Current Events > Two students are SOL after their wifi screwed up in the middle of a quiz.

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https://twitter.com/mtvAdriaan/status/1300188561711398912

https://twitter.com/AlaniHarman1/status/1300448497343311874

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bruh

What an asshole of a teacher, why even get into such a profession when they have such little care for their students

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Escalate it to their boss.

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Teachers don't give a fuck anymore. If it was last semester they'd give you lee way. But the ones I have this semester just assume everyone knows how to use zoom and has internet access right now.

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College professors are always like that >_> That's not surprising lol

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That teacher should be fired straight away

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See this is an excellent example of a shitty professor (although, do the quiz earlier is fine advice), unlike the other bullshit going around twitter right now.

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when I was in college, most of my teachers were cool, but I had this one professor in math who clearly didn't like any of his students, lol.

I could see him giving a similar response.

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Glad Im done with school, cant imagine how much BS both students and professors have to endure during these times

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NeonOctopus posted...

College professors are always like that >_> That's not surprising lol

"Do the quiz earlier, I won't make an exception" is fine. "Get better wifi" is dickish.

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"Get better WiFi access"

Oooof

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Sounds like he would have had a chance to redo it but he procrastinated? That's probably why the teacher was an ass

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Geisterdrache posted...

"Get better wifi" is dickish.

NeonOctopus posted...

College professors are always like that >_> That's not surprising lol

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Coloradough posted...

Sounds like he would have had a chance to redo it but he procrastinated? That's probably why the teacher was an ass

He said there were 12 hours left on the quiz time when he sent the email, seems like plenty for a 10 point quiz

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I can see the professor's perspective - the student could have viewed all the questions and researched the answers so there's no way for the professor to confirm that the student is doing everything honestly.


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Fair, next

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MC_BatCommander posted...

He said there were 12 hours left on the quiz time when he sent the email, seems like plenty for a 10 point quiz

Yeah but it looks like the correspondence was on a Sunday...

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"get better wifi access"

What if your power went out though because some limp dick crashed into a telephone pole?

Or that was why the internet in your area went done?

Probably should have a backup quiz with different questions that someone having issues can retake. There is absolutely no way to control shitty internet, but that obviously does lead to easy cheating as well.

nemu posted...

Probably should have a backup quiz with different questions that someone having issues can retake.

lmao r u fucking srs

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MachineJaipur posted...

"get better wifi access"

What if your power went out though because some limp dick crashed into a telephone pole?

Or that was why the internet in your area went done?

doesnt matter.

shoulda built his own wifi tower if he needed to

nemu posted...

Probably should have a backup quiz with different questions that someone having issues can retake.

LOL

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My WiFi went out is the new "My dog ate my homework" excuse.

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Geisterdrache posted...

lmao r u fucking srs

Yes? I dont know how these online tests are framed, but it becomes invalid if you have access to all the questions at once and can edit them before the final submission. If its a system where you cannot see the next question until you have submitted your final answer for the previous question, then thatd be different.

Tenure baby!!!!

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nemu posted...

Yes? I dont know how these online tests are framed, but it becomes invalid if you have access to all the questions at once and can edit them before the final submission. If its a system where you cannot see the next question until you have submitted your final answer for the previous question, then thatd be different.

Expecting instructors to have premade backups for every quiz is unbelievably fucking asinine

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This is merely one result of capitalism. For-profit universities that do not care about education.

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nemu posted...

Probably should have a backup quiz with different questions that someone having issues can retake

Back in high school, we once had to take a backup exam cause the actual exam was leaked at the last minute

If high school can do it, why not university?
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MachineJaipur posted...

"get better wifi access"

What if your power went out though because some limp dick crashed into a telephone pole?

Or that was why the internet in your area went done?

Hence his other piece of advise, don't wait until the last minute.

This professor's approach might be dickish but he's right. That's just how the world works, coddle time is over.
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Exams =/= quizzes

All my profs always had backup exams. But asking them to do every single quiz is some dumb shit >_>

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teepan95 posted...

