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I wonder what he did. Never agreed with him but haven't seen him pissed before.

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You know Joel we really are the warned of us

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Couldnt happen to a nicer guy

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Spooking posted...

I'm ok with this.

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Should be BANNED

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btw i recommend everyone to block him since he likes going around spoiling people because hurr durr here's a study that says actually you like spoilers!

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Choco posted...

btw i recommend everyone to block him since he likes going around spoiling people because hurr durr here's a study that says actually you like spoilers!

Is that why he's warned?

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idk

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He's worse than Draje
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GiftedACIII posted...

He's worse than Draje

Damn

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Choco posted...

btw i recommend everyone to block him since he likes going around spoiling people because hurr durr here's a study that says actually you like spoilers!

What, I've never seen him do that. Luckily I don't care about spoilers

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scar the 1 posted...

What, I've never seen him do that. Luckily I don't care about spoilers

Ive never seen him do it either. There is a user here notorious for it but I forget their name.

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Shablagoo posted...

Ive never seen him do it either. There is a user here notorious for it but I forget their name.

Izual. British troll whos constantly banned. Im not sure what his current one is though. He might be taking a break.
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GiftedACIII posted...

He's worse than Draje

Theyre both uniquely awful but at least Draje has never spread conspiracy theories that allege the Holodomor genocide didnt happen

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ASithLord7 posted...

Theyre both uniquely awful but at least Draje has never spread conspiracy theories that allege the Holodomor genocide didnt happen

Uhm, joel doesn't do that

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scar the 1 posted...

Uhm, joel doesn't do that

He blames it on weather patterns

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Balrog0 posted...

He blames it on weather patterns

I have asked him about it because I was curious and no he doesn't.

EDIT: Well unless he lied to me but I'm inclined to believe him since I've seen how incompetent CE generally is at representing what other people say or think

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scar the 1 posted...

I have asked him about it because I was curious and no he doesn't.

I've seen him blame it on the weather more than once, it's great he's changed his tune

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Balrog0 posted...

I've seen him blame it on the weather more than once, it's great he's changed his tune

I'm sure that's the whole story

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scar the 1 posted...

EDIT: Well unless he lied to me but I'm inclined to believe him since I've seen how incompetent CE generally is at representing what other people say or think

It's happened more than once, the first time I saw it he said something like 'i didn't know they could control the weather'

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scar the 1 posted...

I'm sure that's the whole story

And I'm sure you're going to believe your buddy regardless of the truth. I don't have any reason to lie, so you believe what you want

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Balrog0 posted...

And I'm sure you're going to believe your buddy regardless of the truth. I don't have any reason to lie, so you believe what you want

Well when he's not around to clarify and no one is giving any context other than hyperbole then of course I believe the more detailed explanation, duh

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Balrog0 posted...

It's happened more than once, the first time I saw it he said something like 'i didn't know they could control the weather'

Yep. And another time he implied the victims did it to themselves.

hes also recommended a debunked book that claims its all a nazi conspiracy

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What was his more detailed explanation

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scar the 1 posted...

Well when he's not around to clarify and no one is giving any context other than hyperbole then of course I believe the more detailed explanation, duh

You can easily google and find his posts about it

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The most Ive seen Joel say about the Holodomor is that it was more complicated than Stalin the evil man killed everybody.

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Shablagoo posted...

The most Ive seen Joel say about the Holodomor is that it was more complicated than Stalin the evil man killed everybody.

ASithLord7 posted...

You can easily google and find his posts about it

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@scar_the_1 @Shablagoo

averagejoel
06/28/18 10:52:05 AM
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undefined posted...

dont be a tankie. the holodomor was genocide.

so do you think stalin paid the clouds not to rain or wha

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Shablagoo posted...

The most Ive seen Joel say about the Holodomor is that it was more complicated than Stalin the evil man killed everybody.

Like I said, the first time I saw him deny it it was a straight up denial, "I didn't know they could control the weather"

Maybe in his mind he was making a nuanced point but that's not what it looked like to me. I don't think you can blame the holodomor on poor weather at all, but even if you do it's certainly not supposed to be a way to obfuscate what else happened...

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Oh yeah even worse wording than I recalled

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@scar_the_1 @Shablagoo

<i>there was a drought. not just in the Ukraine. over most of the Soviet Union

stalin recognized that he would need more grain, so he attempted to buy grain from the kulaks (farmers and landowners). they burned their grain in response.

how is that stalin's fault?</i>

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@scar_the_1@Shablagoo

<quote>umber for Stalin also varies a lot depending on which deaths are counted. for example, the famine in the Ukraine, commonly called the Holodomor, is often falsely referred to as a genocide, and those deaths attributed erroneously to Stalin.

there are also greatly exaggerated accounts of deaths in the gulags (some of which record the number of deaths as being greater than the total number of people who were imprisoned in the gulags). to give some context: at the height of imprisonment in the gulags (during world war 2), the population imprisoned was comparable, proportionally, to the imprisoned population in the US today. living conditions and rates of illness and death were also not significantly different from prisons in other countries at the same time.

there are also exaggerations of the purges, both in numbers and intent, and it is virtually always ignored that the people targeted by Stalin were trying to dismantle the state. this is called treason, and most countries at the time had similar penalties for such transgressions</quote>

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@scar_the_1 @Shablagoo

<q>wiki is usually good, but most of the stuff you find there on the soviet union is bad and has its roots in nazi propaganda

it was not a genocide. there was a drought in most of the soviet union, and farmers burned their grain when stalin tried to buy it from them</q>

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Balrog0 posted...

