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ledbowman
07/16/20 5:57:39 PM
#51:


EverDownward posted...
Cannon is just one representative so far

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Pogo_Marimo
07/16/20 5:58:10 PM
#52:


Like, let's me very clear here, and work from a couple axioms.

  1. Anybody is capable of supremacist thought. Supremacist ideology is naturally irrational and based off of a curated world view to maintain, and it's something even socially disadvantaged/oppressed people can believe.
  2. People with supremacist ideologies will naturally gravitate towards movements designed to improve their own races' position in society, even if the movement itself is generally compassionate or judicious.
Vis a vis, we can expect Black Supremacists to gravitate towards BLM strictly due to their own self-serving agenda, and would obviously want to hijack the platform as a means of broadcasting their message, as this is a behavior that's seen from most forms of Supremacists (Just look at all the fucking dogwhistles in the Trump campaign over the last four years. Good lord....). We don't prevent this from happening by covering our ears and shouting down our critics, because that just makes us complicit in the work of the Supremacists. I would be ashamed and critical of any white people who don't call out the Trump Campaign's racism, and would try to oust them from my own political affiliations even if it's just by calling out the behavior publicly. I would expect the same of our allies in BLM who are fighting for a more just and equal society, and I'll never stop holding them to account just because the cause itself is just on the surface.

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CyricZ
07/16/20 6:13:36 PM
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There's a considerable difference between holding individuals to account and holding "black people" to account.

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I4NRulez
07/16/20 6:29:31 PM
#54:


Pogo_Marimo posted...
"Don't give us cautionary wisdom! That sounds too close to criticism! REEEE! ALT-RIGHT! CANCELLED!"


Pogo_Marimo posted...
Yes you fucking muppet, that's why he's saying not to let it happen.

"Don't give us cautionary wisdom! That sounds too close to criticism! REEEE! ALT-RIGHT! CANCELLED!"

If you literally cannot even address or regulate the more radical components within your movement when it's the easiest (the same radical elements that exist in any political movement, mind you), then why should anyone trust you to moderate your cause as it gains political influence? This should be a slam dunk thing. A public figure issues a reasonable warning about the risks of radicalism in the age of the internet. Your movement should then go,

"Black Lives Matter does not support or condone any kind of ideology of racial supremacy, be it black or white. Black Lives Matter stands for equality of all people."

Then the public figure would response,

"I'm impressed by the response of BLM to prevent radical elements from becoming embolden within their movement. They are truly exemplars of social justice, blah blah blah, round of applause for everyone".

Every reasonable person pats themself on the back for taking the most basic of steps in preventing extremists minority elements from getting too frisky.

Instead, Twitter tries to cancel Terry Crews when he didn't even criticize BLM, let alone say something actually offensive or slanderous. This is the political theater verson of a layup, and the BLM community blew chunks over their Jordan's.

its crazy how you can type that much and still miss the point

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I4NRulez
07/16/20 6:31:45 PM
#55:


CyricZ posted...
For what? Letting Gabrielle Union twist in the wind?

Nah, he didnt help her cause black people coming together is black supremacy

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MajesticFerret
07/16/20 6:32:16 PM
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Tl;Dr: Being a racism apologist is a pretty shitty take.

I4NRulez posted...
No he was playing boogie man for an issue that's never been a problem.

It can very quickly become a problem. People can endure double standards for a short period of time, but if it goes on long enough, there will be issues. The problem wasn't that racism exists in the black community, it's that racism this overt and extreme and transparent exists and he barely even apologized for it and doubled down, meanwhile we have good natured white people that ACTUALLY care for people of other race out here getting cancelled for soft racist shit they did like 20 yrs ago when the bar was far different then.

It's double standards, rules for the not me plain and simple.

No one is preaching black supremacy

Except Nick Cannon and everyone who is defending him, which is apparently a lot of people.
Honestly, this is even worse than the shit Trump supporters do and play Devil's Advocacy for him. At least in Trump's case, a lot of his rhetoric could be interpreted as 'not-racist' depending on how you interpret it and in full context, where there is ZERO context where Cannon's rhetoric isn't straight out of Mein Kampf just swapping Aryans with black people.

