Current Events > How do you feel about getting people fired for being racist?

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gna647 posted...

imagine thinking this lol

Is Kevin Hart homophobic?

Did Kevin Hart say something homophobic?

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I am not a leftist and don't see the ethical dilemma tc

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I'm like 60/40 in favor. I'm opposed to racism but I also kinda think snitching to someones boss is in poor taste. So you kinda got look at it case by case.

So if it's like a doctor or teacher where their racism can seriously impact other people then you should probably report them, but getting some guy who works at Target fired seems like you're doing a bit much. But at the same time if that guy does get fired I'm not really gonna waste any sympathy on him. Does that make sense?

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shockthemonkey posted...

Sure seems that way based on all the homophobic things hes said and how he keeps putting his foot in his mouth every time he says anything that his PR team didnt write up for him.

so what should happen to him?

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shockthemonkey posted...

I dont have to work with him or employ him, not my decision. Not sure what kind of gotcha you wanted with this Kevin Hart thing

I'm trying to understand the rules.

If somebody is a transphobe should they never be employed?
If somebody is a racist should they never be employed?

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What do you mean 'the rules'? It's not some scripted thing. Kevin Hart has a fanbase who will support him so it doesn't matter what other people think 'should' happen really


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MasterVading posted...

Cancel Culture sucks period.

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it's not the solution, and it can ruin people's lives. People can change their attitudes without getting fired. Something like a suspension without pay is a good warning

fohstick posted...

it's not the solution, and it can ruin people's lives. People can change their attitudes without getting fired. Something like a suspension without pay is a good warning

Do you believe laws should exist to protect employees who say racist things?

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Depends what was said and when it was said. Are you fishing for something a person said 15-20 years ago as a dumb kid just to find dirt? No, I don't think so.

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Balrog0 posted...

What do you mean 'the rules'? It's not some scripted thing. Kevin Hart has a fanbase who will support him so it doesn't matter what other people think 'should' happen really

Isn't this topic all about what "should" happen?

There is a large consolidated group of people who believe there are obvious answers to these questions, and I am trying to understand what those answers are.

What should happen employment-wise, to transphobes, or racists, or whatever?

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CyricZ posted...

Do you believe laws should exist to protect employees who say racist things?

yes within reasonable thresholds, like someone with a good history accidentally slipping the n-word. Extreme edge cases are handled separately where getting fired is plausible

fohstick posted...

yes within reasonable thresholds, like someone with a good history accidentally slipping the n-word. Extreme edge cases are handled separately where getting fired is plausible

Who has been cancelled or fired for "accidentally" saying the N-word?

shockthemonkey posted...

Youre trying to be annoying and succeeding

No, I'm legitimately asking what is appropriate.

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This topic would probably be easier to answer if everyone had the same idea of what consists as a racist act. I'm sure there are some who are thinking of the cases where it wasn't obviously racism, while done are thinking of more obvious cases
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emblem boy posted...

This topic would probably be easier to answer if everyone had the same idea of what consists as a racist act. I'm sure there are some who are thinking of the cases where it wasn't obviously racism, while done are thinking of more obvious cases

As I understand it, the modern definition of "racist" encompasses "wanting to murder people of a different race" as well as "saying All Lives Matter"

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fohstick posted...

yes within reasonable thresholds, like someone with a good history accidentally slipping the n-word. Extreme edge cases are handled separately where getting fired is plausible

How does one "accidentally" say the n-word?

I admit I didn't expect you to actually address the absurd notion that laws could be drafted that protected "racism within reason".

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CyricZ posted...

How does one "accidentally" say the n-word?

I admit I didn't expect you to actually address the absurd notion that laws could be drafted that protected "racism within reason".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SChVB6zRtrU

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Hilarious, but still just a TV show.

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It really depends. Was it in the workplace? then obviously yes, your degrading a potential customer. Outside of the workplace? it really depends. If it was linked back to the employer then yes, they should fire them. But if it was an isolated incident that was taken out of context? Hard to say.

Best example was when someone falsely tweets they were raped by someone, and before an investigation even happens the company fires the so called "racist" person, without doing any fact checking.

Wait, why would anyone fire someone accused of rape for being a racist?

But to answer your second paragraph in what I believe was the intended spirit, you're assuming no fact-checking has taken place because you weren't involved.

Let us take one of the recent scandals surrounding EVO. Mr. Joey Cullar was removed from his position not long after the allegations were made. Was this done because the others in charge of EVO saw the accusation, immediately believed it, and removed Mr. Cullar? Or did they do their own internal investigation (which may have involved direct questioning of Mr. Cullar) and come to the conclusion that the accusation was credible?

Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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As a black male I'm for it. I don't want to work with anyone who doesn't like me for nothing I've done to them besides existing. That's not fair to me or anyone else I work with to have to potentially deal with someone treating me differently when we're all trying to accomplish the same goal.

Also, you don't "accidentally" say the n-word. I hold myself to a standard to not say it so and so should others.

CyricZ posted...

Wait, why would anyone fire someone accused of rape for being a racist?

