Current Events > Does Germany still have people flying the Nazi flag/building Hitler statues?

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Why not? It's a part of their history isnt it?

Oh, because Germany actually has shame about their past deeds and don't worship literal traitors like good old freedom loving muricans do.

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I'm sure that there would be some Germans who would like to, even if very few, but it's illegal, iirc.

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boxington posted...

I'm sure that there would be some Germans who would like to, even if very few, but it's illegal, iirc.

As it should be. Worshipping traitors should be considered a form of treason.

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You can (and should) call the Nazis a lot of different things, but I'm not sure that traitors quite applies.
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japan still flies their imperial flag, honors their class A war criminals, and denies nanking death toll numbers

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TheGreatGeno6 posted...

As it should be. Worshipping traitors should be considered a form of treason.

Blind nationalism was the problem to begin with.

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Shouldn't we technically get rid of every American monument erected before the end of the Jim Crow era? Shit.. Reagan had policies that were extremely racist.

What about most old world monuments? Most people in power have always been evil fucks who did fucked up shit. Religious figures, monarchs, war heroes. Powerful historical figures who were known for pedophilia, rape, slavery, etc.

This is not an argument for confederate monuments but a question on where the line should be drawn.
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HerbSaunders posted...

Shouldn't we technically get rid of every American monument erected before the end of the Jim Crow era? Shit.. Reagan had policies that were extremely racist.

What about most old world monuments? Most people in power have always been evil fucks who did fucked up shit. Religious figures, monarchs, war heroes. Powerful historical figures who were known for pedophilia, rape, slavery, etc.

This is not an argument for confederate monuments but a question on where the line should be drawn.

Monuments of traitor generals should be torn down and flying the flag flown by traitors should be shamed and ridiculed.

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HerbSaunders posted...

Shouldn't we technically get rid of every American monument erected before the end of the Jim Crow era? Shit.. Reagan had policies that were extremely racist.

What about most old world monuments? Most people in power have always been evil fucks who did fucked up shit. Religious figures, monarchs, war heroes. Powerful historical figures who were known for pedophilia, rape, slavery, etc.

This is not an argument for confederate monuments but a question on where the line should be drawn.

You can still learn about the past without honouring people who did horrible things. Having constant reminders that people who oppressed others, or whoever it might be ancestors, lauded as "great people" isn't something we should want in a modern country.

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pretty sure there's a fairly strong neo-nazi/nationalist party in germany so...

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TheGreatGeno6 posted...

As it should be. Worshipping traitors should be considered a form of treason.

The Queen of England would like to have a word with you then.

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TheGreatGeno6 posted...

Monuments of traitor generals should be torn down and flying the flag flown by traitors should be shamed and ridiculed.

So.. Being traitorous is the issue as opposed to being horrible people?
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monkmith posted...

pretty sure there's a fairly strong neo-nazi/nationalist party in germany so...

AFD? They're terrible but I'd take them over the present day American Republican Party. Republicans these days are only a very tiny bit better than the literal 1930s Nazi Party.

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HerbSaunders posted...

So.. Being traitorous is the issue as opposed to being horrible people?

They cant be both?

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HerbSaunders posted...

So.. Being traitorous is the issue as opposed to being horrible people?

Exactly. God forbid anyone goes against Father Germany. Genocide though? Yeah we'll play it by ear.

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Because its illegal full stop.

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Funkydog posted...

You can still learn about the past without honouring people who did horrible things. Having constant reminders that people who oppressed others, or whoever it might be ancestors, lauded as "great people" isn't something we should want in a modern country.

So should virtually every historical monument be housed with in museums so we can erect modern monuments reflective of the current era?

Or is there a line where it's ok to have a monument to a 1400 year old pedophile or a 1000 year old rapist?
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Wii_Shaker posted...

Exactly. God forbid anyone goes against Father Germany. Genocide though? Yeah we'll play it by ear.

They're not mutually exclusive and I never claimed them to be, other people itt are making that idiotic claim

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ZeroX91 posted...