Blacks fighting for equality doesn't mean its going to turn into black supremacy.

Then why defend Nick Cannon in any shape or form? It's so much easier just to call him a racist and move the fuck on, yet you can't seem to do that. Why?

At no point have whites been pushed out of BLM.

BLM will push out other blacks if they aren't 100% behind everything the movement is doing.
You can be "pro police brutality against black people" and still have plenty of criticism.

...like the original leaders of it being Marxists and registered terrorists.
...like BLM not being a non-profit organization and no one will seem to answer where the hell all the money is going and even the Floyds have come out wondering where all the money being supposedly donated to their family is going. Most signs point that the money is going too...surprise, suprise, rich white liberals.
...like the extreme Devil's Advocacy for any rioting and looting or defending the killing of cops by protestors in any shape or form.
...like a lot of BLM members are very clear that they want the police defunded entirely or to an obscene extent, which is already proving to be a really stupid take in most cities where the cops have gone on strike.
...like the fact that we have recent MURDER cases for daughters advocating for Blue Lives Matter whose dad's who were cops were killed by BLM supporters, and then they get killed or cancelled.

The message of BLM is great, but the greatest enemy isn't someone who says they are your enemy, the greatest enemy is someone who pretends to be your friend. If you're out there murdering innocent cops or daughters of cops on the behalf of BLM, this seems to be pretty crystal clear that you think "Black lives > Blue lives."

At this point, it's extremely easy to hijack BLM, murder some cops, shuffle around millions in donation money and spread some anarchist agendas under the guise of helping black people and people will defend you as long as you attribute it to trying to help the BLM cause...

This is similar to how Jihadi starts. Muslims approve of Allah, bad muslims do bad shit but say it is in Allah's name, and then when you attack the extremists the good Muslims will play Devil's Advocacy for the bad ones because they feel it is an attack on their religion simply because saying bad shit is for a positive purpose seems to be enough to sucker good people in defending bad actions when they want a movement to be positive so badly.

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cjsdowg
07/16/20 6:33:16 PM
#57:


creativerealms posted...
People are admitting it.

The only people who are admitted as the people who liked the tap dancing to start with.

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I4NRulez
07/16/20 6:34:20 PM
#58:


MajesticFerret posted...
Then why defend Nick Cannon in any shape or form? It's so much easier just to call him a racist and move the f*** on, yet you can't seem to do that. Why?

I have said he was racist and what he said was racist

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cjsdowg
07/16/20 6:35:05 PM
#59:


Pogo_Marimo posted...
Like, let's me very clear here, and work from a couple axioms.

1. Anybody is capable of supremacist thought. Supremacist ideology is naturally irrational and based off of a curated world view to maintain, and it's something even socially disadvantaged/oppressed people can believe.
2. People with supremacist ideologies will naturally gravitate towards movements designed to improve their own races' position in society, even if the movement itself is generally compassionate or judicious.
Vis a vis, we can expect Black Supremacists to gravitate towards BLM strictly due to their own self-serving agenda, and would obviously want to hijack the platform as a means of broadcasting their message, as this is a behavior that's seen from most forms of Supremacists (Just look at all the fucking dogwhistles in the Trump campaign over the last four years. Good lord....). We don't prevent this from happening by covering our ears and shouting down our critics, because that just makes us complicit in the work of the Supremacists. I would be ashamed and critical of any white people who don't call out the Trump Campaign's racism, and would try to oust them from my own political affiliations even if it's just by calling out the behavior publicly. I would expect the same of our allies in BLM who are fighting for a more just and equal society, and I'll never stop holding them to account just because the cause itself is just on the surface.

70% of white people voted for Trump knowing he was racist. and you people want to fucking talk about Nick Cannon. Good lord.

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dave_is_slick
07/16/20 6:37:53 PM
#60:


MajesticFerret posted...
At least in Trump's case, a lot of his rhetoric could be interpreted as 'not-racist' depending on how you interpret it and in full context,
Err, what?

