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LethalAffinity
07/23/20 6:42:18 AM
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/europe/nazi-guard-germany-conviction-intl/index.html

CNN confirms.

Do you think spending the final days of your life in prison for being a Nazi camp guard when you were 17-18 is justified?

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TheOrgyPorgy
07/23/20 6:42:43 AM
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fair next

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SSJCAT
07/23/20 6:45:23 AM
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LethalAffinity posted...
Do you think spending the final days of your life in prison for being a Nazi camp guard when you were 17-18 is justified?

if i read the right (just skimmed thru) they tried him in juvenile court because he was a minor and only got 2 years in prison

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LethalAffinity
07/23/20 6:45:58 AM
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SSJCAT posted...
if i read the right (just skimmed thru) they tried him in juvenile court because he was a minor and only got 2 years in prison

Yeah but theres still a good chance hell croak in prison

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Alteres
07/23/20 6:46:33 AM
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Have they arrested everyone that served in the army?

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SSJCAT
07/23/20 6:47:42 AM
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LethalAffinity posted...
Yeah but theres still a good chance hell croak in prison
well hes gone the last 75 years scot free he had all that time to croak in his own bed

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Hornezz
07/23/20 6:49:25 AM
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Suspended sentence means he won't actually go to prison.

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SSJCAT
07/23/20 6:51:06 AM
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Hornezz posted...
Suspended sentence means he won't actually go to prison.
ah yeah just looked that up hes basically just on probation. lol at this thread trying to sympathize with nazis

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tm315
07/23/20 6:51:16 AM
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Alteres posted...
Have they arrested everyone that served in the army?
Not every obviously, many ran away and weren't caught
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Pancake
07/23/20 6:53:57 AM
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Do you think spending the final days of your life in prison for being a Nazi camp guard when you were 17-18 is justified?

5,230 counts of accessory to murder

i'm going to go out on a limb and say probably not many (if any) of those 5,230 people got to see 93 years in the world.
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JlM
07/23/20 6:55:02 AM
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They should push him down 6 million stairs.
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LethalAffinity
07/23/20 7:05:15 AM
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Pancake posted...
Do you think spending the final days of your life in prison for being a Nazi camp guard when you were 17-18 is justified?

5,230 counts of accessory to murder

i'm going to go out on a limb and say probably not many (if any) of those 5,230 people got to see 93 years in the world.

Devils advocate: Do you think a 17 year old who was brainwashed since a young age through Hitler Youth into viewing Jews as being not even human has culpability? Do you believe someone in this situation had any choice in the matter?
Not excusing the disgusting, harrowing things that happened in these camps but plenty of these guards were young kids barely out of school who either never questioned authority or were brainwashed into thinking they were doing the right thing. Nazi Germany was built on a mountain of propaganda and any dissent was silenced.
Its a fascinating debate to me considering hes lived all his life without atoning. I do wonder if he regrets it

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Unsugarized_Foo
07/23/20 7:11:16 AM
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Did he have a history after the war? If not, then this id a waste of resources at this point

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Ilishe
07/23/20 7:16:30 AM
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LethalAffinity posted...
Devils advocate: Do you think a 17 year old who was brainwashed since a young age through Hitler Youth into viewing Jews as being not even human has culpability? Do you believe someone in this situation had any choice in the matter?
Not excusing the disgusting, harrowing things that happened in these camps but plenty of these guards were young kids barely out of school who either never questioned authority or were brainwashed into thinking they were doing the right thing. Nazi Germany was built on a mountain of propaganda and any dissent was silenced.
Its a fascinating debate to me considering hes lived all his life without atoning. I do wonder if he regrets it

I agree with you. A lot of those people didn't know any better. Even if they had an inkling they were deathly afraid of their own government. The real villains were people like Hitler and Goebels. They're dead. May the burn in hell forever.

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soulunison2
07/23/20 7:19:52 AM
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LethalAffinity posted...
Devils advocate: Do you think a 17 year old who was brainwashed since a young age through Hitler Youth into viewing Jews as being not even human has culpability? Do you believe someone in this situation had any choice in the matter?
Not excusing the disgusting, harrowing things that happened in these camps but plenty of these guards were young kids barely out of school who either never questioned authority or were brainwashed into thinking they were doing the right thing. Nazi Germany was built on a mountain of propaganda and any dissent was silenced.
Its a fascinating debate to me considering hes lived all his life without atoning. I do wonder if he regrets it

kinda crazy how dolan is doing the same thing to this generation huh
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TheOrgyPorgy
07/23/20 7:20:55 AM
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^ some ducks just want to watch the world burn

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LethalAffinity
07/23/20 7:24:24 AM
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soulunison2 posted...
kinda crazy how dolan is doing the same thing to this generation huh
How so? Are young kids being brainwashed? I work with teenagers at my job and most arent political or are lefties.

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tm315
07/23/20 7:25:19 AM
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LethalAffinity posted...
Devils advocate: Do you think a 17 year old who was brainwashed since a young age through Hitler Youth into viewing Jews as being not even human has culpability? Do you believe someone in this situation had any choice in the matter?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but are you saying people should get away with mass murder if they were just doing their job? I don't agree with that, he was 17-18 and made a choice
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Pancake
07/23/20 7:26:28 AM
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Devils advocate: Do you think a 17 year old who was brainwashed since a young age through Hitler Youth into viewing Jews as being not even human has culpability? Do you believe someone in this situation had any choice in the matter?

i think a 17-year-old can form their own opinions and make their own decisions, and should more or less have a grasp on right from wrong. how many germans his age didn't end up being nazis?
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soulunison2
07/23/20 7:27:33 AM
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LethalAffinity posted...
How so? Are young kids being brainwashed? I work with teenagers at my job and most arent political or are lefties.

yeah, it's called the alt right, the subset of white nationalism that others the majority of the US, they do most of their radicalization through the internet and all that, Dolan is out here dog whistling them and shit
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teepan95
07/23/20 7:40:36 AM
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LethalAffinity posted...
Pancake posted...
Do you think spending the final days of your life in prison for being a Nazi camp guard when you were 17-18 is justified?

