Current Events > Kenosha Wisconsin Police Shoot Black Man as He's Getting in Car

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If the source in this article is correct, the victims kids were in the car at the time of the shooting. Pretty fucking awful if true.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/23/wisconsin-police-shooting-kenosha-cops-shoot-man-sunday-evening/3427347001/

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Alucard188 posted...

I'd love to see the body cam footage from that. There has to be something that triggered the police other than being black in America.

https://www.newsweek.com/kenosha-police-werent-wearing-body-cameras-1527131

Guess we wont ever be seeing that.

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Fuck cops

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CE_gonna_CE posted...

https://www.newsweek.com/kenosha-police-werent-wearing-body-cameras-1527131

Guess we wont ever be seeing that.

<_< .......

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Don't know if this is from Kenosha since it's reddit and they have a tendency of just slapping random shit together without verifying the facts first, but ...

https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ifplxo/last_night_blm_shut_down_the_street_in_kenosha/

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How are body cams not standard issue by now?

I mean even the cheapest smartphones are $40 and if we're stripping it down to a camera and storage it'd be less that that

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Will_Vill posted...

How are body cams not standard issue by now?

I mean even the cheapest smartphones are $40 and if we're stripping it down to a camera and storage it'd be less that that

The issue isn't the cameras. It's that only a handful of companies offer body camera data storage as a service, and since police with body cameras are required to keep their footage for certain amount of time it's literally bankrupting smaller Police departments.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/some-us-police-departments-dump-body-camera-programs-amid-high-
costs/2019/01/21/991f0e66-03ad-11e9-b6a9-0aa5c2fcc9e4_story.html

But before a single incident could be recorded in the village of 3,000 people, Mee retired, and the new chief, George Carpenter, persuaded the Village Board in February to cancel the program, arguing that the $20,000 annual fee for the cameras and video storage couldnt be justified amid budget concerns.

The police department in Wahoo, Neb., ended its program in November after a new state law required video to be stored for at least 90 days, causing the annual price to spike to $15,000 a big cost for a force of five officers. In Arlington County, Va., the police department decided not to use body cameras after a pilot project revealed an estimated annual cost of $300,000.

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let's wait for more information first.

we also know this:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgKgtcEU8AAAyck?format=png&name=900x900

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bloodydeath0 posted...

let's wait for more information first.

we also know this:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgKgtcEU8AAAyck?format=png&name=900x900

i see the character assassination has begun

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CE_gonna_CE posted...

the video shows the shooting

how is a literal murder allowed on this site what the hell >_>

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What happened to the other topic?

TheGoldenEel posted...

i see the character assassination has begun

It's not character assassination to point out a guy had an active arrest warrant for multiple domestic violence incidents, and 3rd degree assault.

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bloodydeath0 posted...

let's wait for more information first.

we also know this:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgKgtcEU8AAAyck?format=png&name=900x900

why are you doing this?

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The cop should have let him get whatever it was that he was reaching for or if he wanted to get into the car and maybe drive away. Theres no excuse for what that cop did, especially with 3 children in the vehicle. #ACAB

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CE_gonna_CE posted...

If the source in this article is correct, the victims kids were in the car at the time of the shooting. Pretty fucking awful if true.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/23/wisconsin-police-shooting-kenosha-cops-shoot-man-sunday-evening/3427347001/

Just adding fuel to the fire. Those kids will grow up with one of their earliest encounters with a police officer being one excessively shooting their father in front of them.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

It is since none of those things have anything at all to do with the cops murdering him in front of his children.

Uh, yeah, it does. If cops get called to a domestic disturbance call, and theres a guy who has an active warrant for domestic abuse and rape, as well as a history of illegal firearm possession, and he both ignores police orders to stop and tries reaching into his vehicle, all those things matter in the context of the situation and how things happened the way they did.


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I saw the video, and all I can really say is that if you have police pointing guns at you and telling you to stop, you don't walk away and try to enter your vehicle. They will shoot you, regardless of race, because they know that people commonly keep guns in their vehicles. I hate that this happened and I hate that it happened in front of his children. He made a poor decision.

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Null_Mime posted...

Uh, yeah, it does. If cops get called to a domestic disturbance call, and theres a guy who has an active warrant for domestic abuse and rape, as well as a history of illegal firearm possession, and he both ignores police orders to stop and tries reaching into his vehicle, all those things matter in the context of the situation and how things happened the way they did.

So you believe they were justified in this shooting?

s0nicfan posted...

The issue isn't the cameras. It's that only a handful of companies offer body camera data storage as a service, and since police with body cameras are required to keep their footage for certain amount of time it's literally bankrupting smaller Police departments.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/some-us-police-departments-dump-body-camera-programs-amid-high-
costs/2019/01/21/991f0e66-03ad-11e9-b6a9-0aa5c2fcc9e4_story.html

but theyre probably still paying cops $70/hr to stand there and direct traffic during construction


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Ruvan22 posted...

So you believe they were justified in this shooting?

It kinda depends what the cop who started shooting saw from his angle

And what you mean "they"? Is it even confirmed that more than one cop opened fire?


