Poll of the Day > Arkansas senator describes slavery as 'necessary evil'

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BUMPED2002 07/27/20 6:32:50 AM #1:	Geez some people enjoy pouring salt on an open wound. https://news.yahoo.com/black-lives-matter-arkansas-senator-081831443.html --- SpankageBros <cite>BUMPED2002 posted [p:942636340] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Geez some people enjoy pouring salt on an open wound. https://news.yahoo.com/black-lives-matter-arkansas-senator-081831443.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FatalAccident 07/27/20 6:39:52 AM #2:	Lol --- walks away <cite>FatalAccident posted [p:942636421] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 07/27/20 6:41:09 AM #3:	Being rich is necessary, otherwise what could he possibly be referring to? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:942636443] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Being rich is necessary, otherwise what could he possibly be referring to? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma 07/27/20 6:56:53 AM #4:	Senator Tom Cotton Holy shit --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:942636671] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Senator Tom Cotton Holy shit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/27/20 11:54:57 AM #5:	He's not altogether wrong, if you consider establishing the country and its economy in a timely fashion to be necessary (which the founding fathers did). That would have been substantially more difficult if not for slavery, and America and the world would be a very different place because of such a change. The problem is that saying something like that usually needs to be paired with "and as a result, those of us who are benefiting from that economic success owe a great debt to the class that was oppressed to get it, so have some reparations," otherwise you're defending slavery (read: being a racist bag of moldy feces) instead of expressing regret over the harm that was caused (read: the position every decent person holds). The actual quote is also a concerning bit of historical revisionism, since he's not saying that himself, he's claiming that was the founding fathers' opinion. There's no reason to believe that - collectively - the founding fathers believed slavery to be evil, even if they felt it was necessary. I'm sure some did, but to suggest that all of them held that position is utter nonsense, and seeks to excuse the past crimes of slavery. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:942644064] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>He's not altogether wrong, if you consider establishing the country and its economy in a timely fashion to be necessary (which the founding fathers did). That would have been substantially more difficult if not for slavery, and America and the world would be a very different place because of such a change. The problem is that saying something like that usually needs to be paired with "and as a result, those of us who are benefiting from that economic success owe a great debt to the class that was oppressed to get it, so have some reparations," otherwise you're defending slavery (read: being a racist bag of moldy feces) instead of expressing regret over the harm that was caused (read: the position every decent person holds). The actual quote is also a concerning bit of historical revisionism, since he's not saying that himself, he's claiming that was the founding fathers' opinion. There's no reason to believe that - collectively - the founding fathers believed slavery to be evil, even if they felt it was necessary. I'm sure some did, but to suggest that all of them held that position is utter nonsense, and seeks to excuse the past crimes of slavery. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 07/27/20 11:58:10 AM #6:	He's not altogether wrong, if you consider establishing the country and its economy in a timely fashion to be necessary (which the founding fathers did). That would have been substantially more difficult if not for slavery, and America and the world would be a very different place because of such a change. The problem is that saying something like that usually needs to be paired with "and as a result, those of us who are benefiting from that economic success owe a great debt to the class that was oppressed to get it, so have some reparations," otherwise you're defending slavery (read: being a racist bag of moldy feces) instead of expressing regret over the harm that was caused (read: the position every decent person holds). this does NOT make it necessary <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:942644175] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>He's not altogether wrong, if you consider establishing the country and its economy in a timely fashion to be necessary (which the founding fathers did). That would have been substantially more difficult if not for slavery, and America and the world would be a very different place because of such a change. The problem is that saying something like that usually needs to be paired with "and as a result, those of us who are benefiting from that economic success owe a great debt to the class that was oppressed to get it, so have some reparations," otherwise you're defending slavery (read: being a racist bag of moldy feces) instead of expressing regret over the harm that was caused (read: the position every decent person holds). this does NOT make it necessary </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/27/20 11:58:58 AM #7:	Fam_Fam posted... this does NOT make it necessary adjl posted... if you consider establishing the country and its economy in a timely fashion to be necessary (which the founding fathers did). --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:942644207] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Fam_Fam posted... </cite> <quote>this does NOT make it necessary</quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>if you consider establishing the country and its economy in a timely fashion to be necessary (which the founding fathers did).