5,230 counts of accessory to murder

i'm going to go out on a limb and say probably not many (if any) of those 5,230 people got to see 93 years in the world.

Devils advocate: Do you think a 17 year old who was brainwashed since a young age through Hitler Youth into viewing Jews as being not even human has culpability? Do you believe someone in this situation had any choice in the matter?
Not excusing the disgusting, harrowing things that happened in these camps but plenty of these guards were young kids barely out of school who either never questioned authority or were brainwashed into thinking they were doing the right thing. Nazi Germany was built on a mountain of propaganda and any dissent was silenced.
Its a fascinating debate to me considering hes lived all his life without atoning. I do wonder if he regrets it

There are enough recorded cases of 17-18 year olds defying the regime to conclude that anyone who went along with it has culpability, yes.

"Just following orders" should not ever be an excuse
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DeadBankerDream
07/23/20 7:41:52 AM
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Only a very specific subset of people devil's advocate "I was just following orders" not being a valid defense.
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ssj3vegeta2
07/23/20 7:44:42 AM
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SSJCAT posted...
lol at this thread trying to sympathize with nazis

Dis

Smh tc, smh tbh
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Funkydog
07/23/20 7:59:02 AM
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I have no issue with those who were involved in the Nazi regime that are still being alive being charged.

I just wonder what is the point of jailing them now, when they might last a few years at best in jail. Feels like a pointless gesture of punishment, as in no ways even scrapes coming close to the horror they did and isn't going to reform them. I don't think they should get to live free of course, and perhaps dying in jail is the best we really can do at this point.

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MaxEffingBemis
07/23/20 8:00:53 AM
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They should torture or abuse him

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g980
07/23/20 8:13:24 AM
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If he hasnt committed any war crimes in the past 70 years, what does society gain by locking him up for the next two?

That is a sincere question btw. I distrust legal punishment that has no apparent goal of rehabilitation or when the convicted has a zero % chance of harming anyone else.

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Pancake
07/23/20 8:14:12 AM
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If he hasnt committed any war crimes in the past 70 years, what does society gain by locking him up for the next two?

what message does the alternative convey, other than 'you can wait out your crimes'?
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ssjevot
07/23/20 8:21:11 AM
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Pancake posted...
If he hasnt committed any war crimes in the past 70 years, what does society gain by locking him up for the next two?

what message does the alternative convey, other than 'you can wait out your crimes'?

That's actually how most crimes work in most countries. I assume this one didn't have a statute of limitation on it.

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Pancake
07/23/20 8:23:44 AM
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statutes of limitations vary, and not all crimes have them. you'd think being complicit in the deaths of over five thousand people would be one of the ones that don't.
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DeadBankerDream
07/23/20 8:24:09 AM
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g980 posted...
If he hasnt committed any war crimes in the past 70 years, what does society gain by locking him up for the next two?

Even if you're being honest, you're being awfully narrow in your search for societal gains if you can't find anything gainful about Germany upholding a commitment to not forget the terrible crimes of its past.
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g980
07/23/20 8:30:46 AM
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Sorry, i should have addressed the obvious deterrence argument up front - i am skeptical of punishment as a deterrent to future crimes, and iirc there are studies supporting the stance ( i will admit tho its been a while since ive looked into it)

DeadBankerDream posted...
Even if you're being honest, you're being awfully narrow in your search for societal gains if you can't find anything gainful about Germany upholding a commitment to not forget the terrible crimes of its past.

Thats a take that i hadnt thought about. Seems unfair to the individual to punish him for the sake of national symbolism, but it makes sense and my stomach for empathizint with a former nazi only goes so far

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SSJCAT
07/23/20 8:49:47 AM
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friendly reminder dude ISNT even going to jail (even tho nazis totally deserve jail time) to anyone saying yeah but does he really need to go to jail

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g980
07/23/20 8:50:32 AM
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SSJCAT posted...
friendly reminder dude ISNT even going to jail (even tho nazis totally deserve jail time) to anyone saying yeah but does he really need to go to jail

Thanks, i skimmed it. Thats pretty big

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Jagr_68
07/23/20 8:53:33 AM
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2020 and shitposters still unironically playing the "b-b-but zey ver only vollowving orders!" argument.

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ssj3vegeta2
07/23/20 6:14:20 PM
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Dey should take away EVERYTHING he owns or has owned(especially things passed down to his children) and give it to da holocaust victims familes
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CommunismFTW
07/23/20 6:23:28 PM
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I see very little written about his life or his feelings about the war but I simply have to imagine he wasn't pulled out of a nursing home to go to jail without cause. Yes what he did was horrible, and yes what goes around comes around, but just imagine being this dude regretting what he did every day of his life and before the end his life collapses because of it. That had to be existential horror for his entire life if he was remorseful. If not, put him under the jail. In either case the sentence is justified. There is no statute of limitations for what he did.

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Caelthus
07/23/20 6:24:07 PM
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LethalAffinity posted...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/europe/nazi-guard-germany-conviction-intl/index.html

CNN confirms.

Do you think spending the final days of your life in prison for being a Nazi camp guard when you were 17-18 is justified?
Yes? Just because he's old now doesn't make him any less guilty. Anybody who participated in the nazi regime should be brought to justice for their actions, regardless of how old they are.

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teepan95
07/24/20 12:43:01 AM
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Plus

He's not going to jail
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