Current Events > Minimum wage workers cannot afford rent in any U.S. state

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KStateKing17 posted...

The belief that minimum wage is for teenagers has been around for quite a while.

it's not a belief, it's a statistical fact. The (just barely) majority are under 24, which is high school and college. Statistics don't lump people 65+ from the 25+ so it gets difficult to tell how much are actual adults in shitty situations and how much are retired folks looking to earn a little extra and have a reason to get out of the house.

KStateKing17 posted...

The federal minimum has been the same for over a decade.

indeed, so make arguments that support why it should be raised instead of saying things that aren't true. It should be raised, it's not meant to be stagnant for 11 years.

The argument, "even mcdonalds thinks the min wage is to low", that's a good argument. The argument, "So HoW DoEs McDoNalDs OpErAte 24/7!?!?!" is not.

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Chicken_Butt posted...

Reasonable 1br apartments should be affordable to any full-time minimum wage worker. And by affordable, I mean they can live there, pay all their bills and utilities, and still have some money for groceries, gas, and a little left over to save, invest or spend.

You are advocating for a value you can't even determine. If someone lives in a city where the government intentionally limits the supply of housing to drive up cost (as most do) why should an employer have to cover the cost of such increases? What is covered under bills? Why would I live in a less desirable area if my employer is responsible for covering all of my cost no matter where I live? What happens when everyone wants to live in Manhattan?

Rule #1 of any policy proposal: don't distort markets. Some of our biggest problems are the result of people trying to "fix" and issue.

Both of those companies were known for being low wage and accessible all day and night. If I'm to believe that most workers are teenagers and students, who am I expecting to be there at 4 am if theoretically the majority of the students would be in class the next day?

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are you under the impression that they have the same staffing 24/7? any place with min wage workers is going to have a smaller 3rd shift because it's vastly less busy. So even in your continued bad argument, it's not making the point you want it to make.

you can go to google and look up the age demographics of minimum wage workers instead of trying to argue with your emotions because you don't like the facts.

Dumb arguments get defeated and make the point missed. Make smart arguments.

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SevenTenths posted...

are you under the impression that they have the same staffing 24/7? any place with min wage workers is going to have a smaller 3rd shift because it's vastly less busy. So even in your continued bad argument, it's not making the point you want it to make.

you can go to google and look up the age demographics of minimum wage workers instead of trying to argue with your emotions because you don't like the facts.

Dumb arguments get defeated and make the point missed. Make smart arguments.

This guy is literally arguing "teens doing all the minimum wage work is facts" while spouting off that 50% are over 25 and 50% under, meaning his facts are incredibly going against the case he is making, while admonishing someone else for not having the facts on their side

24 is the new 16 I guess.
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GentlemanGamer posted...

This guy is literally arguing "teens doing all the minimum wage work is facts" while spouting off that 50%

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78849869/942192723

the statement was always been college and high school aged kids. Again, we see people reacting to emotion over fact. Him trying to move the goal post to just teens doesn't change what was said or what the stats state.

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Do that many people at McDonald's even make minimum wage? It may be a state by state thing, but I've see the ones around here hiring starting at $11.

Philoktetes posted...

minimum wage is meant for teenagers to get some extra spending cash to talk their sweetheart to the malt shop

youre not supposed to be renting an apartment or buying a house on it

Joke post.

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Again, it's cute that you think that's what happened. I guess you're not used to people calling you out on your nonsense; get used to it.

Chicken_Butt posted...

I think you're missing the point, actually. We're discussing the very issue you don't seem to understand is a problem.

i don't know why you are entertaining him, he is literally a gimmick account. look up his topic history on that other site

No wonder phrogging is on the rise... who ate the last pickle?

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SevenTenths posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78849869/942192723

the statement was always been college and high school aged kids. Again, we see people reacting to emotion over fact. Him trying to move the goal post to just teens doesn't change what was said or what the stats state.

Your post that I initially quoted just said teenagers. Even then the person in that link suggests that half of those working lower wages are over 25. If you're getting your bachelor's degree starting from 18, you'd be finished by 22-24 if you didn't take a break. So you have the other half full of people that are working full time to make a living despite the wages being low.

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KStateKing17 posted...

Even then the person in that link suggests that half of those working lower wages are over 25. I

SevenTenths posted...

The (just barely) majority are under 24, which is high school and college. Statistics don't lump people 65+ from the 25+ so it gets difficult to tell how much are actual adults in shitty situations and how much are retired folks looking to earn a little extra and have a reason to get out of the house.

again, what point are you even trying to make? your examples don't pay min wage. People working overnight shifts doesn't negate that min wage is primary people looking for side money.

Make smart arguments instead of emotional ones.

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KStateKing17 posted...

Your post that I initially quoted just said teenagers. Even then the person in that link suggests that half of those working lower wages are over 25. If you're getting your bachelor's degree starting from 18, you'd be finished by 22-24 if you didn't take a break. So you have the other half full of people that are working full time to make a living despite the wages being low.

Not to mention that the assumption that all of the 18-24 people are going to college and only looking for side income is almost certainly not true. Most people don't even go to college.

SevenTenths posted...

the statement was always been college and high school aged kids.

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KStateKing17 posted...

So you have the other half full of people that are working full time to make a living despite the wages being low.

I'm gonna try to explain this one more time.

2% of US workers make minimum wage
47% are under 24 (students)
25% are part-time workers
75% work in the service industry. Every single person in this country who earns tips at their job gets counted as a minimum wage worker even though their income is well above that level.
36% live in the South compared to 16% in the North East meaning you're more likely to live in an area where the cost of living is also lower.

The number of people in this country who support themselves full-time on a minimum wage job is essentially zero. It's a non-issue that distracts from real ones like housing cost, public education, etc.

SevenTenths posted...

again, what point are you even trying to make? your examples don't pay min wage. People working overnight shifts doesn't negate that min wage is primary people looking for side money.

Make smart arguments instead of emotional ones.

I just realized you weren't the person that I initially quoted. My issue was that they made they made the statement that minimum wage jobs are only for teenagers, then later on shares a ridiculous budget for someone to live on alone which tells me that they're believing an adult can support themselves on that wage.

I used Walmart and McDonald's because they were either paying the minimum or close to it up until recently. They were just examples, but there are plenty of places that have comparable wages that are full of adults that use it as their primary income.

@Broseph_Stalin I appreciate that breakdown. I didn't consider tipped workers because I knew they would balance out with the wages. My main focus was along the lines of fast food and cashier positions.

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Should should should

Nobody should have to work. Work should be fun. Bread and circuses should be delivered by altruistic little elves. But there's a real world and it doesn't care about should.

Minimum wage does need to go up. A lot, actually. In fact, in very short time, the absurd 2015 figure of $15/hr will very much be reasonable. But it's absurd to try to act like there's no downside here or like the shoulds aren't in conflict.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

My mortgage is $530. Renting is just a monetary vacuum.

https://i.redd.it/39ywlbrze7b51.jpg

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