</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 07/27/20 12:24:34 PM #8:	We're like two moves away from calling slavery a necessary neutral. I'm thinking by 2028 that will be the official GOP position. --- https://imgtc.com/i/sIhpHts.jpg <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:942645213] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>We're like two moves away from calling slavery a necessary neutral. I'm thinking by 2028 that will be the official GOP position. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/27/20 12:28:25 PM #9:	Blightzkrieg posted... We're like two moves away from calling slavery a necessary neutral. I'm thinking by 2028 that will be the official GOP position. "If not for slavery, more Americans would have starved to death than slaves died, and that means it was okay!" I'm sure that argument can be made (although with a whole of of pretty baseless speculation, given the number of variables involved and the lack of good data), but again, that falls back to the issue of whether or not America growing as quickly as it did was actually necessary. I'm really kind of hoping that argument becomes more common so it becomes possible to throw the "maybe you shouldn't have sex if you can't afford to feed more kids" thing back in the face of the anti-abortion crowd, because that's just going to be fun. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:942645398] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>We're like two moves away from calling slavery a necessary neutral. I'm thinking by 2028 that will be the official GOP position.</quote> "If not for slavery, more Americans would have starved to death than slaves died, and that means it was okay!" I'm sure that argument can be made (although with a whole of of pretty baseless speculation, given the number of variables involved and the lack of good data), but again, that falls back to the issue of whether or not America growing as quickly as it did was actually necessary. I'm really kind of hoping that argument becomes more common so it becomes possible to throw the "maybe you shouldn't have sex if you can't afford to feed more kids" thing back in the face of the anti-abortion crowd, because that's just going to be fun. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 07/27/20 12:34:10 PM #10:	"How could we have exterminated the Indians if not for slavery" --- https://imgtc.com/i/sIhpHts.jpg <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:942645589] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>"How could we have exterminated the Indians if not for slavery" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 07/27/20 12:34:47 PM #11:	Last time I heard about Tom Cotton was when he was breaking the law with that letter to Iran. But hey he just wanted attention again for being a piece of shit. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:942645613] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Last time I heard about Tom Cotton was when he was breaking the law with that letter to Iran. But hey he just wanted attention again for being a piece of shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/27/20 12:36:09 PM #12:	Blightzkrieg posted... "How could we have exterminated the Indians if not for slavery" I mean, Canada (well, BNA, but that's a minor technicality) did a pretty good job of it, so I don't think that's the best argument >.> --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:942645674] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>"How could we have exterminated the Indians if not for slavery"</quote> I mean, Canada (well, BNA, but that's a minor technicality) did a pretty good job of it, so I don't think that's the best argument >.> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
papercup 07/27/20 12:46:21 PM #13:	Okay, I'm volunteering him to be a slave. --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 <cite>papercup posted [p:942646095] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Okay, I'm volunteering him to be a slave. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 07/27/20 12:47:39 PM #14:	With hard work and trusty friends, all genocides are possible. The real slavery was inside us the whole time. --- https://imgtc.com/i/sIhpHts.jpg <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:942646155] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>With hard work and trusty friends, all genocides are possible. The real slavery was inside us the whole time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veedrock- 07/27/20 12:48:29 PM #15:	papercup posted... Okay, I'm volunteering him to be a slave. Tagged as "pro-slavery." --- My friends call me Vee. I'm not your friend, buddy. <cite>Veedrock- posted [p:942646198] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>papercup posted... </cite> <quote>Okay, I'm volunteering him to be a slave.</quote>Tagged as "pro-slavery." