Current Events > Damn the new Ratchet and Clank game got heavily downgraded in only 2 months

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https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1300243244333359104

That was quick lol
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Sigh I don't know what's the worst, this industry or its audience.
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This series is so stale now

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I see consoles are still hiding stuff behind lighting and hoping it solves everything again.

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Ps5 is gonna be weak as hell. They still on that 1080/60p so no wonder.

X is where it's at.

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Which one is which?

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I keep looking and I see such an insignificant difference

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glitteringfairy posted...

Ps5 is gonna be weak as hell. They still on that 1080/60p so no wonder.

X is where it's at.

Yeah, but it's useless when you have no games

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I didn't know they were finally getting off their asses and making a new game. Neat.
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uwnim posted...

Which one is which?

This. They didn't bother to do an exact frame comparison either, so it could even be exactly the same.
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KyoryuCyan posted...

Yeah, but it's useless when you have no games

X gonna give it to ya

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Left is June and right is August, seems pretty obvious to me lol There's more in the thread.
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Who cares about the graphics in a Ratchet and Clank game?

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Left is June and right is August, seems pretty obvious to me lol There's more in the thread.

call me crazy but the right image looks sharper, especially when you compare the ears

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That tweet is pulling some ass hairs

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Remember when people bitched about Spider-Man's reflections, so DF evaluated it and found the final game's visuals to be superior to what was originally shown?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae0Nv0Eb7tw

Nah. Just some tweaks that are overall an improvement.

You're comparing a difference in lighting. They moved the location of the light source. It's the exact same logic that lead people to believe Spider-man got downgraded.

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HylianFox posted...

call me crazy but the right image looks sharper, especially when you compare the ears

We're talking about raytraced graphics, lighting will never be identical in comparison shots.

The screenshots look different because that's how dynamic lighting works. Doubly so for raytracing.

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DarkRoast posted...

We're talking about raytraced graphics, lighting will never be identical in comparison shots

Pretty sure the lighting isn't ray traced. Just the reflections.

They did move the lighting around however.

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KyoryuCyan posted...

Yeah, but it's useless when you have no games

It's not 2016 anymore. You need new material

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Lighting is basically everything when it comes to graphics realism. Even something as deliberately fake and cartoonist as Minecraft is transformed with different lighting.

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I'm reminded of the Spider-Man puddle incident

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Darmik posted...

Pretty sure the lighting isn't ray traced. Just the reflections.

They did move the lighting around however.

It definitely has ray tracing

https://wccftech.com/ratchet-footage-was-captured-in-real-time-on-the-console/

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https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1300243664690610176

Definitely looks like they lost a ton of detail in this comparison. Looks more than just lighting changes.
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It's real time gameplay, of course certain things are not going to match up.

This is stupid

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I can barely spot the difference in any of those comparisons


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Smashingpmkns posted...

Definitely looks like they lost a ton of detail in this comparison. Looks more than just lighting changes.

Watch the video. Moving some objects around isn't a 'drastic downgrade'

In a lot of cases it's actually the opposite.

https://imgur.com/a/6FQA9nS

Here's an example. The barrier is now appearing in the reflection when it wasn't before.

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Tbf people love Up your arsenal even though it was in many ways a graphical downgrade compared to the previous 2 games.

Darmik posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Definitely looks like they lost a ton of detail in this comparison. Looks more than just lighting changes.

Watch the video. Moving some objects around isn't a 'drastic downgrade'

In a lot of cases it's actually the opposite.

https://imgur.com/a/6FQA9nS

Here's an example. The barrier is now appearing in the reflection when it wasn't before.

In the pictures in that thread it's not just objects being moved around. There's graphical downgrades to the actual models, at least from those stills. Someone linked that video in that thread too. I'll probably watch it in the AM.
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Okay I can barely see a difference. It looks like the August demo is going through like a lens filter, but I don't see any real difference, and certainly not one that I would notice in-game.

Smashingpmkns posted...

In the pictures in that thread it's not just objects being moved around. There's graphical downgrades to the actual models, at least from those stills. Someone linked that video in that thread too. I'll probably watch it in the AM.

The character models pretty much look the same to me. Maybe you're looking at the lighting impacting the model?

Look at the dragon thing in the city. Its wings on the right picture look different because the lighting is making its wings translucent.

