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UnfairRepresent
08/30/20 2:22:00 PM
#103:


Hey guys what's going on in this th-

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Heavy_D_Forever
08/30/20 2:24:24 PM
#104:


Lease expired at the end of April so why are the tenets still in the apartment?

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Balrog0
08/30/20 2:24:49 PM
#105:


Heavy_D_Forever posted...
Lease expired at the end of April so why are the tenets still in the apartment?

Because the landlord wanted to keep them on as tenants in another unit

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
08/30/20 2:30:08 PM
#106:


Balrog0 posted...
This literally isn't what happened

It is so crazy to me that people will make up scenarios in their head to justify something like this when you can just read the article that was posted.

The landlord tried to come to an agreement with them to move units (weird that he wanted to keep them as tenants if they're so bad) but the deal didn't come through (we don't know why) so he tried to illegally evict them instead of kicking them out legally. Based on what was shared, he seemingly didn't give them notice, for instance

But because there are socialists around everyone is gonna focus on whatever bullshit they're saying today instead of trying to rethink their kneejerk predisposition to defend the landlord
I didn't say that's what happened in the article or any of that other stuff you made up for me.
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Tenlaar
08/30/20 2:30:08 PM
#107:


scar the 1 posted...
What ideas??? I literally said this:

And several of the examples listed in the text I quoted already exist in various non-profit forms. So what idea is it that you're talking about?
The idea that you're clearly putting forth is that there doesn't need to be a profit motive for those systems. But you won't say what you think the solution should be. Do you think that the government should be in control of all housing and give it out to people for free based on some system or do you think that people should be able to own houses to use themselves, meaning that we maintain a home buying market?
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Balrog0
08/30/20 2:31:44 PM
#108:


sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
I didn't say that's what happened in the article or any of that other stuff you made up for me.

I didn't say you said that if you want to be pedantic

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
08/30/20 2:34:09 PM
#109:


Balrog0 posted...
I didn't say you said that if you want to be pedantic
Then what was the meaning of your post?
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Balrog0
08/30/20 2:34:36 PM
#110:


sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
Then what was the meaning of your post?

What was the meaning of yours?

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Shablagoo
08/30/20 2:35:36 PM
#111:


Austin_Era_II posted...
People in Cuba are extremely laid back at getting stuff done for example.

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Imagine paying a doctor the same as a Walmart employee. The doctor has to study a lot more than that person.

Cuba has more doctors per person than any country in the world, and theyve stopped mother-to-child transfer of HIV/AIDS.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.PHYS.ZS

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
08/30/20 2:36:35 PM
#112:


Balrog0 posted...
What was the meaning of yours?
If I answer first, I'm unsure you will answer yours after. Let's do it in order.
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Balrog0
08/30/20 2:37:04 PM
#113:


sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
If I answer first, I'm unsure you will answer yours after. Let's do it in order.

Okay. You posted first

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
08/30/20 2:37:22 PM
#114:


Balrog0 posted...
Okay. You posted first
Correct. I asked you first.
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scar the 1
08/30/20 2:38:57 PM
#115:


Tenlaar posted...
The idea that you're clearly putting forth is that there doesn't need to be a profit motive for those systems. But you won't say what you think the solution should be. Do you think that the government should be in control of all housing and give it out to people for free based on some system or do you think that people should be able to own houses to use themselves, meaning that we maintain a home buying market?
That's not an idea, that's fact. Like I said, what you listed already exists in various forms without profit.

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Balrog0
08/30/20 2:39:25 PM
#116:


My post was to make sure that everyone itt knew that your contextless post is irrelevant to the topic at hand, since it's not what happened here. If other people are like me, they naturally assumed you were talking about this topic since you posted in it

Go ahead and elaborate on your post now

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
08/30/20 2:41:32 PM
#117:


Balrog0 posted...
My post was to make sure that everyone itt knew that your contextless post is irrelevant to the topic at hand, since it's not what happened here. If other people are like me, they naturally assumed you were talking about this topic since you posted in it

Go ahead and elaborate on your post now
A landlord and a tenant agree to terms. When the terms are broken then the landlord gives notice before kicking out the tenant.
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Fuparulez
08/30/20 2:41:42 PM
#118:


If you think Cuba is a model society in ANYTHING... lol. Yeah, Havana has some nice night clubs. If you think their health care system is top notch, go there and get hurt and get back to me. You've never been to Cuba, have you.

