Current Events > How long are people going to blame the Trump administration for covid cases?

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How long are you going to shill for Trump, TC?
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Phantom_Nook posted...

How long are you going to shill for Trump, TC

I called his response shit multiple times in this topic. I'm saying, we know his response is shit, and it's time to assume personal responsibility, like the 30 year old on r/NEET who's still blaming his parents for all of his life's failures.

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REMercsChamp posted...

I don't know who the "we" is in this but a lot of people don't hold them accountable they just say it's Trump's fault.

Nobody is doing this

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eston posted...

Nobody is doing this

Many people are doing this. "Yeah he's at the beach congregating with 10s of thousands of people but that's because Trump told him it's okay!"

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REMercsChamp posted...

I called his response shit multiple times in this topic. I'm saying, we know his response is shit, and it's time to assume personal responsibility, like the 30 year old on r/NEET who's still blaming his parents for all of his life's failures.

his cult doesn't know his response is shit. people that support trump are the same ones that guzzled bleach when he told them to. most normal people are handling the pandemic responsibly but when trumpers are out getting the virus and infecting everyone because of shit trump said it is safe to lay the blame on him

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REMercsChamp posted...

I get it and we're going in circles now. Trump's response ever since he stopped the task force meetings have been shit. But, my whole point, is the information is out there. It's like blaming a bad high school teacher because they didn't tell you something when you could easily look it up from 1000 different sources on the internet. Actually it's worse than that because the real news is all over the TV, everyone knows about. You're being willfully ignorant to accept Trump's shit.

going back to your list.

• the cdc is a federal agency, under the executive branches control. they've been horribly mismanaged and understaffed because trump has wanted it that way from the beginning. and the pandemic response units that were developed before trump came into office were disbanded.
• hospitals and all the other random crap you mentioned aren't the federal government, they have no ability to set policy or throw real money at the problem. and without guidance from the cdc or other letter agencies they've been left out in the cold.
• state and local governments have a finite budget and rely on letter agencies to help martial resources and information in national emergencies, its literally the major point of the federal government after all. but again, executive branch actively fucked the situation up and decided to let states figure this shit out. which is why we've got an inconsistent response on the state level.
• you probably mean the WHO, its the trump supporters "BUT HILLARY" equivalent response to covid after all. well seeing that they were caught by surprise as much as the rest of the world was, in part because the trump administration shuttered coronavirus mutation monitoring before the pandemic; i generally give them a pass on the early stuff. the misinformation they were pushing was part social engineering and part placating china so they could keep their people in place to monitor the spread. in the grand scheme of things, the WHO isn't important.

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As long as it continues to be Trumps fault

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monkmith posted...

going back to your list.

* the cdc is a federal agency, under the executive branches control. they've been horribly mismanaged and understaffed because trump has wanted it that way from the beginning. and the pandemic response units that were developed before trump came into office were disbanded.
* hospitals and all the other random crap you mentioned aren't the federal government, they have no ability to set policy or throw real money at the problem. and without guidance from the cdc or other letter agencies they've been left out in the cold.
* state and local governments have a finite budget and rely on letter agencies to help martial resources and information in national emergencies, its literally the major point of the federal government after all. but again, executive branch actively fucked the situation up and decided to let states figure this shit out. which is why we've got an inconsistent response on the state level.
* you probably mean the WHO, its the trump supporters "BUT HILLARY" equivalent response to covid after all. well seeing that they were caught by surprise as much as the rest of the world was, in part because the trump administration shuttered coronavirus mutation monitoring before the pandemic; i generally give them a pass on the early stuff. the misinformation they were pushing was part social engineering and part placating china so they could keep their people in place to monitor the spread. in the grand scheme of things, the WHO isn't important.

No idea wtf you are on about. That list I gave is a credible source of information about covid (I get there are some states and local governments that are bad but they are the exception not the norm).

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REMercsChamp posted...

Many people are doing this. "Yeah he's at the beach congregating with 10s of thousands of people but that's because Trump told him it's okay!"

Do you not realize that the same people blaming Trump also think people are idiots for going to beaches, bars, etc? Why do you think it's one or the other?

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eston posted...

Do you not realize that the same people blaming Trump also think people are idiots for going to beaches, bars, etc? Why do you think it's one or the other?

Sure, they think they're idiots. It's about where the responsibility ultimately falls. You can look in this topic for evidence. "Yeah they're dumb as bricks but it's Trump's fault cuz they aren't that smart"

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REMercsChamp posted...