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zedonra 07/27/20 12:51:53 PM #16:	How can you say that "US founders viewed slavery as a "necessary evil upon which the union was built"." and then say this "Senator Cotton told the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette that he rejects the idea that the US was a systemically racist country to its core." If the founders viewed slavery as a necessary evil upon which the union was built, then that is SYSTEMATICALLY RACIST. WHAT THE **? --- Playing: XB1 Definitive, AC:NH, Yakuza 0, MHW Iceborne MR329+/HR 561+ - LS/CB/GS/BOW "The imagination is a weapon, those who don't use it, die first" <cite>Zedonra posted [p:942646349] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>How can you say that "US founders viewed slavery as a "necessary evil upon which the union was built"." and then say this "Senator Cotton told the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette that he rejects the idea that the US was a systemically racist country to its core." If the founders viewed slavery as a necessary evil upon which the union was built, then that is SYSTEMATICALLY RACIST. WHAT THE **? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 07/27/20 12:58:03 PM #17:	Zedonra posted... How can you say that "US founders viewed slavery as a "necessary evil upon which the union was built"." and then say this "Senator Cotton told the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette that he rejects the idea that the US was a systemically racist country to its core." If the founders viewed slavery as a necessary evil upon which the union was built, then that is SYSTEMATICALLY RACIST. WHAT THE **? People try to argue that the slavery system practiced in the US wasn't racist even though there is an abundance of information on record, including supreme court cases, that prove racism was part of the system. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:942646607] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Zedonra posted... </cite> <quote>How can you say that "US founders viewed slavery as a "necessary evil upon which the union was built"." and then say this "Senator Cotton told the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette that he rejects the idea that the US was a systemically racist country to its core." If the founders viewed slavery as a necessary evil upon which the union was built, then that is SYSTEMATICALLY RACIST. WHAT THE **?</quote> People try to argue that the slavery system practiced in the US wasn't racist even though there is an abundance of information on record, including supreme court cases, that prove racism was part of the system. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 07/27/20 1:02:48 PM #18:	adjl posted... He's not altogether wrong, if you consider establishing the country and its economy in a timely fashion to be necessary (which the founding fathers did). That would have been substantially more difficult if not for slavery, and America and the world would be a very different place because of such a change. The problem is that saying something like that usually needs to be paired with "and as a result, those of us who are benefiting from that economic success owe a great debt to the class that was oppressed to get it, so have some reparations," otherwise you're defending slavery (read: being a racist bag of moldy feces) instead of expressing regret over the harm that was caused (read: the position every decent person holds). The actual quote is also a concerning bit of historical revisionism, since he's not saying that himself, he's claiming that was the founding fathers' opinion. There's no reason to believe that - collectively - the founding fathers believed slavery to be evil, even if they felt it was necessary. I'm sure some did, but to suggest that all of them held that position is utter nonsense, and seeks to excuse the past crimes of slavery. I've heard plenty of historians and economists make the argument that slavery was in fact worse for the economy. That productivity would have been higher without it. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:942646798] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>He's not altogether wrong, if you consider establishing the country and its economy in a timely fashion to be necessary (which the founding fathers did). That would have been substantially more difficult if not for slavery, and America and the world would be a very different place because of such a change. The problem is that saying something like that usually needs to be paired with "and as a result, those of us who are benefiting from that economic success owe a great debt to the class that was oppressed to get it, so have some reparations," otherwise you're defending slavery (read: being a racist bag of moldy feces) instead of expressing regret over the harm that was caused (read: the position every decent person holds). The actual quote is also a concerning bit of historical revisionism, since he's not saying that himself, he's claiming that was the founding fathers' opinion. There's no reason to believe that - collectively - the founding fathers believed slavery to be evil, even if they felt it was necessary. I'm sure some did, but to suggest that all of them held that position is utter nonsense, and seeks to excuse the past crimes of slavery.</quote> I've heard plenty of historians and economists make the argument that slavery was in fact worse for the economy. That productivity would have been higher without it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma 07/28/20 4:03:07 AM #19:	Veedrock- posted... Tagged as "pro-slavery." pro-Tom Cotton slavery --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:942678146] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Veedrock- posted... </cite> <quote>Tagged as "pro-slavery."