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Tenlaar
08/30/20 2:42:04 PM
#119:


scar the 1 posted...
That's not an idea, that's fact. Like I said, what you listed already exists in various forms without profit.
You're dodging the actual discussion here, which is that Shablagoo says those things being done for profit shouldn't be allowed. That is what you spoke up to defend. Which means the next step in the discussion is, how does the world operate if those things are not allowed? First part of answering that is answering whether there is still private home ownership and thus a home sales market or the government seizes, owns, and gives out housing. So, which is it?
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Balrog0
08/30/20 2:43:09 PM
#120:


sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
A landlord and a tenant agree to terms. When the terms are broken then the landlord gives notice before kicking out the tenant.

Why are you saying this itt?

There is no scenario where a self-help eviction, which happened here, is legal. Notice or not.


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sLaCkEr408___RJ
08/30/20 2:43:53 PM
#121:


Balrog0 posted...
Why are you saying this itt?

There is no scenario where a self-help eviction, which happened here, is legal. Notice or not.
Because it's a topic about landlord and tenants
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scar the 1
08/30/20 2:45:06 PM
#122:


Tenlaar posted...
You're dodging the actual discussion here, which is that Shablagoo says those things being done for profit shouldn't be allowed. That is what you spoke up to defend. Which means the next step in the discussion is, how does the world operate if those things are not allowed? First part of answering that is answering whether there is still private home ownership and thus a home sales market or the government seizes, owns, and gives out housing. So, which is it?
No I spoke up to correct the notion that the things you listed are impossible without a profit motive, which is demonstrably untrue. You've made it very clear that you are in favor of for profit housing and I'm not going to try to change your mind. I probably couldn't if I wanted to.

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Balrog0
08/30/20 2:45:24 PM
#123:


I really feel like you wanted to make a point, you could just say it

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
08/30/20 2:46:33 PM
#124:


Balrog0 posted...
I really feel like you wanted to make a point, you could just say it
I was just posting in a passing topic. Thank you for engaging me though. Bored at work.
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Tenlaar
08/30/20 2:48:01 PM
#125:


scar the 1 posted...
No I spoke up to correct the notion that the things you listed are impossible without a profit motive, which is demonstrably untrue. You've made it very clear that you are in favor of for profit housing and I'm not going to try to change your mind. I probably couldn't if I wanted to.
You definitely can't change anybody's mind if you can't even manage to explain how something would work in the most basic sense. Why even bother posting? You're worse than Shablagoo, at least he's just blatantly ignoring the problems with his proposed way of things instead of repeatedly going "I'm right but I'm not interested in explaining how or why."
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scar the 1
08/30/20 2:53:08 PM
#126:


Tenlaar posted...
You definitely can't change anybody's mind if you can't even manage to explain how something would work in the most basic sense. Why even bother posting? You're worse than Shablagoo, at least he's just blatantly ignoring the problems with his proposed way of things instead of repeatedly going "I'm right but I'm not interested in explaining how or why."
If you want someone to take your seriously, don't make shit arguments. Why would he need to explain how elderly care could work without a profit motive when it literally does in various places all over the world? And why should he explain how someone working extended periods in different cities could ever work without the profit motive when militaries do that all the time? And couch surfing has existed for a large part of the internet's life. Like, why are you implying that things already working without profit can't work without profit? Be less disingenuous, get better replies

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rexcrk
08/30/20 2:53:42 PM
#127:


IdiotMachine posted...
Lease expired 4 months ago, and they have months of unpaid rent during the lease agreement... why shouldn't they get kicked out?
B-b-boot licker!!

