Current Events > Victory achieved. Lolicon is dead

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McgeesAlice808 posted...

Also that scene in NGNL was clearly meant to be romantic baiting since the series makes it clear the two have a romantic interest in each other.

JEsus the formatting on that quote looks terrible for me. Anyway, thank you, I generally don't watch that brand of anime as a rule. So basically, neither one of his examples actually prove his point. That's outstanding.

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Neither scene have titillation. Do you consider every instance of CPR/mouth-to-mouth resuscitation sexual? Being a romantic couple doesnt make every interaction romantic baiting. No wonder you guys cant separate the idea of cuteness from sexiness in spite of all the evidence.

In Isekai Maou, the loli was willing and the guy was barely hesitant (meaning no embarrassment, no underlying implications), plus the scene cuts out as soon as the kiss completes. In all instances of making the contract, the master ingests a gem before making the kiss. In this last instance, the kiss looked more like they transferred the gem.

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Whatever you have to do to justify your perversions mate. Seek help.

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McgeesAlice808 posted...

Dudes bullshitting. No one but hardcore otaku addicts uses the word loli in a non-sexual manner in Japan either.

You know, basically everyone on 2ch is a pretty substantial online presence.



Oh god, what a sexual statement.

Crazyman93 posted...

Whatever you have to do to justify your perversions mate. Seek help.

I dont need to justify anything. You think Im ashamed of my fetishes or something?

Im just correcting the notion that I or anyone else doesnt immediately have sex on the mind for using the term.

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This is still going on? I told you guys before, there's no arguing with him. His illness is too far gone.

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2020 just keeps getting worse and worse

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Eab1990 posted...

You think Im ashamed of my fetishes or something?

You literally wouldn't be this defensive if you weren't.

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McgeesAlice808 posted...

This is the same kind of logic as he accidentally fell and looked up her skirt. Are you saying all instances of accidents are perverted? Ive watched the show. The characters set up the plan in a way so that they can kiss. The show is filled with fanservice, fetish fuel and otaku cliches. The male character in question happily removes his adopted sisters clothes after removing their private parts only a few minutes before. The scene is clearly meant to an innuendo. You dont do yourself any favors by making these shoddy technicality excuses.

You knew the plot of the episode was to kill a god-killing angel, and that's your take on it? You missed the point of the show by a mile.

I'm not denying the show didn't have its sexual humor, but to act like "they set up the plan just so they can kiss" is one whooooooosh of a statement. They establish that Jibril has no concept of chemistry right off the bat and abuse that to choke her out and prevent her from continuing the game.

McgeesAlice808 posted...

Fates main demographic is otaku and is an otaku pandering series. Give an example of a mainstream series like Sailor Moon, Lupin, Doraemon, Shin-chan etc that uses it. Should be easy with their million episodes. Or any live-action series that uses it. Not even going into real life.

I doubt anything from the 90s and earlier actually uses the term, since it's akin to modern slang. But let's not pretend Card Captor Sakura, THE most prominent example of a loli magical girl, and a series centered around getting a 10-year-old to dress in as much cute clothes as possible, didn't awaken a huge batch of lolicons, which CLAMP themselves acknowledge.

I was gonna say Lupin doesn't even have a loli, but then I remembered Cagliostro. And then Miyazaki apparently said that she accidentally appealed to lolicons, though that's not the same thing as calling her loli.

Crazyman93 posted...

You literally wouldn't be this defensive if you weren't.

You say that, yet you haven't actually refuted any of my arguments, Mr. American.

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McgeesAlice808 posted...

Fates main demographic is otaku and is an otaku pandering series. Give an example of a mainstream series like Sailor Moon, Lupin, Doraemon, Shin-chan etc that uses it. Should be easy with their million episodes. Or any live-action series that uses it. Not even going into real life.

Speaking of FATE, there's some official art of the Prisma Illya spin-off that would get you banned instantly if you posted it here.

Hell even some of the clips from the show itself would get you banned in most places on the internet that have any respect for themselves.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

there's some official art of the Prisma Illya

We don't speak of that here

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ChrisTaka posted...

We don't speak of that here

\_()_/ she's just getting some energy /s

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Tyranthraxus posted...

\_()_/ she's just getting some energy /s

https://twitter.com/chatora_yrkw/status/1285544000288509953

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The worst part of it all is that the parts that aren't borderline porn are actually pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx4KrlkyER4

The pervy shit literally ruins it.

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McgeesAlice808 posted...

There are tons of ways they and the writer couldve made them beat the god killing angel (who is also an openly lustful sadomasochist) with chemistry without having them make out.

Oh, this Id love to hear. How do you propose they shouldve killed Jibril?