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Just read up about this. I hope these cops rot.

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They need a better hiring process for cops.

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thronedfire2 posted...

but theyre probably still paying cops $70/hr to stand there and direct traffic during construction

I don't know why people exaggerate so much about what cops get paid lol.

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Its a bad one.

Police had every right to take Blake into custody, but their approach and tactics were fucking awful, and hes critical largely because of that.

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so instead of tackling this unarmed man in the open as they both slowly walked around the car, he instead waited for him for lean in the car so he could execute him. And he couldn't even do that right

why the fuck don't cops know how to descalate a situation
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No amount of crimes this man may have committed in the past makes it excusable to execute him.

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Bananana posted...

No amount of crimes this man may have committed in the past makes it excusable to execute him.

doesnt mean the usual suspects wont try...

Alexanaxela posted...

so instead of tackling this unarmed man in the open as they both slowly walked around the car, he instead waited for him for lean in the car so he could execute him. And he couldn't even do that right

why the fuck don't cops know how to descalate a situation

They tased him and it didn't work, IIRC.

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This is why I tell guys not the expect the Taser to do their job for them; the amount of times Ive seen it not lock someone up is unreal.

Have a back-up plan. That shit was abysmal.

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eston posted...

I saw the video, and all I can really say is that if you have police pointing guns at you and telling you to stop, you don't walk away and try to enter your vehicle. They will shoot you, regardless of race, because they know that people commonly keep guns in their vehicles. I hate that this happened and I hate that it happened in front of his children. He made a poor decision.

This is bullshit. Jacob Blake displayed zero aggression, and just stepped into the car. Also, if this was true, the cops would be saying this, and not just "we're investigating." There is no way the cop can justify fearing for his life because the guy was getting in his car. I highly doubt the cops are allowed to shoot just because he thinks the guy might have a gun.

And the victim's actions should not be the focus here. The cop's action was a much greater "poor decision" here.

Saw some murmurings about him having a knife, and that being the reason they were called in the first place. Also some versions have him talking about going to his car to get a gun.

Not sure if these guys had body cams or not.

Obviously Im not stating this as factual information, just things Ive seen starting to circulate.

Well see, because from this angle, it looks real terrible.

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If you want to share an unedited, non trolling comments version of the shooting...

Warning: contains violent images.

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https://www.youtu.be/K0DSTV7XT1E
RAW VIDEO: Jacob Blake police shooting
13,581 views / Aug 24, 2020

So it looks like a YouTube URL can't be put into spoiler comments? Huh!!
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Patchwork posted...

Saw some murmurings about him having a knife, and that being the reason they were called in the first place. Also some versions have him talking about going to his car to get a gun.

Not sure if these guys had body cams or not.

come on man. Youre better than this, youre the good cop, youre no DP

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TopKekBro posted...

come on man. Youre better than this, youre the good cop, youre no DP

Im just relaying what Ive seen start to emerge. Ive stated more than once in here already it looks like a horrendously unjustified shooting.

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Wait I thought it was another guy with a knife who got tased? I read an article where people were protesting a shooting where a guy with a knife caused a disturbance in a convenience store, was tased to no effect, then was shot when he tried to go in another store.

But here the guy was just going to his car.

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For anyone still tracking this, the BBC posted an update which includes testimony from the person who filmed the incident.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53908303

The person who shot the video, Raysean White, said that before he began taking it, he saw police wrestle with Mr Blake. He said police punched and Tasered Mr Blake.

"Jacob kind of leaned on the car and they proceeded to wrestle him toward the back of the car and he went to the other side," Mr White told CNN.

It was then he started recording. Mr Blake is shown walking around the front of the SUV. The two officers closest to Mr Blake at this point on the video are white males.

As he opens the door and leans into the car, one officer can be seen grabbing his shirt and opening fire. Seven shots can be heard in the video, as witnesses shout and scream.

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monkeysRfunny posted...

Wait I thought it was another guy with a knife who got tased? I read an article where people were protesting a shooting where a guy with a knife caused a disturbance in a convenience store, was tased to no effect, then was shot when he tried to go in another store.

But here the guy was just going to his car.

Two separate incidents, I believe. I heard about the one youre describing, too.

Theyre similar, but yes, the other one involved a male armed with a knife attempting to re-enter a convenience store.

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tm315 posted...

I highly doubt the cops are allowed to shoot just because he thinks the guy might have a gun.

Cops are allowed to shoot for any reason at all

Remember that cop that shot a whole family at Costco because he fell down?

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Cops are allowed to shoot for any reason at all

Remember that cop that shot a whole family at Costco because he fell down?

Cops are not allowed to shoot for any reason at all, but the problem in some of these instances is that the legal standard lies with a reasonableness that has to take into account what the officer saw, felt, and knew at the time.

That leaves no clear-cut definition as to when lethal force is allowed, and it would be very difficult to legislate an across-the-board point at which lethal force is authorized because of the fluidity of these interactions.