But to answer your second paragraph in what I believe was the intended spirit, you're assuming no fact-checking has taken place because you weren't involved.

Let us take one of the recent scandals surrounding EVO. Mr. Joey Cullar was removed from his position not long after the allegations were made. Was this done because the others in charge of EVO saw the accusation, immediately believed it, and removed Mr. Cullar? Or did they do their own internal investigation (which may have involved direct questioning of Mr. Cullar) and come to the conclusion that the accusation was credible?

Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I point to the literal dozens of wrestlers that are getting fired as we speak. Many people have come out and accused them, and many of them lost their jobs literally the day it was posted. So yeah, my point is very valid. We live in a world where its act now, ask questions later. 1 day is not enough time to have a full investigation. I don't care who you are. Suspend them yes, but don't fire them until you get full facts.

One example was Enzo Amore. He was accused by some women of sexual assault. Suspended and fired the same day. Turns out the woman lied about the encounter. He wasn't offered his job back.

I know myself, I've been fired at least once without an investigation happening. Was working as security for a site, did my shift and the next day I was being told I was being let go. When I asked why, they said that a bunch of our security staff were leaving and going home during their shifts. So rather than investigating properly, they just let the lot of us go. Another time I was moved from a job position because a person who had nothing to do with our company complained about where I was sitting(for reference our security office combined with another office, I was sitting in the other office due to the security office being very cramped with the 2 of us there, literally no one complained about it except 1 person, which caused me to lose that position). Luckily that same company lost the majority of their job sites and can't get them back.

Also yeah, I screwed up the spelling of rapist, can't edit it now.

Firing people for something totally unrelated to their job is monstrously unethical. The exception is if it actually affects their job, or if it's something really outlandish like leading hate rallies.

It's an unfortunate situation. We have this cancerous "never forgive, dig up anything no matter how far in the past then delete/fire/cancel anything involved with the person" cancel culture. It's backwards, amoral, and shameful.

Then we have the far right lunatics capitalizing on it for political gain. As my signature says, people need to nip this EVIL cancel culture in the bud. Don't give the far left power.

Joe Biden may not have been the best choice, but thank goodness from unrealistic far left lunatic didn't win the nomination. The center must rise. Enough. That doesn't, however, mean pandering to Trump's most devote racist Christian supremacist (while denouncing actual Christian values as "too liberal") followers.

I am sick and tired of "moral" outrage hate mobs ignoring apologies and digging in on events that happened years ago. ENOUGH!

Edit:
And obviously racism on the job at all or related to the job at all is grounds for firing.
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If you do/say racist shit and get fired for it, \_()_/

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Voxwik posted...

Firing people for something totally unrelated to their job is monstrously unethical. The exception is if it actually affects their job, or if it's something really outlandish like leading hate rallies.

"Something really outlandish" feels like you're trying to weasel out from the firm line you drew in the first sentence.

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Anteaterking posted...

"Something really outlandish" feels like you're trying to weasel out from the firm line you drew in the first sentence.

It depends.

Some random person making an offensive joke in a private party for example, or tweeting such a joke, then someone 5, 10, 20+ years later digging it up and getting them fired is ridiculous.

Some random person outright leading a hate rally and building up a large public profile is another matter entirely.

The question is, could someone that racist actually operate without bringing it into their job too? I don't have an answer for that.

What I do know I feel is that it's taken to an extreme nowadays, with people demanding firings in minutes (for real), apologies meaning nothing at all to people, and angry mobs pretty much demanding people be made homeless if they say the wrong things or think the wrong things.

The extent to which the mob mentality has formed virtual lynch mobs demanding firings and cancellations and pretty much modern day book burning is downright evil. That isn't an endorsement of nut jobs like the president, but that doesn't mean everything he says is wrong either.

Both President Trump and President Obama have called out cancel culture for what it is.
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Fair next. Companies are all about image and racists are bad for anyone's image

shockthemonkey posted...

He got fired because he didnt tell WWE he was under investigation, not because of what the allegations were.

Which he didn't find out about until that very day it went public, so literally 0 time to tell them he was under investigation.

shockthemonkey posted...

Thats not true and its strange that youre choosing that case specifically compared to more recent ones that would actually support your argument.

Because all the recent wrestling related accusations for the most part started with that one. There were others going on at the time, but none related to wrestling. And I'm not going to argue details you can look up yourself. He found out, let Vince know about the thing, Vince told him to go home and the next day he was fired. Months later the case was dropped due to lack of evidence on her side, which could be because her story kept changing.

If somebody is racist towards a customer or coworker, I find it hard to keep them in that position (even with counseling), as these types of mindsets generally take repeated exposures to change.

The man who marched in Charlottesville and was caught yelling "Jews will not replace us" on tape - it was outside work, but I can see him being let go immediately.

As for the "we should keep them employed and educate them" argument - if it's just me, sure, but is it fair to customers and coworkers to keep somebody being racist towards them? Do we tell the customers/coworkers "I'm sorry you had to go through that, but you just need to suck it up and be the better man till we shift the employees mindset"?