Current Events > ''Some genuine questions for my Christian friends who support the Democrats''

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1. What is the moral justification as a Christian for supporting a candidate/party/platform that unabashedly supports killing 3,000 innocent human beings through abortion every day in this country?
2. Why are you more concerned with the rhetoric and personal character flaws of Trump than you are with the actual violence committed every day through dismembering 3,000 children in the womb?
3. You speak often of character and its importance. Why not take into account the fact that the Democratic Party/candidate/platform actively supports using a vacuum to suction off the arms and legs of children in the womb, and a scalpel to cut them to pieces while they are still alive? Why is their support for this practice not a reflection of character?
4. Why should personal character trump (no pun intended) policy? Is it better to have a president of bad character who helps enact good policy, or a nice president who cares about YOU but whose policy and agenda are bad for the country?
None of this means you have to support or vote for Trump (you could vote 3rd party). What I am intrigued by is why many Christians feel compelled to speak out against Trumps moral character but seem to have no moral qualms in supporting a pro-abortion party/candidate/platform.

Friend posted this on FB. I'll reply whatever you guys say

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im not just pro-choice, but pro-abortion

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This is really just saying abortion is murder and therefore is the biggest issue in the country right now.

Bananana posted...

im not just pro-choice, but pro-abortion

SSJCAT posted...

3,000 isnt enough

And when there are people who say stuff like this, it's not surprising there are people who say abortion is murder and it's no longer a thoughtful discussion.

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3,000 isnt enough

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SSJCAT posted...

3,000 isnt enough

not even close

spare all from this hell; its the only humane thing

tl;dr: but abortion

just reply with "a fetus isn't a person/child ergo your entire argument is invalid"

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Damn_Underscore posted...

This is really just saying abortion is murder and therefore is the biggest issue in the country right now.

And when there are people who say stuff like this, it's not surprising there are people who say abortion is murder and it's no longer a thoughtful discussion.

its not a thoughtful discussion the minute someone says their argument is based on their religion and not the real world

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Bananana posted...

im not just pro-choice, but pro-abortion

This.

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So, this just boils down to "Abortion is the only issue that matters."

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Solar_Crimson posted...

So, this just boils down to "Abortion is the only issue that matters."

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Bananana posted...

its not a thoughtful discussion the minute someone says their argument is based on their religion and not the real world

The question is when does a human become a human.

That is a a philosophical question, you can't dismiss it because you don't like religion. If you do you have exactly the same mindset of people who think "religion is murder because my religion tells me so", without really giving any thought to the question. Some people are going to determine the answer to that question is before or after what you determine it is.

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God apparently had no issue killing kids, period.

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

tl;dr: but abortion

just reply with "a fetus isn't a person/child ergo your entire argument is invalid"

Let's just pretend that has ever worked.

It's really best to just ignore this person. You gain nothing by stooping to their level.

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Here's an answer for 1.

I support small government. So even if I'm personally against abortion I also feel like the government shouldn't have a say in it at all.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

So, this just boils down to "Abortion is the only issue that matters."

If abortion was murder and 3000 people a day were being killed because of it, it probably would be the biggest issue in America.

It's actually not really that surprising that many people who think abortion is murder are single-issue voters. The only way to prevent that is for them to stop believing that abortion is murder.

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still not sure what abortion has to do with christianity.

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"Please cite chapter and verse where the Bible guides your opposition to abortion that is strong enough to constitute a single-issue stance."

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Choco posted...

still not sure what abortion has to do with christianity.

They think conception grants personhood, so in their eyes abortion has been an ongoing, unrivaled genocide. It's insane.

Choco posted...

still not sure what abortion has to do with christianity.

Someone realized 50+ years ago that abortion is the ultimate divisive political issue

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is your friend the guy from the beginning of Insomnia who thinks aborted baby body parts are getting shipped around town in oil drums

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Abortion is sinful/abomination just as lying, stealing, adultery, witchcraft, but wait.

