Current Events > confirm/deny: i think resisting arrest should be something that is allowed

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how does this board see "resisting arrest" ?
is the time of arrest the right time to fight? should resisting arrest be allowable under law? how should this work, CE?

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if you are voting confirm, words would be helpful
anyone should be able to resist arrest? how would that work?

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Some people just react instinctively - they're in danger and wish to get out of danger, which involves resistance.

There should be better training for handling resisting.

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someone being (naturally and expectedly) scared and running/moving around as a result of being arrested should not be penalized even further, especially when cops shoot on sight because they get scared at every tiny fucking thing

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Tired-Insomniac posted...

Some people just react instinctively - they're in danger and wish to get out of danger, which involves resistance.

There should be better training for handling resisting.

how? when resistance involves either escape or violence?
what would better training look like?

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Bananana posted...

someone being (naturally and expectedly) scared and running/moving around as a result of being arrested should not be penalized even further, especially when cops shoot on sight because they get scared at every tiny fucking thing

so then cops should give chase until the resistor gets tired and is willing to comply?

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The Trent posted...

how? when resistance involves either escape or violence?
what would better training look like?

Anything's better than "lol imma shoot this guy"

But honestly, I've seen lots of Live PD videos where the suspect was resisting, and going fucking nuts, and the officers were able to deescalate the situation and get the guy under control. Guns stayed in their holster.

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They slap resisting arrest onto any situation where the person doesn't ragdoll into their arms exactly how they like.

It's literally a charge they give people when they're being wrongfully detained, and it's just another charge they'll slap onto others to make their punishment seem worse.

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Tired-Insomniac posted...

Anything's better than "lol imma shoot this guy"

so give chase until they give up? seriously when a guy makes a break for it, what should the response be?
"anything" isn't an answer

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StarReaper13 posted...

They slap resisting arrest onto any situation where the person doesn't ragdoll into their arms exactly how they like.

It's literally a charge they give people when they're being wrongfully detained, and it's just another charge they'll slap onto others to make their punishment seem worse.

it's literally something that's been caught on video multiple times in these incidents?

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The Trent posted...

so then cops should give chase until the resistor gets tired and is willing to comply?

Lmao, I dont think its the resistor that will get tired. You ever take a look at these pigs?

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The Trent posted...

so then cops should give chase until the resistor gets tired and is willing to comply?

essentially. you can tell in 98% of cases when someone is just instinctively reacting vs. when they're actually trying to plot an escape and/or injure people. cops should be trained to a) be physically fit enough to catch somebody who is running and b) to actually have an understanding of how to read a situation (this in conjunction with the fact that most arrests shouldn't happen in the first place and should be treated differently)

it's absolutely ridiculous to expect citizens to remain totally calm and placid at gunpoint when cops can't even do the same not at gunpoint

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DontHateMe posted...

Lmao, I dont think its the resistor that will get tired. You ever take a look at these pigs?

so then the resistor gets away when they resist and that's the ideal outcome?


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Bananana posted...

essentially. you can tell in 98% of cases when someone is just instinctively reacting vs. when they're actually trying to plot an escape and/or injure people. cops should be trained to a) be physically fit enough to catch somebody who is running and b) to actually have an understanding of how to read a situation (this in conjunction with the fact that most arrests shouldn't happen in the first place and should be treated differently)

it's absolutely ridiculous to expect citizens to remain totally calm and placid at gunpoint when cops can't even do the same not at gunpoint

so magic wand, cops are now physically fit and can read a situation
guy resists, he runs, they catch him and tell him again that he's arrested and he's not down for that? what then?

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Godnorgosh posted...

