted...

Would be a shame if it had effects on the brain then, even when they are infants and don't "know what's up": https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201501/circumcision-s-psychological-damage

I enjoy my happy aerodynamic battle dolphin. I dont have brain damage from it.

TopKekBro posted...

I enjoy my happy aerodynamic battle dolphin. I dont have brain damage from it.

Well you call it a battle dolphin, so the jury's out on that...

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ROD? No brain damage? Maybe, but he should still take his meds poor mutie d lmao

Hicks233 posted...

Well you call it a battle dolphin, so the jury's out on that...

Haha. Got me good

TopKekBro posted...

Haha. Got me good

Let's just say you might have been dropped on your head once or twice as a little one.
Battle Dolphin does after all have a ring to it :P

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Zikten posted...

Conker posted...

unless mental health/confidence, appearance

those are all illusions. its only a factor in US society. nobody outside America unless they are Jewish, gives a fuck about their dick or has mental issues about it. and uncut people think it looks fine. you only think a cut dick looks better because you are used to it. and to you that is what "normal" is. to uncut people we see the exact opposite. like I said, the first time I saw porn and a cut actor, I thought he was diseased and it freaked me out

Idk man Patrice O'Neal has told stories of multiple foreign women he hooked up with who said that they loved his circumcised penis because it looked a lot better than the uncut men in their country. So there are people in the US that do care. Or at least they think cut looks better.

And if the procedure is going to be done it's better to be done as a newborn before you can form memories about such a thing yet or have to move around a lot, because it's not pleasant to get as an adult.
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Show me some studies on how adult men are still traumatized from being circumcised as infants, and then maybe I'll care.

wtf now we love conditioning children and cutting them up against their will

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ThanksUglyGod posted...

Show me some studies on how adult men are still traumatized from being circumcised as infants, and then maybe I'll care.

Or just don't do unnecessary surgeries on children without consent.

Weird how debatable consent is in society.

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There is no benefit to having an uncircumcised penis, while there are a plethora of benefits for having a circumcised penis.

We do it when people are babies because most people aren't going to do it as an adult because it would be much more difficult (as the penis has reached adult size) and not to mention much more painful. Circumcising a newborn is the best window of opportunity.

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Perascamin posted...

There is no benefit to having an uncircumcised penis, while there are a plethora of benefits for having a circumcised penis.

We do it when people are babies because most people aren't going to do it as an adult because it would be much more difficult (as the penis has reached adult size) and not to mention much more painful. Circumcising a newborn is the best window of opportunity.

So you like when kids have to get their penis amputated or when they get infected due to circumcision? Or what about those who commit suicide after their circumcision blaming it?

Perascamin posted...

There is no benefit to having an uncircumcised penis, while there are a plethora of benefits for having a circumcised penis.

We do it when people are babies because most people aren't going to do it as an adult because it would be much more difficult (as the penis has reached adult size) and not to mention much more painful. Circumcising a newborn is the best window of opportunity.

Dude, this is just wrong. Educate yourself before sharing your uninformed opinion as facts. There are plenty of benefits to having a foreskin and the benefits of circumcision are so minimal they do not outweigh the risks of the procedure in first world countries. Its essentially cosmetic surgery, on a person that cannot consent.

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Perascamin posted...

There is no benefit to having an uncircumcised penis, while there are a plethora of benefits for having a circumcised penis.

You have your whole penis until if and when you choose to cut some of it off

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Perascamin posted...

There is no benefit to having an uncircumcised penis, while there are a plethora of benefits for having a circumcised penis.

We do it when people are babies because most people aren't going to do it as an adult because it would be much more difficult (as the penis has reached adult size) and not to mention much more painful. Circumcising a newborn is the best window of opportunity.

As someone whos uncut, seeing circumcised penises in porn is like seeing someone who had their eyelids torn off. Its physically painful to see.

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TopKekBro posted...

* looks better
* smells better
* easier cleanup
* you cant tear your frenulum during sex
* less D cancer risk
* less std risk
* girls dont joke about its looks

As a gay man with far more experience with penises than you, none of these are remotely true.

ToPoPO posted...

Or what about those who commit suicide after their circumcision blaming it?

when and where has this happened, exactly?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-47292307
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7261193/Man-admits-botched-circumcision-baby-led-consider-suicide.html
http://www.cirp.org/library/death/

JScriv posted...

Dude, this is just wrong. Educate yourself before sharing your uninformed opinion as facts. There are plenty of benefits to having a foreskin and the benefits of circumcision are so minimal they do not outweigh the risks of the procedure in first world countries. Its essentially cosmetic surgery, on a person that cannot consent.

If you consider a higher risk of bodily infection as a result of having a foreskin to be a benefit, then you would be right. Children (and even grown men, shockingly) have been displayed to have less than appropriate hygiene.

Circumcision stuck around for as long as it has out of necessity. It's just like removing tonsils to help prevent tonsillitis, sure, maybe not everyone will develop the infection in the first place, but an ounce of prevention is the most effective deterrent to disease.

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Perascamin posted...

If you consider a higher risk of bodily infection as a result of having a foreskin to be a benefit, then you would be right. Children (and even grown men, shockingly) have been displayed to have less than appropriate hygiene.

Circumcision stuck around for as long as it has out of necessity. It's just like removing tonsils to help prevent tonsillitis, sure, maybe not everyone will develop the infection in the first place, but an ounce of prevention is the most effective deterrent to disease.

Incorrect

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It's really not that difficult to clean yourself in the shower.
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You're right that it's not hard to clean yourself, but people as a whole following through is an entirely different matter

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Prestoff posted...

Incorrect

You're incorrect

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Beveren_Rabbit posted...

It's really not that difficult to clean yourself in the shower.

Do you always shower RIGHT BEFORE sex?