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dave_is_slick
07/16/20 6:38:35 PM
#61:


cjsdowg posted...
and you people want to f***ing talk about Nick Cannon. Good lord.
Yes. Racism is racism.

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ButteryMales
07/16/20 6:41:16 PM
#62:


dave_is_slick posted...
Yes. One black guy being racist > infinite white people.
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dave_is_slick
07/16/20 6:47:24 PM
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ButteryMales posted...
Yes. One black guy being racist > infinite white people.
  1. Weird twisting of my words that actually doesn't accomplish what you think it does.
  2. Yes, it's called nipping it in the bud. Nobody ever nips anything in the bud which is why so many problems with simple solutions have turned into monsters with no simple solution.

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cjsdowg
07/16/20 6:49:30 PM
#64:


dave_is_slick posted...
Yes. Racism is racism.

And 70% of white people supported him. While no where near that number of black people support Nick.

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ButteryMales
07/16/20 6:54:42 PM
#65:


dave_is_slick posted...
Weird twisting of my words that actually doesn't accomplish what you think it does.
Weird you understood what I was going for yet somehow it doesn't convey that. Almost like it has accomplished its goal.

dave_is_slick posted...
Yes, it's called nipping it in the bud.
It's called you're making a mountain out of a mole hill because you're dog whistling.
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dave_is_slick
07/16/20 6:58:21 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
And 70% of white people supported him. While no where near that number of black people support Nick.

ButteryMales posted...
Weird you understood what I was going for yet somehow it doesn't convey that. Almost like it has accomplished its goal.

It's called you're making a mountain out of a mole hill because you're dog whistling.
So you "solutions" are to bury your heads in the sand until this becomes the monster with no simple solution. Great plan!

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gamepimp12
07/16/20 6:58:27 PM
#67:


fan357 posted...
Its amazing how upset people are at Terry Crews. Its like you live in a bomb shelter or something. There are some very racist black people out there and we dont want them to twist BLM to their horrible vision. We want equality. We dont want any race to be viewed as better than any other.

people are upset with terry crews because he now has a track record of impeding pro black movements to appease white people, this isnt a single thing.... like hes been doing this for over two years now.


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I4NRulez
07/16/20 6:59:12 PM
#68:


gamepimp12 posted...
people are upset with terry crews because he now has a track record of impeding pro black movements to appease white people, this isnt a single thing.... like hes been doing this for over two years now.

He also does it for Same sex families too

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ButteryMales
07/16/20 6:59:49 PM
#69:


dave_is_slick posted...
So you "solutions" are to bury your heads in the sand until this becomes the monster with no simple solution. Great plan!
You think white genocide is real?
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dave_is_slick
07/16/20 7:00:26 PM
#70:


ButteryMales posted...
You think white genocide is real?
Again, another weird twisting of my words.

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ButteryMales
07/16/20 7:01:26 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...
Again, another weird twisting of my words.
You don't know what a question is?
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cjsdowg
07/16/20 7:06:44 PM
#72:


dave_is_slick posted...
So you "solutions" are to bury your heads in the sand until this becomes the monster with no simple solution. Great plan!

I am not burying my head. I have said Nick should not have said those things. But I am not going to suggest that Nick issues are as bad the other issues out there like Terry does. No one ever said there were not black people who said racist things. We said it is a drop in the bucket in power and scope compared to the what BLM is fighting .

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Pogo_Marimo
07/16/20 10:07:59 PM
#73:


cjsdowg posted...
70% of white people voted for Trump knowing he was racist. and you people want to fucking talk about Nick Cannon. Good lord.
This may come as a surprise to you, but we can criticize both.


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ButteryMales
07/16/20 10:24:01 PM
#74:


Pogo_Marimo posted...
This may come as a surprise to you, but we can criticize both.
You're not though.
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Pogo_Marimo
07/17/20 3:11:36 PM
#75:


ButteryMales posted...
You're not though.
Well, this topic isn't about white supremacists, so you're totally right.

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josifrees
07/17/20 3:12:38 PM
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BLM the organization was already taken over by the FBi

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