Sure, they think they're idiots. It's about where the responsibility ultimately falls. You can look in this topic for evidence. "Yeah they're dumb as bricks but it's Trump's fault cuz they aren't that smart"

andel posted...

his cult doesn't know his response is shit. people that support trump are the same ones that guzzled bleach when he told them to. most normal people are handling the pandemic responsibly but when trumpers are out getting the virus and infecting everyone because of shit trump said it is safe to lay the blame on him

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Your problem is conflating people blaming Trump with people not taking responsibility. You can easily do both. The current mess was generated from the awful start, that's Trump's fault. I'm still wearing a mask, social distancing and all that, but it doesn't change that more people would be alive, and the disease would be far less prevalent here, if Trump didn't fuck up.

One is not mutually exclusive to the other. Wear a mask, be safe, fuck Trump.

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in the much better alternate universe where hillary won fox news is currently raking her over the coals for 3000 covid deaths and using it as proof to show she is a failure as president
in our reality over 100000 deaths is fine according to fox and its viewers

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REMercsChamp posted...

This is sort of what I'm getting at with the personal responsibility thing. If you're ignoring literally every other organization in the world other than Trump and just listening to what he says, that's not being responsible as an adult. That's going through life like an irresponsible dumb fuck.

Does Trump not have a responsibility as the Nation's leader to encourage people to respond appropriately or something?

TheOtherMike posted...

Does Trump not have a responsibility as the Nation's leader to encourage people to respond appropriately or something?

He does. But there's enough information out there, from almost literally every relevant organization that isn't the Trump admin, that you should know better 4 months into this pandemic about what's responsible behaviour, regardless of what Trump says.

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REMercsChamp posted...

No? Those other things more or less encompass credible sources of information? That's some serious paranoid shit on your end to think that's a list of propaganda outlets out to spread covid misinformation dude.

Two points:
1) I don't think they are propaganda outlets, but Trump defenders on CE often criticize them as being inaccurate to excuse his behavior. As you often trumpet his praise, I thought you were doing the same.
2) I agree they are credible, but the POTUS carries larger authority/presence to most people than say a state/local government, even BEFORE he denounces them. So yes, the majority of the blame for the current US situation rests on him (he's even tweeted how all responsibility ends with the POTUS)

REMercsChamp posted...

He does. But there's enough information out there, from almost literally every relevant organization that isn't the Trump admin, that you should know better 4 months into this pandemic about what's responsible behaviour, regardless of what Trump says.

So much a president's job is just wrangling stupid people to keep them from causing harm. What he does is enable and inflame his dumb crowd.

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REMercsChamp posted...

He does. But there's enough information out there, from almost literally every relevant organization that isn't the Trump admin, that you should know better 4 months into this pandemic about what's responsible behaviour, regardless of what Trump says.

And this exonerates Trump of all responsibility because...?

Yes people are idiots, I think we can all agree with it. But when you're a figure of authority and telling your audience not to listen to the truth you're still at fault.

People are still idiots in this situation but to cast zero blame on Trump is as ridiculous as not blaming this people that listened to him.

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Bullet_Wing posted...

The real question is, why is a Canadian like TC so obsessed with another country's leader?

"Why's America obsessed with covid I don't get it I thought it originated in China are you saying that what happens in one country has an effect on another WTF fuck man"

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REMercsChamp posted...

"Why's America obsessed with covid I don't get it I thought it originated in China are you saying that what happens in one country has an effect on another WTF fuck man"

You never really tells us how it affects your country, though.

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Guide posted...

You never really tells us how it affects your country, though.

Well you can do your own research. Even the medical officer of health in my province brought up your countries shit response in their daily briefings last week.

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REMercsChamp posted...

Sure, they think they're idiots. It's about where the responsibility ultimately falls. You can look in this topic for evidence. "Yeah they're dumb as bricks but it's Trump's fault cuz they aren't that smart"

We're talking about two different levels of responsibility here. Yes, people have a personal responsibility to protect themselves and others. If they don't do that, those peoples' responsibility on an individual level still falls waaaaaaaaay below that of the literal President of the United States who is responsible for responding to this on a national goddamn level

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REMercsChamp posted...

Well you can do your own research. Even the medical officer of health in my province brought up your countries shit response in their daily briefings last week.

Or i can just ask; what does this topic have to do with Canada?

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Guide posted...

Or i can just ask; what does this topic have to do with Canada?

It doesn't have anything to do with Canada. You should be aware by now, if you weren't before, that a problem happening in one country, originating in one country can spell disaster for your own down the line due to the interconnectedness of them. And Canada and USA are very interconnected. Just use your brain a bit.

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REMercsChamp posted...

It doesn't have anything to do with Canada. You should be aware by now, if you weren't before, that a problem happening in one country, originating in one country can spell disaster for your own down the line due to the interconnectedness of them. And Canada and USA are very interconnected. Just use your brain a bit.

Don't see the point of your post after the first sentence.

Why are you running Trump Defense Force when, by your own words, it doesn't have anything to do with Canada?

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