Remember that the entire basis of the game was shiritori, so of course, you must provide the words they shouldve used that got them in a position where, even in a mutual kill, Jibril wouldve died first without being able to respond. The same Jibril that tanked a hydrogen bomb.

Also I didnt watch the new CCS, so I dont know if they actually said the word. Pretty sure its not in the original, not that thats the least of your worries. This is the same series that had side characters engage in student-teacher romance with 20 years apart from them.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

The worst part of it all is that the parts that aren't borderline porn are actually pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx4KrlkyER4

The pervy shit literally ruins it.

I hate it when pervy shit ruins a good series. I'm looking at you High School of the Dead.

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Eab1990 posted...

https://twitter.com/chatora_yrkw/status/1285544000288509953

When it made noise, I could feel myself being placed on an FBI watchlist.

<_<

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McgeesAlice808 posted...

The writer couldve had them set up gas masks beforehand or something. They couldve just skipped the whole air thing and go right to the hypernova. And you actually can breathe in and speak in pure oxygen temporarily so the kiss was actually unnecessary. The whole show has had them winning through deus ex machinas anyway. They shouldve immediately froze to death the moment they got into space.

The fact of the matter is they clearly wanted to show an 18 year old make out with his naked cat ear wearing 11 year old sister and you acting like the writers were forced to do it because of how vital it is to the story is just delusional.

The whole point is that loli isnt some common term even in Japan and is also only used by people or media immersed in or extremely familiar with otaku and lolicon culture and outside of it its inherently sexual.

Didnt say anything about the writers being forced to deal with it. I said the episode was properly set up in a way to make the progression natural, while still maintaining its comedic beats. You forget they were also sexualizing/bullying Steph even more than the others.

They took liberties with the science, sure, but it made sense for the purposes of the episode, much like how CPR in movies doesnt actually work like a magical defibrillator. Its not a conspiracy for otaku pandering when the scene is otherwise portrayed seriously. Comparing it to something like To Love-Ru is incredibly disingenuous.

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Calwings posted...

Loli = character trait (small/petite body, child-like face, looks young but may not necessarily be that young)
Lolicon = sexual attraction/fetish for fictional characters that fit the above trait, also used to refer to the genre of hentai featuring those characters

Just because lolicon is a thing doesn't mean that all loli characters (or images of them) are sexual in nature.

Bump

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Comparing it to pandering fanservice is even more disingenuous than comparing it to CPR.

The show was very clearly not being serious when they removed the naughty bits and sexualized Steph and the others, but obviously took its narrative more seriously when the kiss happened. Comparing it to CPR and non-fanservice as a whole is not farfetched.

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Darkrobotisback posted...

Rika just likes higurashi, the one you should worry about is

The person you quoted is just a troll, please dont feed it

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McgeesAlice808 posted...

The main characters are an incestuous couple with an 11 year old participant who is constantly sexualized...Yeah its pandering fanservice. So Shiro would fall under the original definition of a loli anyway because she is indeed a little girl whos sexualized.

the show was just not being serious when it made the girls naked. The 18 year old making out with his still naked cat ear wearing 11 year old sister is closer to CPR than fanservice!

Yeah, youre letting your fetish blind you or are really in denial.
Tell that that to any non-delusional fanboy or non-pedo

Does the movie upset you this much as well, even though everything outside of Schwi's intro scene (which was totally fanservice, I'll admit), up to and following the marriage scene is portrayed seriously and not for fanservice kicks?

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@Choco
And just when the fuck did I insult a rape victim?

Well, that's unfortunate. Censorship is wrong.
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McgeesAlice808 posted...

To-love-ru has serious scenes too. NGNL's make out scene is clearly an ayy look how they took advantage of their romantic attachment to each other as a weapon scene and not a clinical only doing it out of desperate measures scene to anyone who's not being willfully obtuse.

Again, Im not denying the underlying implications.

Im denying the prospect that only pedophiles would enjoy this.

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McgeesAlice808 posted...

Im against censorship but this isnt that, its just the free market at work.

I consider it censorship when one fictional fetish is being targeted over another. Either all anime lewds should be suffering in this way or none of them.
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I don't know why people give asoiaf a pass if they're against lolis. The first few chapters have incestuous sex and child rape in them, nobody complained.
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McgeesAlice808 posted...

Agreed but did anyone say that? Im just pointing out as someone who saw the show that the scene and show in question IS incredibly risqu. Its not like Hitoribocchi or something. NGNL does have a good adventure, twists, music, and is cleverly written if youre willing to look past/dont care for/enjoy the fanservice.
I personally think its overrated though since I expected 5d chess and got standard shonen make things up as you go and barely clutching a win victories. The small games in the first two episodes and the shiratori battle were the only ones I really liked and the shiratori battle had its logic problems.