Confirm: TC thinks resisting arrest is something that should be allowed

something something comrade

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The Trent posted...

so magic wand, cops are now physically fit and can read a situation
guy resists, he runs, they catch him and tell him again that he's arrested and he's not down for that? what then?

if there's a violent criminal who is avoiding being arrested, a police officer should be able to detain them without shooting and killing them. and adding an additional charge for resisting arrest is downright evil

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Bananana posted...

if there's a violent criminal who is avoiding being arrested, a police officer should be able to detain them without shooting and killing them. and adding an additional charge for resisting arrest is downright evil

gotcha

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come on up, other poll topic

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It shouldn't be 'allowed' but US police officers need to learn approaches to dealing with it that don't result in death.

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IloveJesus posted...

It shouldn't be 'allowed' but US police officers need to learn approaches to dealing with it that don't result in death.

i mean you realize that this implies that almost all interactions where police officers are dealing with resisting arrest do result in death?
there's no way statistics could back up this notion

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Cops: "Youre under arrest!"
Person: "Im resisting."
Cops: "Damn it. Well played, sir"

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The Trent posted...

i mean you realize that this implies that almost all interactions where police officers are dealing with resisting arrest do result in death?
there's no way statistics could back up this notion

The fact is, US police officers shoot people who don't need shooting. It's not an incredibly rare occurrence, which is indicative of a problem with either their attitude, their training or both.

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IloveJesus posted...

The fact is, US police officers shoot people who don't need shooting. It's not an incredibly rare occurrence, which is indicative of a problem with either their attitude, their training or both.

i would argue the exact opposite, but neither of us have any information or data on this i'm guessing
i'd say that it probably is a pretty rare occurrence, if you take total number of interactions between police and civilians in the country and then percentage that against number of "officers shoot people who don't need shooting" then i'd guess the number you get is quite small
but i don't know what sort of metrics or thought process you'd use to make a declaration that it is a common occurrence

note: nowhere am i saying that police are good or that i love police or that they're great or they don't need revisions to attitude or training or both

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I'd say definitely for an arrest where the cop isn't following the correct procedures or the law. If you're on my property with no warrant, no signs of an immediate threat or no signs of illegal activity, you don't need to be putting your hands on me.

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Yes resisting arrest is fine. Especially if i'm black and you're white. You already have an advantage over me so it's only fair if I can resist.

The Trent posted...

i would argue the exact opposite, but neither of us have any information or data on this i'm guessing
i'd say that it probably is a pretty rare occurrence, if you take total number of interactions between police and civilians in the country and then percentage that against number of "officers shoot people who don't need shooting" then i'd guess the number you get is quite small
but i don't know what sort of metrics or thought process you'd use to make a declaration that it is a common occurrence

note: nowhere am i saying that police are good or that i love police or that they're great or they don't need revisions to attitude or training or both

Notice that my wording isn't claiming that it's incredibly common; just that it's more common than it should be.

As somebody who doesn't live in the US, the amount of cases in the UK we hear about of people being shot by police when they shouldn't be seems ludicrously high. I think it's been normalised over there, but American culture towards guns does seem pretty odd to the rest of the world.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Unlawful arrests should absolutely be resisted.

does "i disagree with being arrested right now" qualify as an unlawful arrest?

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No... if you havent done anything wrong you shouldn't have to worry (key word shouldn't)

The fact you think it should be acceptable is a symptom of a much, much larger issue.

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A lot of "sovereign citizens" on this board lol.

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Resisting arrest shouldnt be just cause to be shot or killed.

You shouldnt do it, but in times of crisis or extreme duress, I cant blame everyone who resists arrest.

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I think if you are about to be under arrest or about to be detained, you can pull an actual card out of your pocket and bare knuckle box to attempt to get out of the charge. First one to hit the ground loses their case. This should obviously happen

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MFBKBass5 posted...

Resisting arrest shouldnt be just cause to be shot or killed.

then what should it mean?
what should cops be trained to do if a suspect engages in physical behavior or flees the scene?

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SolidShadow3 posted...

if you havent done anything wrong you shouldn't have to worry

This is the biggest fucking bullshit ever.