Because its illegal full stop.

Yes. And it should be illegal here too, full stop

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TheGreatGeno6 posted...

They're not mutually exclusive and I never claimed them to be, other people itt are making that idiotic claim

Why does it matter then if they are traitors? Shouldn't being a Nazi be reason enough to discredit/ dislike them?

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

You can (and should) call the Nazis a lot of different things, but I'm not sure that traitors quite applies.

you can easily make the argument they are

No but the USA has statues and memorials dedicated to Nazis and SS members, even streets named after them. Actually Germany has streets named after some of the same Nazis

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TheGreatGeno6 posted...

Yes. And it should be illegal here too, full stop

Okay? *shrugs* Not sure why you think im defending the conferate flag. Nazis still exist in germany only reason you dont see the swasticka is because its illegal.

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TheGreatGeno6 posted...

AFD? They're terrible but I'd take them over the present day American Republican Party. Republicans these days are only a very tiny bit better than the literal 1930s Nazi Party.

You would take literal nazis over republicans.......

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WashYourHands posted...

You would take literal nazis over republicans.....

A distinction without a difference

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TheGreatGeno6 posted...

A distinction without a difference

nice burn

Poop2 posted...

nice burn

It may seem like I'm joking but I fully believe most republicans would do things just as horrible as the nazis did if we as a society allowed them to.

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Germany does have a memorial to traitors. The resistance to the Nazi Government. Treason isn't always wrong. Sometimes it is the only moral and ethical solution to a murderous oppressive regime. Being a traitor to one's own country is perfectly fine if your country is a warmongering monster that is also assembly line murdering people that it views as less than human.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_to_the_German_Resistance

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HerbSaunders posted...

So should virtually every historical monument be housed with in museums so we can erect modern monuments reflective of the current era?

Or is there a line where it's ok to have a monument to a 1400 year old pedophile or a 1000 year old rapist?

It's almost like this is being ignored because it's a question that requires thought as opposed to a copy and pasted predetermined argument.
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HerbSaunders posted...

It's almost like this is being ignored because it's a question that requires thought as opposed to a copy and pasted predetermined argument.

I mean if Muhamad hasnt been canceled i dont see why we should cancel hypothetical 1400 year old pedo.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Germany does have a memorial to traitors. The resistance to the Nazi Government. Treason isn't always wrong. Sometimes it is the only moral and ethical solution to a murderous oppressive regime. Being a traitor to one's own country is perfectly fine if your country is a warmongering monster that is also assembly line murdering people that it views as less than human.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_to_the_German_Resistance

Y'all are getting to hung up on the traitor thing. The traitor argument doesnt really apply to germany, but it certainly applies to the confederacy and everyone who fought for it.

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Funkydog posted...

Having constant reminders that people who oppressed others, or whoever it might be ancestors, lauded as "great people" isn't something we should want in a modern country.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5z8uKEepW2w

tear it down

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Germany also paid a ton of reparations to Jewish Germans for decades after the war in an effort to heal the nation. Lincoln tried to do similar here but his successor, Andrew Johnson, went back on the deal and gave all the land to Confederate traitors instead.

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ZeroX91 posted...

I mean if Muhamad hasnt been canceled i dont see why we should cancel hypothetical 1400 year old pedo.

Well geez man, I was trying to trap someone into saying the hypothetical 1400 year old pedophile should be cancelled and then hit them with the Muhammad card.
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HerbSaunders posted...

Well geez man, I was trying to trap someone into saying the hypothetical 1400 year old pedophile should be cancelled and then hit them with the Muhammad card.

Well shit.... uhhh....great minds?

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Germany still has statues and military bases named after people in the Wehrmacht.

Not sure why people make this argument when it doesn't work.

ZeroX91 posted...

Well shit.... uhhh....great minds?

It's really a conundrum for the standard liberal justice fighter.

Defend a child rapist or defend Islam... *head splatter*

You could say it was common for the time and not looked upon as bad, but so was slavery up until fairly recently.
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