Uh, you did when you argued against me that it was an "otaku pandering series" and therefore "any kisses in it must be construed as sexual".

Being risque and being sexual are two different things. Naked people are risque. Shiro's existence is risque, and yes, sexual when she says things like "if Sora becomes king, he can have a harem and I can't allow that".

CPR-esque open-mouth kisses are risque, but not (necessarily) sexual.

Put this way, if your prevailing thought for the show or the movie was "wow, this is a pedophile's wet dream" instead of "wow, this is an interesting take on isekai" (or in the movie's case, "wow, this is an interesting take on robot discovers love"), then you've blinded yourself of your own hate against otaku/lolicon fandom. The fact that other people can enjoy the series and not care for lolis speaks to that.

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McgeesAlice808 posted...

Because like everything, its about context. Being an otaku pandering series doesnt mean every kiss is automatically sexual but it is assumed to be by default unless they genuinely treat it in a grounded and clinical manner, which her being in cat ears and flat out naked should make it obvious that it isnt, and even if she wasnt, the battle wasnt serious in a grounded way. The whole battle was sexualized and your standard anime over the top back and forth while exchanging witty remarks. There is no genuinely innocent it has to be done atmosphere during the kiss. Its clearly a continuation of the previous sexual atmosphere mixed in with their new clever strategy. Yes, there can be mouth kisses that are innocent like CPR. The scene in NGNL sure as hell isnt.

Then maybe start off with that argument instead of going "lol incest" and dismissing the point entirely.

I'm not even gonna deny that Shiro is sexualized as hell. I just don't see that scene as particularly damning compared to literally everything else before it (nor it being grounds for banworthy).

I also disagree with the rest of your sentiment on that particular battle of wits, but there's no point in pursuing it any further.

The whole point of that being brought up was because of Amazon banning volumes for those types of risque moments. If you know the whole show isn't like that, maybe don't disagree with me at every turn that it's purely otaku/loli pandering.

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At best, you can argue that it was *framed* sexually.

In the context of the show, it was not sexual by any means. No one reacts to the implications of the kiss, the two dont act as if it meant anything but survival, and they even made it clear that it was oxygen being shared, not saliva.

Also the two articles were linked together on ANN. Cant really comment on how artists feel marketing overseas isnt worth it without bringing up Amazon as a sticking point.

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There are non-hentai with those sorts of powers too, so Im just as confused as to why you thought that was worth bringing up.

Hell, there are synopses like Im a young succubus in training or I want to have sex with 100 guys and neither of those are hentai either.

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Eab1990 posted...

There are non-hentai with those sorts of powers too, so Im just as confused as to why you thought that was worth bringing up.

Hell, there are synopses like Im a young succubus in training or I want to have sex with 100 guys and neither of those are hentai either.

Isn't the rest of that "I want to have sex with 100 guys" synopsis end with "but she ends up not having sex with anyone because she's obsessed with the perfect first time" or an I thinking of something else?

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McgeesAlice808 posted...

Exactly. Its about the context to the audience, not the actual in-universe event.

But youre proving my point? If NGNL and those other things arent hentai, then what does it matter if it looks sexual on the surface?

Tyranthraxus posted...

Isn't the rest of that "I want to have sex with 100 guys" synopsis end with "but she ends up not having sex with anyone because she's obsessed with the perfect first time" or an I thinking of something else?

No, thats the one. The actual name escapes me, but yeah, that was the gist of it.

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McgeesAlice808 posted...

Because the scene is sexual and involves an 11 year old?

Yeah, if you tried some of the shit they put in garbage anime in live TV, you'd be crucified. Possibly literally. There's a reason all the youngest characters in Game of Thrones were upaged from their book counterparts.

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Eab1990 posted...

NGNL has a scene where the main sibling pair are in space (put simply), so they share a kiss to circulate oxygen between them.

Isekai Maou is just a contract binding thing. Though for all the other contracts established prior, a kiss on the cheek/forehead/etc. seemed to work fine. For the loli in question, he opted for open mouth kiss. *shrug*

Sounds like fanservice. I don't really care mind you, but still.

EbonTitanium posted...

I hate it when pervy shit ruins a good series. I'm looking at you High School of the Dead.

Agreed.


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Tsuyoi3 posted...

Sounds like fanservice. I don't really care mind you, but still.

Agreed.

Sure, but you know what else is fanservice?

Every magical girl show where the transformation involves the girl getting naked.

Doesnt make it sexual.

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