I'm not sure what detail you're saying is missing either. In the city the player is lower in the picture of the right so the signs are higher up. They both have a foggy/misty effect but the blue lights seem to have a bigger effect in the fog on the right picture.

They've completely changed the grass in the desert but it looks more natural in the right picture to me. Instead of big, red plants there's bigger patches of dry grass. The background isn't as visible and bright but it looks dusty so I'm pretty sure that's on purpose. The shadow under the tend looks more dark and natural too.

I think you're just seeing what you want to see.

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Show me a video game that DIDN'T do this.

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The pic on the left looks like it would be mostly low settings with some settings on medium if it were on PC lmao

Flockaveli posted...

Show me a video game that DIDN'T do this.

Pretty much all made for PC games.

By all accounts vanilla Skyrim ended up looking better than the early previews.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1300243664690610176

Definitely looks like they lost a ton of detail in this comparison. Looks more than just lighting changes.

less particles and a different lighting source, otherwise it's the exact same

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Yeah, I see virtually no difference other than lighting.

The exception is the city picture, but the lack of various props in the second one might just be because the screenshots are taken at different times.

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Ratchet has a different glove on his right hand in the first comparison too

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Doesn't look worse, just different

If anything the left pics dip way too dark

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R&C has always been a good, quality series

But I have no idea why Sony or most people thinks its worth buying a PS5 for; everything Ive seen for it so far looks like it could easily be on a PS4 Pro

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

But I have no idea why Sony or most people thinks its worth buying a PS5 for; everything Ive seen for it so far looks like it could easily be on a PS4 Pro

I think the SSD is the difference. I don't really see a PS4 loading all of those different environments that smoothly.

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DarkRoast posted...

Remember when people bitched about Spider-Man's reflections, so DF evaluated it and found the final game's visuals to be superior to what was originally shown?

Pepperidge Farm remembers

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The June demo footage was from the upcoming PC version

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Honestly just looks like different lighting

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chukklez17dc posted...

Honestly just looks like different lighting

It's a little bit more than that.

It looks like different DoF, different filter, and the environments themselves have been changed (bushes aren't even in the same place anymore)

It does not look like a polygon or particle downgrade though.

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Puddlegate 2?

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I don't doubt that the new Ratchet and Clank game used some bullshots - I don't think that part of the launch trailer where they're falling through the portal dimension is meant to be indicative of how the game with play or run. But I think the bullshots are going to matter just as much as "Puddlegate" did for Spider-Man - i.e. not at all.

Watch_Dogs was a bad time, especially since the HD textures used for the promotion were actually present in the released product. That was a game that was unequivocally sold on a standard that it deliberately failed to meet. Shit changes in development, and things needs to be pared down as more stuff gets added to the game and affects performance. Trying to frame every new game as the next Watch_Dogs, like a bunch of fuckwits did for Spider-Man, is stupid as hell.

I also thought Halo Infinite looked pretty great before they delayed it. One enemy looked particularly bad, and I feel like a lot of people latched onto that. But the game looked fast and fluid, and I genuinely thought it looked pretty great.

This isn't a big deal. There are games that pare themselves down from their pre-alpha release trailers, and there are games that flagrantly misrepresent their games with pre-rendered cutscenes that the game itself could never hope to achieve - look at Killzone 2 or CoD4 for example, or Watch_Dogs for one of the worst examples of false advertising. This isn't that big of a difference, and I think at worst it falls into the first category.

I hope they don't do that thing where the background stuff is all blurry and bloomed to hell and back, but the difference between that picture are like the puddles in Spider-Man. It's easy to point at it and nitpick it and say that the game is going to be a shitty, graphically broken mess that was sold on false pretenses, but the final product really won't be as bad as people are saying and it almost certainly won't be a Watch_Dogs situation.

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The comparison that really gets me is the one on the ship. It seems the complaint there is that they got rid of a bunch of particle effects because the first picture is full of sparks which are missing in the second one.

But the entire video is full of so much crap flying around that I'd almost argue it's a detriment to the game.

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Blue_Inigo posted...

I keep looking and I see such an insignificant difference

The significant difference is the lies inherent in the game industry for the sake of hype building.

New one looks fine.

But they had to lie anyway.
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