1. You're mixing up wrong with illegal
2. Being arrested is something that happens when you do something illegal, not when you do something wrong
3. The legal code is so fucking obnoxious that it's impossible to not break the law. The average American commits 3 felonies a day. (James Duane, You Have The Right To Remain Innocent, pg 21)

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I got resisting arrest because the jolly old boys in blue were hopped up on something and wanted to beat a teenagers ass for no reason. fuck off.

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Shablagoo posted...

I got resisting arrest because the jolly old boys in blue were hopped up on something and wanted to beat a teenagers ass for no reason. fuck off.

i'm sorry that happened to you. you fuck off too.

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https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/resisting-arrest.html

It may be hard to believe that responding slowly, or reluctantly to an officer's general commands could lead to a resisting arrest charge. But it's true, sometimes an arrest doesn't need to be in progress to be charged with this crime.

This is BS.

As a general definition, a defendant resists arrest when they intentionally prevent an officer from making a lawful arrest or discharging any other official duty, and the person creates a substantial risk of bodily injury to the officer or anyone else, or acts in a way that justifies use of force to overcome the resistance.

This is perfectly reasonable.

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The Trent posted...

i'm sorry that happened to you. you fuck off too.

Are we flirting with each other?

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The Trent posted...

then what should it mean?
what should cops be trained to do if a suspect engages in physical behavior or flees the scene?

Detain them without shooting or killing them. Do you think people don't resist arrest in the UK or something?

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Shablagoo posted...

Are we flirting with each other?

it is forbidden, for you are a capulet and i, a montague

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IloveJesus posted...

Detain them without shooting or killing them. Do you think people don't resist arrest in the UK or something?

you don't have to be so condescending it hurts my feelings

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I think it depends on the level of resistance. Is someone squirming or did they initially try to make a quick get away before backing down? Then no they shouldn't be charged with resisting arrest. Very few people are going to be completely calm while being arrested and the law should take into consideration people base fight/flight instincts.

Now if the resistance is actively making a situation more dangerous by actively fighting the cop or going on a prolonged chase (especially a car chase), then I do think there is cause for a resistance charge, with the option that it can be dropped provided suspect largely behaves well throughout the rest of the legal process or is otherwise found not-guilty or is not charged with the initial crime.

Regardless, cops need better training in handling resistance. So they can diffuse situations in the safest way possible for both the suspect and themselves.

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I think police should be held accountable for bad calls. They should also have better training regarding the use of force vs. ticketing/issuing a fine later if someone happens to do it and they're not a felon. Some people react poorly, just fine them.

The act of getting away with calling anything resisting arrest is the part that needs to be fixed.

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Sansoldier posted...

I think police should be held accountable for bad calls. They should also have better training regarding the use of force vs. ticketing/issuing a fine later if someone happens to do it and they're not a felon. Some people react poorly, just fine them.

The act of getting away with calling anything resisting arrest is the part that needs to be fixed.

how should it be defined?

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Tyranthraxus posted...

This is the biggest fucking bullshit ever.

1. You're mixing up wrong with illegal
2. Being arrested is something that happens when you do something illegal, not when you do something wrong
3. The legal code is so fucking obnoxious that it's impossible to not break the law. The average American commits 3 felonies a day. (James Duane, You Have The Right To Remain Innocent, pg 21)

Way to skip over the rest of my post to fit your narrative.

Notice I said the key word was SHOULDN'T. Because you do have to worry about it even when you aren't doing anything wrong (or illegal if you wanna split hairs), is a symptom of a larger disease.

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I can't believe this topic is real. Imagine being a police officer and now you have to wrestle with every single person you arrest, even though you're legally arresting them.

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Orlando_Jordan posted...

I can't believe this topic is real. Imagine being a police officer and now you have to wrestle with every single person you arrest, even though you're legally arresting them.

Surely this is preferable in every way to shooting people?

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"You're under arrest!"
"Why am I being detained?"
"Subject is resisting arrest!"

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