</quote>pro-Tom Cotton slavery </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 07/28/20 4:54:59 AM #20:	Sarcasthma posted... Senator Tom Cotton Holy shit Does his family work in the cotton industry --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:942678898] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Sarcasthma posted... </cite> <quote>Senator Tom Cotton Holy shit</quote>Does his family work in the cotton industry </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan 07/28/20 5:07:52 AM #21:	B-b-b-b-but if slavery hadn't existed, then people would have been forced to... GASP pay their laborers! Civilization would have collapsed if they'd done that! Oh, wait, no, it just means that wealthy fucks wouldn't have been AS wealthy as they were. --- Hi <cite>Gaawa_chan posted [p:942679039] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>B-b-b-b-but if slavery hadn't existed, then people would have been forced to... GASP pay their laborers! Civilization would have collapsed if they'd done that! Oh, wait, no, it just means that wealthy fucks wouldn't have been AS wealthy as they were. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 07/28/20 6:26:46 AM #22:	A country built from the sweat and blood of an oppressed population is an oppressive country and that oppression continues today. --- Align your chakras, it starts with your breathing. http://www.arfalpha.com/ScienceOfBreath/ScienceOfBreath.htm <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:942679968] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>A country built from the sweat and blood of an oppressed population is an oppressive country and that oppression continues today. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 07/28/20 6:53:19 AM #23:	ok, realtalk: Uncomfortable question but I don't know.... Let's say you are a slave in Africa and are about to be sold... would you rather be sold to America or to one of the other slave nations? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:942680307] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>ok, realtalk: Uncomfortable question but I don't know.... Let's say you are a slave in Africa and are about to be sold... would you rather be sold to America or to one of the other slave nations? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma 07/28/20 7:08:55 AM #24:	Lokarin posted... ok, realtalk: Uncomfortable question but I don't know.... Let's say you are a slave in Africa and are about to be sold... would you rather be sold to America or to one of the other slave nations? Which one has the best employee benefits? --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:942680537] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted... </cite> <quote>ok, realtalk: Uncomfortable question but I don't know.... Let's say you are a slave in Africa and are about to be sold... would you rather be sold to America or to one of the other slave nations?</quote>Which one has the best employee benefits? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veedrock- 07/28/20 7:58:29 AM #25:	Sarcasthma posted... pro-Tom Cotton slavery I mean, that's still slavery. And it's not even indiscriminate, it's selective like race-based slavery. --- My friends call me Vee. I'm not your friend, buddy. <cite>Veedrock- posted [p:942681360] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Sarcasthma posted... </cite> <quote>pro-Tom Cotton slavery</quote>I mean, that's still slavery. And it's not even indiscriminate, it's selective like race-based slavery. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 07/28/20 9:10:56 AM #26:	Lokarin posted... ok, realtalk: Uncomfortable question but I don't know.... Let's say you are a slave in Africa and are about to be sold... would you rather be sold to America or to one of the other slave nations? Imagine being lucky enough to get rapes by Thomas Jefferson would be like the slave lottery tbh --- https://imgtc.com/i/sIhpHts.jpg <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:942682966] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted... </cite> <quote>ok, realtalk: Uncomfortable question but I don't know.... Let's say you are a slave in Africa and are about to be sold... would you rather be sold to America or to one of the other slave nations?</quote>Imagine being lucky enough to get rapes by Thomas Jefferson would be like the slave lottery tbh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/28/20 9:32:31 AM #27:	Lokarin posted... ok, realtalk: Uncomfortable question but I don't know.... Let's say you are a slave in Africa and are about to be sold... would you rather be sold to America or to one of the other slave nations? they actually didnt ask the slaves their preference if you can believe it --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:942683545] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted... </cite> <quote>ok, realtalk: Uncomfortable question but I don't know.... Let's say you are a slave in Africa and are about to be sold... would you rather be sold to America or to one of the other slave nations?</quote> they actually didnt ask the slaves their preference if you can believe it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veedrock- 07/28/20 9:44:25 AM #28:	Lok tries real talk and gets Lok-style responses. Gotta love it. --- My friends call me Vee. I'm not your friend, buddy. <cite>Veedrock- posted [p:942683850] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Lok tries real talk and gets Lok-style responses. Gotta love it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 07/28/20 9:53:58 AM #29:	I'd rather serve drinks on a resort island than pick cotton during the summer in Georgia. --- Align your chakras, it starts with your breathing. http://www.arfalpha.com/ScienceOfBreath/ScienceOfBreath.htm <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:942684127] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>I'd rather serve drinks on a resort island than pick cotton during the summer in Georgia. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