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Shablagoo
08/30/20 2:56:41 PM
#128:


Tenlaar posted...
The idea that you're clearly putting forth is that there doesn't need to be a profit motive for those systems. But you won't say what you think the solution should be. Do you think that the government should be in control of all housing and give it out to people for free based on some system or do you think that people should be able to own houses to use themselves, meaning that we maintain a home buying market?

Not offering a solution does not change the fact that a problem exists. Climate change is also a problem even if I do not personally know how to solve it. I could say we need to reduce carbon emissions and even though Im not a scientist and dont know exactly how to do that, its still correct. You dont need to offer a solution to point out a problem exists.

For the record, though, heres a very basic outline:

All homes under absentee ownership (i.e. homes owned not for the purpose of living in but for profiting off of) should be seized by the people, held in common, and distributed on the basis of need.

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Tenlaar
08/30/20 3:06:09 PM
#129:


Shablagoo posted...
For the record, though, heres a very basic outline:

All homes under absentee ownership (i.e. homes owned not for the purpose of living in but for profiting off of) should be seized by the people, held in common, and distributed on the basis of need.
So, in your world, let's say you have five houses on a street. Three of them used to be owned by one person for rental purposes, two were owned by the families living in them. Do you think that the two houses should remain part of a home sales market, to be sold to new owners when the current owners don't want to live there any more, while the other three become government property from that point forward, being given freely to people who want to live there?
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skermac
08/30/20 3:29:05 PM
#130:


Shablagoo posted...
Not offering a solution does not change the fact that a problem exists. Climate change is also a problem even if I do not personally know how to solve it. I could say we need to reduce carbon emissions and even though Im not a scientist and dont know exactly how to do that, its still correct. You dont need to offer a solution to point out a problem exists.

For the record, though, heres a very basic outline:

All homes under absentee ownership (i.e. homes owned not for the purpose of living in but for profiting off of) should be seized by the people, held in common, and distributed on the basis of need.
seizing homes is what could mmunists do because they are evil


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JE19426
08/30/20 3:44:34 PM
#131:


Austin_Era_II posted...
I have a house and rent out my basement. If my tenant didn't pay (month to month not a 1 year lease) I'd sell the house if the eviction process is delayed due to Covid. Legally she has to move out then.

Where on Earth do you live, that this is the case. Everywhere I've heard of, if an owner sells their property, the buyer takes on all the building responsibilities, including tenants.
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Vicious_Dios
08/30/20 3:52:38 PM
#132:


*Skips topic*

Well, if they paid what the fucking owed to begin with, then they wouldn't be in the shituation they THEMSELVES put themselves in.

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Austin_Era_II
08/30/20 3:57:58 PM
#133:


JE19426 posted...
Where on Earth do you live, that this is the case. Everywhere I've heard of, if an owner sells their property, the buyer takes on all the building responsibilities, including tenants.

Ontario Canada

"Once the lease expires, the tenant must be given 60 days notice to vacate the property provided that a buyer has already unconditionally agreed to buy the home or if the buyer needs the home for themselves or their family."

Hence why I do month to month.

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iPhone_7
08/30/20 4:00:08 PM
#134:


How about I not pay my rent and by law the landlord is forced to continue paying the taxes, leave the utilities on, do repairs, etc. for the property. F*** you, support me

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Austin_Era_II
08/30/20 4:11:54 PM
#135:


You won't make it far in life by screwing people over like that.

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Dark_SilverX
08/30/20 4:12:51 PM
#136:


Fair, next.

Gotta pay your rent, guys.

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Balrog0
08/30/20 4:14:25 PM
#137:


Dark_SilverX posted...
Fair, next.

Gotta pay your rent, guys.

It isn't fair, you can't just change the locks or cut someone's power off


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Austin_Era_II
08/30/20 4:30:34 PM
#138:


If they don't pay landlords should have better rights. Especially if rent is affordable and their are jobs like at Walmart. I was a tenant and I always worked my butt to pay people.

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Balrog0
08/30/20 4:31:23 PM
#139:


Austin_Era_II posted...
If they don't pay landlords should have better rights. Especially if rent is affordable and their are jobs like at Walmart. I was a tenant and I always worked my butt to pay people.