What was his more detailed explanation

Again it's a little weird to have this conversation without him but essentially it was something like this:

Of course the actual Holodomor happened, what is contested is whether it should be classified as genocide, since for example kulaks would burn their own land rather than hand over crops, and a bunch of other circumstances.
Bottom line however is that Stalin was complicit and responsible, no matter if it's technically genocide or not.

A personal reflection is that it's a very similar situation to the Bengal famine of '43 and yet people are not so happy to condemn Churchill. I'm less interested in whether they're classified as genocides and more interested in consistency.

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And when you compare that explanation to the things he's said about it in the past, do you think that's a fair explanation of his views or does that seem different than what he had said in the past?

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scar the 1 posted...

Again it's a little weird to have this conversation without him but essentially it was something like this:

Of course the actual Holodomor happened, what is contested is whether it should be classified as genocide, since for example kulaks would burn their own land rather than hand over crops, and a bunch of other circumstances.
Bottom line however is that Stalin was complicit and responsible, no matter if it's technically genocide or not.

A personal reflection is that it's a very similar situation to the Bengal famine of '43 and yet people are not so happy to condemn Churchill. I'm less interested in whether they're classified as genocides and more interested in consistency.

May I ask why, exactly? Whether or not you consider the Holodomor a genocide doesn't excuse Stalin's actions and serves to show a very concerning set of biases you espouse.

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scar the 1 posted...

A personal reflection is that it's a very similar situation to the Bengal famine of '43 and yet people are not so happy to condemn Churchill. I'm less interested in whether they're classified as genocides and more interested in consistency.

Do you think average Joel would defend Churchill the way he defended Stalin?

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ASithLord7 posted...

@scar_the_1 @Shablagoo

<i>there was a drought. not just in the Ukraine. over most of the Soviet Union

stalin recognized that he would need more grain, so he attempted to buy grain from the kulaks (farmers and landowners). they burned their grain in response.

how is that stalin's fault?</i>

So, is this what happened or are you saying he made it up? Im not well-versed on the subject but if hes right and the farm-owners chose to burn their crops rather than sell it to help feed others during a famine (even if at a reduced price), then yeah I find that morally wrong of them.

ASithLord7 posted...

@scar_the_1@Shablagoo

<quote>umber for Stalin also varies a lot depending on which deaths are counted. for example, the famine in the Ukraine, commonly called the Holodomor, is often falsely referred to as a genocide, and those deaths attributed erroneously to Stalin.

there are also greatly exaggerated accounts of deaths in the gulags (some of which record the number of deaths as being greater than the total number of people who were imprisoned in the gulags). to give some context: at the height of imprisonment in the gulags (during world war 2), the population imprisoned was comparable, proportionally, to the imprisoned population in the US today. living conditions and rates of illness and death were also not significantly different from prisons in other countries at the same time.

there are also exaggerations of the purges, both in numbers and intent, and it is virtually always ignored that the people targeted by Stalin were trying to dismantle the state. this is called treason, and most countries at the time had similar penalties for such transgressions</quote>

This seems like he is dipping into whataboutism. Which doesnt excuse the Soviet Union but I can see why overdemonizing them without acknowledging other nations did the same is hypocritical. For example, Churchills policies led to the famine in Bengal ~10 years later that killed 3 million people.

Again, this is assuming all the information Joels presenting here is accurate. If youre saying its not, let me know.

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Balrog0 posted...

Do you think average Joel would defend Churchill the way he defended Stalin?

Lol he loses his shit any time Churchill is mentioned

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Balrog0 posted...

And when you compare that explanation to the things he's said about it in the past, do you think that's a fair explanation of his views or does that seem different than what he had said in the past?

I think it's pretty consistent yeah. He doesn't think it was a genocide.

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scar the 1 posted...

I think it's pretty consistent yeah.

Alright, well I think you're being overly generous to your pal who has literally said it wasn't Stalin's fault in the past despite insisting he thinks he's culpable to you.

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Balrog0 posted...

Do you think average Joel would defend Churchill the way he defended Stalin?

It's a good question. I'll remember to ask him if he thinks the Bengal famine is a genocide. I don't really know his opinions on Stalin in general but you know it's possible to think he was bad and to think the Holodomor wasn't a genocide at the same time right

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Yeah but just read what he said above in the posts that have been shared. Show me where he thinks Stalin was culpable and for what

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I do also want to point out that his general defense is that it was a natural famine that was bigger than the Ukraine so it isn't a genocide... Which seems to mean he is saying the weather is the problem

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Who?

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