papercup 07/28/20 10:00:56 AM #30:	Veedrock- posted... "People I don't like can be property." -papercup 2020 lol --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 <cite>papercup posted [p:942684333] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Veedrock- posted... </cite> <quote>"People I don't like can be property." -papercup 2020</quote> lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 07/28/20 2:35:14 PM #31:	BUMPED2002 posted... Geez some people enjoy pouring salt on an open wound. https://news.yahoo.com/black-lives-matter-arkansas-senator-081831443.html Calling it an "open wound" is a little silly considering that it ended over 150 years ago so even most peoples' grandparents are too young to have to had parents (or even grandparents) who were either impacted by slavery or owned slaves. Nor would his comments have any impact on BLM which is already a barely-controlled blaze. adjl posted... He's not altogether wrong, if you consider establishing the country and its economy in a timely fashion to be necessary (which the founding fathers did). That would have been substantially more difficult if not for slavery, and America and the world would be a very different place because of such a change. The problem is that saying something like that usually needs to be paired with "and as a result, those of us who are benefiting from that economic success owe a great debt to the class that was oppressed to get it, so have some reparations," otherwise you're defending slavery (read: being a racist bag of moldy feces) instead of expressing regret over the harm that was caused (read: the position every decent person holds). The actual quote is also a concerning bit of historical revisionism, since he's not saying that himself, he's claiming that was the founding fathers' opinion. There's no reason to believe that - collectively - the founding fathers believed slavery to be evil, even if they felt it was necessary. I'm sure some did, but to suggest that all of them held that position is utter nonsense, and seeks to excuse the past crimes of slavery. Senator - Slavery is a necessary evil Adjl - He's not entirely wrong >_> While the founders generally compromised on the issue of slavery and kicked that can down the road, it wasn't a necessity and America could have been prosperous without it. That said, America was partly founded to preserve the institution of slavery (since Britain, its "parent nation," was well on the way to banning slavery at that point) and the issue was used to bring onboard states reliant on slave labor (which is very different from a "necessity") who might have not otherwise supported independence. As for the promotion of reparations, no former slaves or slave-owners are alive today. The time when reparations would have needed to have been given (and sometimes were) was immediately following the end of slavery, but that was at a time when an enormously costly war had just concluded. Lokarin posted... ok, realtalk: Uncomfortable question but I don't know.... Let's say you are a slave in Africa and are about to be sold... would you rather be sold to America or to one of the other slave nations? Considering most of them probably didn't even know what America was, I'm not sure that was the most pressing question on their minds. Zedonra posted... How can you say that "US founders viewed slavery as a "necessary evil upon which the union was built"." and then say this "Senator Cotton told the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette that he rejects the idea that the US was a systemically racist country to its core." If the founders viewed slavery as a necessary evil upon which the union was built, then that is SYSTEMATICALLY RACIST. WHAT THE ***? Well, for starters, the system of slavery in the US started off colorblind as indentured servitude (where whites were also* bound to service) and blacks were as able to have indentured servants -- as well as slaves -- as whites. In fact, the system of slavery where it departed from indentured servitude is at least partly owned to an Anthony Johnson, a black man who came to the country from Angola as an indentured servant and later lobbied the courts to turn his indentured servants' time with him permanent Also you don't seem to understand the difference between "systemically" and "systematically," which is another whole discussion but you can go to Grammarly or get Hooked on Phonics or something for that. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:942694678] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>BUMPED2002 posted... </cite> <quote>Geez some people enjoy pouring salt on an open wound. https://news.yahoo.com/black-lives-matter-arkansas-senator-081831443.html</quote> Calling it an "open wound" is a little silly considering that it ended over 150 years ago so even most peoples' grandparents are too young to have to had parents (or even grandparents) who were either impacted by slavery or owned slaves. Nor would his comments have any impact on BLM which is already a barely-controlled blaze. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>He's not altogether wrong, if you consider establishing the country and its economy in a timely fashion to be necessary (which the founding fathers did). That would have been substantially more difficult if not for slavery, and America and the world would be a very different place because of such a change. The problem is that saying something like that usually needs to be paired with "and as a result, those of us who are benefiting from that economic success owe a great debt to the class that was oppressed to get it, so have some reparations," otherwise you're defending slavery (read: being a racist bag of moldy feces) instead of expressing regret over the harm that was caused (read: the position every decent person holds). The actual quote is also a concerning bit of historical revisionism, since he's not saying that himself, he's claiming that was the founding fathers' opinion. There's no reason to believe that - collectively - the founding fathers believed slavery to be evil, even if they felt it was necessary. I'm sure some did, but to suggest that all of them held that position is utter nonsense, and seeks to excuse the past crimes of slavery.</quote> Senator - Slavery is a necessary evil Adjl - He's not entirely wrong >_> While the founders generally compromised on the issue of slavery and kicked that can down the road, it wasn't a necessity and America could have been prosperous without it. That said, America was partly founded to preserve the institution of slavery (since Britain, its "parent nation," was well on the way to banning slavery at that point) and the issue was used to bring onboard states reliant on slave labor (which is very different from a "necessity") who might have not otherwise supported independence. As for the promotion of reparations, no former slaves or slave-owners are alive today. The time when reparations would have needed to have been given (and sometimes were) was immediately following the end of slavery, but that was at a time when an enormously costly war had just concluded. Lokarin posted... </cite> <quote>ok, realtalk: Uncomfortable question but I don't know.... Let's say you are a slave in Africa and are about to be sold... would you rather be sold to America or to one of the other slave nations?</quote> Considering most of them probably didn't even know what America was, I'm not sure that was the most pressing question on their minds. Zedonra posted... </cite> <quote>How can you say that "US founders viewed slavery as a "necessary evil upon which the union was built"." and then say this "Senator Cotton told the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette that he rejects the idea that the US was a systemically racist country to its core." If the founders viewed slavery as a necessary evil upon which the union was built, then that is SYSTEMATICALLY RACIST. WHAT THE ***?</quote> Well, for starters, the system of slavery in the US started off colorblind as indentured servitude (where whites were also* bound to service) and blacks were as able to have indentured servants -- as well as slaves -- as whites. In fact, the system of slavery where it departed from indentured servitude is at least partly owned to an Anthony Johnson, a black man who came to the country from Angola as an indentured servant and later lobbied the courts to turn his indentured servants' time with him permanent Also you don't seem to understand the difference between "systemically" and "systematically," which is another whole discussion but you can go to Grammarly or get Hooked on Phonics or something for that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 07/28/20 10:21:01 PM #32:	Zeus posted... Considering most of them probably didn't even know what America was, I'm not sure that was the most pressing question on their minds. That's not exactly what I meant: Was the quality of life of American slaves above/below/about average compared to other slave nations at the time? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:942712787] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote> Considering most of them probably didn't even know what America was, I'm not sure that was the most pressing question on their minds.</quote> That's not exactly what I meant: Was the quality of life of American slaves above/below/about average compared to other slave nations at the time? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/28/20 11:36:16 PM #33:	Clench281 posted... I've heard plenty of historians and economists make the argument that slavery was in fact worse for the economy. That productivity would have been higher without it. Wouldn't surprise me. At the very least, being reliant on slavery and then having it abruptly abolished was a significant economic blow, and the stability offered by either not relying on slavery in the first place or phasing it out more slowly would have been much better if we're considering abolition to be an inevitability (which I like to think it is in any civilized society). That said, being able to say that in hindsight and being able to predict that at the time are two very different things. I wouldn't be at all surprised if those in charge genuinely felt slavery was necessary to prosper, and the argument can be made that they shouldn't necessarily be faulted for that belief. Now, those who resisted abolition even after it became apparent that slavery wasn't necessary (i.e. British North America/Canada doing a fine job of establishing itself without relying on slaves)? That's significantly less excusable. Yes, it required a substantial philosophical shift to consider slaves to be people instead of subhuman property, but basic decency like that really isn't a lot to ask for anyone that isn't utter trash. That an entire war had to be fought to force that shift on such a large portion of the country is more than a little despicable. Zeus posted... Senator - Slavery is a necessary evil Adjl - He's not entirely wrong >_> You're the LAST person who should be calling anyone out for playing devil's advocate for questionable positions. Lokarin posted... Was the quality of life of American slaves above/below/about average compared to other slave nations at the time? I can't necessarily speak for all of their contemporaries, but the American slave code was one of the most brutal of any major slave-owning nation throughout history, given how thoroughly slaves were stripped of their humanity and personal identity. I'm sure there were still worse countries that could have bought them, but America was not very nice to its slaves, by comparison. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:942715431] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted... </cite> <quote>I've heard plenty of historians and economists make the argument that slavery was in fact worse for the economy. That productivity would have been higher without it.</quote> Wouldn't surprise me. At the very least, being reliant on slavery and then having it abruptly abolished was a significant economic blow, and the stability offered by either not relying on slavery in the first place or phasing it out more slowly would have been much better if we're considering abolition to be an inevitability (which I like to think it is in any civilized society). That said, being able to say that in hindsight and being able to predict that at the time are two very different things. I wouldn't be at all surprised if those in charge genuinely felt slavery was necessary to prosper, and the argument can be made that they shouldn't necessarily be faulted for that belief. Now, those who resisted abolition even after it became apparent that slavery wasn't necessary (i.e. British North America/Canada doing a fine job of establishing itself without relying on slaves)? That's significantly less excusable. Yes, it required a substantial philosophical shift to consider slaves to be people instead of subhuman property, but basic decency like that really isn't a lot to ask for anyone that isn't utter trash. That an entire war had to be fought to force that shift on such a large portion of the country is more than a little despicable. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Senator - Slavery is a necessary evil Adjl - He's not entirely wrong >_></quote> You're the LAST person who should be calling anyone out for playing devil's advocate for questionable positions. Lokarin posted... </cite> <quote>Was the quality of life of American slaves above/below/about average compared to other slave nations at the time?</quote> I can't necessarily speak for all of their contemporaries, but the American slave code was one of the most brutal of any major slave-owning nation throughout history, given how thoroughly slaves were stripped of their humanity and personal identity. I'm sure there were still worse countries that could have bought them, but America was not very nice to its slaves, by comparison. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 07/28/20 11:38:17 PM #34:	One time I looked up a blog post of someone advocating reinstating slavery just for the lulz to see how bitter and racist it would be. Suffice it to say, I wasn't very surprised (though it was so frank and unfiltered that it came across as trying to stir up shit more than state an opinion). --- "It feels like I'm always wrong." "Nah, that's not true...I mean you just made that statement, didn't you?" <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:942715493] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>One time I looked up a blog post of someone advocating reinstating slavery just for the lulz to see how bitter and racist it would be. Suffice it to say, I wasn't very surprised (though it was so frank and unfiltered that it came across as trying to stir up shit more than state an opinion). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 07/28/20 11:45:27 PM #35:	Do you think human civilization could have gotten to the point it was 200 years ago without slavery? --- It's okay, I have no idea who I am either. https://imgur.com/WOo6wcq <cite>Zareth posted [p:942715729] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Do you think human civilization could have gotten to the point it was 200 years ago without slavery? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/28/20 11:46:53 PM #36:	We should be doing a lot more about the slavery that still exists in the world today --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:942715767] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>We should be doing a lot more about the slavery that still exists in the world today </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 07/28/20 11:51:15 PM #37:	Let me put it another way, do you think any of the ancient civilizations, the Mesopotamians, Egyptians, Mayans, etc, would have flourished without slavery? --- It's okay, I have no idea who I am either. https://imgur.com/WOo6wcq <cite>Zareth posted [p:942715889] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Let me put it another way, do you think any of the ancient civilizations, the Mesopotamians, Egyptians, Mayans, etc, would have flourished without slavery? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/28/20 11:53:43 PM #38:	Zareth posted... Let me put it another way, do you think any of the ancient civilizations, the Mesopotamians, Egyptians, Mayans, etc, would have flourished without slavery? maybe they would have advanced and flourished in other ways I mean in our society we value individual freedoms and human rights and were more powerful and advancing faster than at any point in history --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:942715956] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Zareth posted... </cite> <quote>Let me put it another way, do you think any of the ancient civilizations, the Mesopotamians, Egyptians, Mayans, etc, would have flourished without slavery?