Dude never even took legal action because he wanted to keep them as tenants

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Balrog0
08/30/20 4:34:40 PM
#140:


It sounds like they all expected to get some kind of government assistance that didn't come through

Sucks for all of them but it sounds like the landlord made a bad bet, it doesn't justify trying to kick them out illegally.

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sneakysnake
08/30/20 4:41:14 PM
#141:


The ultimate goal of the anti-eviction crowd is to get a home scot-free and take zero risks. They want landlords to be the ones to go homeless.
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Shablagoo
08/30/20 5:04:44 PM
#142:


Tenlaar posted...
So, in your world, let's say you have five houses on a street. Three of them used to be owned by one person for rental purposes, two were owned by the families living in them. Do you think that the two houses should remain part of a home sales market, to be sold to new owners when the current owners don't want to live there any more, while the other three become government property from that point forward, being given freely to people who want to live there?

All 5 become held in common by the people and used to house people who need homes. The two families are housed wherever there is empty housing closest to the place(s) they wish to move to.

skermac posted...
seizing homes is what could mmunists do because they are evil

lol, whats evil is that there are 6 (many more than that by some estimates, actually) houses for every homeless person in America.

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Ilishe
08/30/20 7:09:48 PM
#143:


Shablagoo posted...


Id refuse the inheritance, I guess, assuming it would be turned into public housing or something like that. Otherwise, Id maybe keep it and charge 0 rent to tenants outside of what was needed for general upkeep and taxes.

Lmfao

Sure you would.

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The Trent
08/30/20 7:26:49 PM
#145:


shablagoo isn't that kind of comrade, comrade

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Shablagoo
08/30/20 8:52:50 PM
#146:


Ilishe posted...
Lmfao

Sure you would.

Sure, I would.

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JE19426
08/31/20 3:31:33 AM
#147:


Austin_Era_II posted...
Ontario Canada

"Once the lease expires, the tenant must be given 60 days notice to vacate the property provided that a buyer has already unconditionally agreed to buy the home or if the buyer needs the home for themselves or their family."

Hence why I do month to month.

Oh, I see what you mean now. I originally thought you meant selling the property, automatically ends the lease.
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Ilishe
08/31/20 3:55:25 AM
#148:


Shablagoo posted...
Sure, I would.

Great. And I'd donate a billion dollars to charity.

We're good folk, Shabby.

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Sphyx
08/31/20 5:39:41 AM
#149:


I see everybody instantly believing the claims the landlord is making, but little mention given to the counterclaims (even the bolded one), and then people ITT are complaining that people have already unfairly made up their minds.

Most of the rest of this topic is skewed hypothetical scenarios about how tough it is to be a landlord.

And then for some reason, Austin goes full grapefruit at the end.

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Shablagoo
08/31/20 8:00:48 AM
#150:


Sphyx posted...
I see everybody instantly believing the claims the landlord is making, but little mention given to the counterclaims (even the bolded one), and then people ITT are complaining that people have already unfairly made up their minds.

Most of the rest of this topic is skewed hypothetical scenarios about how tough it is to be a landlord.

And then for some reason, Austin goes full grapefruit at the end.

preach!

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AdmiralStiff
08/31/20 8:08:00 AM
#151:


2 lesbians, with no kids, can't cough up the dough for rent?

How do you fail this hard at life?

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teepan95
08/31/20 8:27:24 AM
#152:


Germany protects renters rights and it is very difficult for landlords to terminate a tenancy. Your contract can only be terminated on certain grounds, such as:

Your landlord demonstrably requires the property for their own use (i.e. they want to sell the house or move in themselves).

You repeatedly fail to pay rent on time.

You use the property in a way that violates the tenancy agreement, such as subletting rooms without permission or keeping pets there.

You engage in anti-social behaviour.


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Hexenherz
08/31/20 8:27:30 AM
#153:


The only thing I don't understand - these tenants sound like utter assholes in every sense of the word, why would be try to relocate them to another one of his properties?

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