Trump insults people left and right. Doesn the bible say be slow to anger? Scratch that there a mess of verses about hating and causing strife to others and Trump is doing just that. I'm a Christian and my mom put the "but abortion" on me and told her Trump represents everything the bible warned us about. He insults people, lies, to prideful, married and divorce, has two or more towers in his name. Trump Tower, that in itself should have red flags

So no, one thing does not override everything else.

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1. What is the moral justification as a Christian for supporting a candidate/party/platform that unabashedly supports killing 3,000 innocent human beings through abortion every day in this country?

R U holding yourself to that standard?

2. Why are you more concerned with the rhetoric and personal character flaws of Trump than you are with the actual violence committed every day through dismembering 3,000 children in the womb?

You assume whatever Trump says is phasing me to begin with

3. You speak often of character and its importance. Why not take into account the fact that the Democratic Party/candidate/platform actively supports using a vacuum to suction off the arms and legs of children in the womb, and a scalpel to cut them to pieces while they are still alive? Why is their support for this practice not a reflection of character?

This is true, I'm not sure why Democrats do so - I however, don't condone that

4. Why should personal character trump (no pun intended) policy? Is it better to have a president of bad character who helps enact good policy, or a nice president who cares about YOU but whose policy and agenda are bad for the country?

Why r u doing so much assuming, it seems you already know us, why are you even asking us when you already have the answers?

None of this means you have to support or vote for Trump (you could vote 3rd party). What I am intrigued by is why many Christians feel compelled to speak out against Trumps moral character but seem to have no moral qualms in supporting a pro-abortion party/candidate/platform.

The qualm is there, we just have our own thoughts about that - but you don't really need to concern yourself with that right now since my answer it's not going to affect you or sastify your curiosity

Hinakuluiau posted...

Friend posted this on FB. I'll reply whatever you guys say

1) what is your justification for supporting a candidate who has 3 divorces, cheated on his wife with a porn star, was caught on tape bragging about hitting on a married woman and saying he just walks to women and grabs them by the p****?

why would you vote for someone who wants to build a wall when Christian doctrine says love thy neighbor and who wants to take away healthcare when Christian doctrine says anoint the sick?

2) why are you more concerned about children in the womb than the newborn babies who get separated from their mothers, put in cages and suffer famine, disease and sometimes end with human traffickers?

3) let us talk about policy then. What part of fostering hate on people for the color of their skin makes for good policy? Who says its good policy to roll back civil liberties, favor your millionaire friends, and roll back environmental safety regulations?

@Hinakuluiau

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ThePieReborn posted...

God apparently had no issue killing kids, period.

I like how they ignore in the Bible the ritual the Hebrews had where if you think your wife cheated on you she has to drink bitter water. If she has a miscarriage well she was a dirty cheater. Praise God that we know! It's in Numbers somewhere.

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what's his justification for supporting a president who is trying to repeal health care coverage for millions during a health crisis

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Hexenherz posted...

what's his justification for supporting a president who is trying to repeal health care coverage for millions during a health crisis

especially when he is trying to play the Christian angle and the church says anoint the sick

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Master_Bass posted...

I like how they ignore in the Bible the ritual the Hebrews had where if you think your wife cheated on you she has to drink bitter water. If she has a miscarriage well she was a dirty cheater. Praise God that we know! It's in Numbers somewhere.

Chapter 5 specifically, as I recall.

Then there's that bit in Exodus 21 that basically equates the loss of a fetus to property damage, and not murder.

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Theres no real reason to believe that a hail mary attempt at overturning Roe v. Wade in the Supreme Court will yield better results in reducing abortion deaths than policies that improve sex education and access to preventative birth control. These are policies that republicans generally do not favor.

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Didnt Trump try to ban it and it didnt pass? Seems like it shouldnt be an issue if its unable to be overturned by the Supreme Court

The Democratic Party supports policies that actively work to reduce the number of abortions. Legislation is rarely the most effective way to change behavior.

Banning abortion won't reduce the incidence much, but providing excellent, affordable access to health care, including family planning/birth control, does.