</quote> maybe they would have advanced and flourished in other ways I mean in our society we value individual freedoms and human rights and were more powerful and advancing faster than at any point in history </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan 07/29/20 2:15:00 AM #39:	Zareth posted... Let me put it another way, do you think any of the ancient civilizations, the Mesopotamians, Egyptians, Mayans, etc, would have flourished without slavery? Yes. --- Hi <cite>Gaawa_chan posted [p:942719366] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Zareth posted... </cite> <quote>Let me put it another way, do you think any of the ancient civilizations, the Mesopotamians, Egyptians, Mayans, etc, would have flourished without slavery?</quote>Yes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 07/29/20 2:37:59 AM #40:	i'll put it another other way.... was flourishing important enough to subvert the flourishing of others? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:942719790] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>i'll put it another other way.... was flourishing important enough to subvert the flourishing of others? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JigsawTDC 07/29/20 2:59:25 AM #41:	Zeus posted... Calling it an "open wound" is a little silly considering that it ended over 150 years ago so even most peoples' grandparents are too young to have to had parents (or even grandparents) who were either impacted by slavery or owned slaves. Nor would his comments have any impact on BLM which is already a barely-controlled blaze. I think you're misunderstanding what OP meant by "open wound" because while there are not many people living today whose parents were slaves (there are some; https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/07/27/slave-son-racism-george-floyd/), the impact of slavery has been generational. The legacy of slavery continued through imprisoning black men for unreasonable amounts of time for petty offenses (thus forcing them back into slavery through the prison system), Jim Crow laws, and legalized redlining. It continues today through the prison-industrual complex, political gerrymandering, and illegal redlining (Flint being an obvious modern example). I think it's absurd to imply that a country founded on racism and exploitation, that has plenty of folks living today who lived through segregation, isn't still grappling with that trauma and history today. Some further reading, if you're interested: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89051115 https://theconversation.com/exploiting-black-labor-after-the-abolition-of-slavery-72482 https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/us-history/civil-war-era/reconstruction/v/failure-of-reconstruction (the whole series on Reconstruction is worth reading/watching, but this video is a highlight) https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/prison-industrial-complex-slavery-racism.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/09/how-a-widespread-practice-to-politically-empower-african-americans-might-actually-harm-them/ https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-modern-day-redlining-20180215-story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/03/28/redlining-was-banned-50-years-ago-its-still-hurting-minorities-today/ https://www.thoughtco.com/school-to-prison-pipeline-4136170 <cite>JigsawTDC posted [p:942720169] in Arkansas s... [t:78874262]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Calling it an "open wound" is a little silly considering that it ended over 150 years ago so even most peoples' grandparents are too young to have to had parents (or even grandparents) who were either impacted by slavery or owned slaves. Nor would his comments have any impact on BLM which is already a barely-controlled blaze.</quote> I think you're misunderstanding what OP meant by "open wound" because while there are not many people living today whose parents were slaves (there are some; https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/07/27/slave-son-racism-george-floyd/), the impact of slavery has been generational. The legacy of slavery continued through imprisoning black men for unreasonable amounts of time for petty offenses (thus forcing them back into slavery through the prison system), Jim Crow laws, and legalized redlining. It continues today through the prison-industrual complex, political gerrymandering, and illegal redlining (Flint being an obvious modern example). I think it's absurd to imply that a country founded on racism and exploitation, that has plenty of folks living today who lived through segregation, isn't still grappling with that trauma and history today. Some further reading, if you're interested: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89051115 https://theconversation.com/exploiting-black-labor-after-the-abolition-of-slavery-72482 https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/us-history/civil-war-era/reconstruction/v/failure-of-reconstruction (the whole series on Reconstruction is worth reading/watching, but this video is a highlight) https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/prison-industrial-complex-slavery-racism.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/09/how-a-widespread-practice-to-politically-empower-african-americans-might-actually-harm-them/ https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-modern-day-redlining-20180215-story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/03/28/redlining-was-banned-50-years-ago-its-still-hurting-minorities-today/ https://www.thoughtco.com/school-to-prison-pipeline-4136170 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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