None of us want to see people dying. No cop I know wants to have to pull the trigger on another human being. We all know we may have to, and some of us are better equipped physically, mentally, and emotionally to deal with certain situations that might help prevent the escalation to lethal force.

However, it is sometimes an unavoidable point, and there have been plenty of shootings on video that can attest to the inescapable nature of a fatal confrontation on the right (or wrong) day, night, etc.

My issues with this shooting are extensive.

1. I would like a definitive answer as to the nature of the initial contact.
2. I would like to hear the interaction with Blake, from beginning to end.
3. I would like to know if Blake had a knife, as it looks like in that still frame.
4. The officers handled this incredibly poorly, from a tactical standpoint. You have a subject with an active arrest warrant, previous violent history (which they may or may not have known), who is, at best, non compliant but more likely actively resisting arrest. You have the numbers, youre approximately 2-3 feet from him, and you know that thats his vehicle. Stop relying on your taser to be the be-all, end-all. At that distance, youre not getting the spread to lock his body up anyway. Youre close enough that, if he does have a knife, youre already beyond the point of no return. You need to push forward and engage, control his arms.
5. The other officers need to circle around and prevent Blake from getting to that driver door. I know theres a lot going on, but Ive been in knock-down drag out fights, and I know the guys that showed up had the awareness to cut off means of escape and/or weapon retrieval; this is why high intensity types of trainings are beneficial to preventing shootings, not contributive.

I also have clear, unequivocal issues with firing your weapon into a vehicle, especially one with children inside.

This is not an exhaustive list of my issues with this, as Im typing this on my phone while pumping gas, but you get the gist.


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Patchwork posted...

Cops are not allowed to shoot for any reason at all, but the problem in some of these instances is that the legal standard lies with a reasonableness that has to take into account what the officer saw, felt, and knew at the time.

That leaves no clear-cut definition as to when lethal force is allowed, and it would be very difficult to legislate an across-the-board point at which lethal force is authorized because of the fluidity of these interactions.

None of us want to see people dying. No cop I know wants to have to pull the trigger on another human being. We all know we may have to, and some of us are better equipped physically, mentally, and emotionally to deal with certain situations that might help prevent the escalation to lethal force.

However, it is sometimes an unavoidable point, and there have been plenty of shootings on video that can attest to the inescapable nature of a fatal confrontation on the right (or wrong) day, night, etc.

My issues with this shooting are extensive.

1. I would like a definitive answer as to the nature of the initial contact.
2. I would like to hear the interaction with Blake, from beginning to end.
3. I would like to know if Blake had a knife, as it looks like in that still frame.
4. The officers handled this incredibly poorly, from a tactical standpoint. You have a subject with an active arrest warrant, previous violent history (which they may or may not have known), who is, at best, non compliant but more likely actively resisting arrest. You have the numbers, youre approximately 2-3 feet from him, and you know that thats his vehicle. Stop relying on your taser to be the be-all, end-all. At that distance, youre not getting the spread to lock his body up anyway. Youre close enough that, if he does have a knife, youre already beyond the point of no return. You need to push forward and engage, control his arms.
5. The other officers need to circle around and prevent Blake from getting to that driver door. I know theres a lot going on, but Ive been in knock-down drag out fights, and I know the guys that showed up had the awareness to cut off means of escape and/or weapon retrieval; this is why high intensity types of trainings are beneficial to preventing shootings, not contributive.
I also have clear, unequivocal issues with firing your weapon into a vehicle, especially one with children inside.

This is not an exhaustive list of my issues with this, as Im typing this on my phone while pumping gas, but you get the gist.

I am very impressed with this reasonable, balanced, thought out post - kudos Patchwerk

This man has done a very good analysis of the cellphone video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDRspoyVa_I

Now it's time for bed, I pray for America and for the family of Jacob. Make he recover and walk again.
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s0nicfan posted...

The issue isn't the cameras. It's that only a handful of companies offer body camera data storage as a service, and since police with body cameras are required to keep their footage for certain amount of time it's literally bankrupting smaller Police departments.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/some-us-police-departments-dump-body-camera-programs-amid-high-
costs/2019/01/21/991f0e66-03ad-11e9-b6a9-0aa5c2fcc9e4_story.html

Maybe if they spent less purchasing surplus military-grade hardware and more on initiatives that ensure they are held accountable for actions like this, people might not be as upset as they are........

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Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

surplus military-grade hardware

like what?

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Who trains these cops? Barney Fief?

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DirkDiggles posted...

Who trains these cops? Barney Fief?

This guy

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.insider.com/bulletproof-dave-grossman-police-trainer-teaching-officers-how-to-kill-2020-6%3famp

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bloodydeath0 posted...

like what?

lol

my man, the surplus program isnt anything new or hidden. take a quick trip over to google and do some homework if youd like to learn more

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Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

lol

my man, the surplus program isnt anything new or hidden. take a quick trip over to google and do some homework if youd like to learn more

"The 1033 program was instituted in 1997 under the Clinton administration amid pressure to bolster police forces ability to fight the war on drugs. It transfers the militarys extra or outdated gear to state and local authorities who apply for it, who are responsible only for the cost of shipping."

this?

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