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If he his cool with170,000 dead Americans, why is he upset about 3000 unborn ones?

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Just point out that every time Republicans control all 3 branches of the federal government they dont even try to outlaw abortion. Republican politicians don't want to ban abortion because then they'll lose all the single issue voters.

Master_Bass posted...

I like how they ignore in the Bible the ritual the Hebrews had where if you think your wife cheated on you she has to drink bitter water. If she has a miscarriage well she was a dirty cheater. Praise God that we know! It's in Numbers somewhere.

Not to mention the slaughter of all of Egypt's firstborn, "cleansing" floods, plagues...there's not a great track record with regards to children, if you ask me.

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1. What is the moral justification as a Christian for supporting a candidate/party/platform that unabashedly supports killing 3,000 innocent human beings through abortion every day in this country?

That both sides have policies we may not agree with. I don't like the untold damage Republicans do to our economy, which affects far more than 3000

2. Why are you more concerned with the rhetoric and personal character flaws of Trump than you are with the actual violence committed every day through dismembering 3,000 children in the womb?

Why are you more concerned with the unborn, than the Kurds Trump left to die? Or the near war he got us in in Iran? Or the -

3. You speak often of character and its importance. Why not take into account the fact that the Democratic Party/candidate/platform actively supports using a vacuum to suction off the arms and legs of children in the womb, and a scalpel to cut them to pieces while they are still alive? Why is their support for this practice not a reflection of character?

Roe v Wade isn't getting overturned even if you vote Republican...
Also a death of an unborn was treated the same as property loss in the Old Testament.


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heres my answer-
its their body, their choice. the baby isnt really conscious yet. its not yet a child. murdering a baby in its sleep after its born is murder, but if they dont want to have a child, then thats that.

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"Genuine question for my Christian comrades; If saving lives is the only thing that matters, how do you justify voting for conservatives and Republicans, that restrict and rescind help for existing, unequivocal lives?

Democrats do more to improve and extend lives; for the few unborn fetuses they have no duty to protect because they acknowledge the rights of women, and no body can morally acknowledge the rights of fetuses, they improve and extend the lives of the living, whom they have a duty to protect

If Republicans cared about the debatable "life" of the aborted, why do they do so little to improve, and so much to prevent improvement of existing lives? The lives that they do have a duty to represent and improve

The choice is easy, and the slow murder of many children's lives, and even adult's lives, outweighs any issue of fetuses"

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Bananana posted...

im not just pro-choice, but pro-abortion

Well that's what pro-choice means.

this is why I stopped going on Facebook

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https://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/10/how-i-lost-faith-in-the-pro-life-movement.html

Also these questions are basically the same question stretched out more shamelessly than a senior's capstone thesis to make it look like he has more of a point than he does...

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Here are my favorite Jesus quotes about abortion

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from a tolstoyan standpoint anyone actively participating in this system, democrat or republican, is in conflict with the essence of christ's teachings because of the atrocities against one's fellow man it - statism - condones

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To be fair neither party are compatible with Christs message but the Democrats are certainly a bit closer to it.

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Single issue voters are idiots.

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"waaaaahhhhh abortion shut the fuck up" then unfriend that shithead.

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conservatives seem to be so determined to throw out the baby with the bathwater over the abortion "issue". It's never getting outlawed, Republicans just make it more expensive.

DrizztLink posted...

Single issue voters are idiots.

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marthsheretoo posted...

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/10/how-i-lost-faith-in-the-pro-life-movement.html

Also these questions are basically the same question stretched out more shamelessly than a senior's capstone thesis to make it look like he has more of a point than he does...

That was an interesting read.

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Abortions rock - God actually loves abortions, he performs about a million himself every year in the US alone! And those are just the ones we know about - plenty of fertilized eggs never implant and just come out as a normal period but since life starts at conception technically they must still count. In fact some studies estimate that up to 50% of all fertilizations result in miscarriage, often with the mother never even knowing she was pregnant! So you see, abortions are GOOD. They are just us doing some of Gods work for him.

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