Back in high school, we once had to take a backup exam cause the actual exam was leaked at the last minute

If high school can do it, why not university?

They can, in an emergency, but expecting professors to make backup quizzes for every single quiz, for possibly one student, is ridiculous.

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Just reuse them then. Rotate them every year or something; last year's backup quiz becomes this year's actual quiz

If this happened in Germany, you can bet the student governing bodies would be up in arms over it, and rightly so
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Shablagoo posted...

This is merely one result of capitalism. For-profit universities that do not care about education.

Holy shit where to even fucking start.

First of all, if there's a problem with higher ed in the US it's that it costs so much money to attend. Guess what? Countries with free uni are still capitalist countries.
Secondly, these are not "for-profit universities." That has a very specific definition that does not apply outside of some small scam schools like University of Phoenix.
Thirdly, to imply professors are complicit in some type of scheme to fleece students out of their hard-earned money without providing them with a legitimate education is unbelievably ignorant and out of touch with the reality of academia.

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As a part time professor at a University, I would've just given them a second chance. It's why I make sure quizzes don't make up a huge part of the grading. It's also why I put emphasis on participation and homework (and no I'm not one of those professors that assign so much it eats up the majority of your day) than quizzes and tests, though the university requires that we make the midterm and final at least 25%.

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Geisterdrache posted...

Expecting instructors to have premade backups for every quiz is unbelievably fucking asinine

In an unprecedented time of internet reliance, kind of need to make more accommodations to account for that.

Imagine if a student said their internet went "down" for literally every quiz or exam

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nemu posted...

In an unprecedented time of internet reliance, kind of need to make more accommodations to account for that.

Then pay the professors more. Sorry, but again, that's asinine to expect. In an emergency they can make one.

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Shouldn't have waited until the last minute to rush and finish it. Probably had a few days to a week+ to do and submit it, probably could've even gotten answers from other classmates/friends.

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Vampire_Wreath posted...

probably could've even gotten answers from other classmates/friends.

"He shouldn't have waited, but he should have cheated." Lol

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Geisterdrache posted...

Then pay the professors more. Sorry, but again, that's asinine to expect. In an emergency they can make one.

You act like the hour max it would take to toss together a quiz is a labor of Heracles or something. I'd assume any worth their salt could type it straight out from memory.

I TAed problem sets and homework two consecutive years to second-year students. I had my own class of twenty and I was expected to teach competently and mark homework competently.

Guess what? If someone said they submitted but I never received it (paper, they threw it into a locked container that I had a key to), we'd err on the side of believing them and give them a second chance. Guess how many abused the system? Very few, if any at all

Students are adults and deserve to be treated as such
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nemu posted...

You act like the hour max it would take to toss together a quiz is a labor of Heracles or something. I'd assume any worth their salt could type it straight out from memory.

Ah yes, because all professors should be expected to add an hour to their workload for every quiz, for every class they teach, even adjuncts getting paid shit and possibly teaching at multiple schools. Genius.

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teepan95 posted...

I TAed problem sets and homework two consecutive years to second-year students. I had my own class of twenty and I was expected to teach competently and mark homework competently.

Guess what? If someone said they submitted but I never received it (paper, they threw it into a locked container that I had a key to), we'd err on the side of believing them and give them a second chance. Guess how many abused the system? Very few, if any at all

Students are adults and deserve to be treated as such

that last sentence rings so true. I wish more people on the higher end of the academic chain understood this.

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teepan95 posted...

I TAed problem sets and homework two consecutive years to second-year students. I had my own class of twenty and I was expected to teach competently and mark homework competently.

Guess what? If someone said they submitted but I never received it (paper, they threw it into a locked container that I had a key to), we'd err on the side of believing them and give them a second chance. Guess how many abused the system? Very few, if any at all

Students are adults and deserve to be treated as such

Physical paper is a different ballgame than what happened here.

And this professor did treat them like an adult.
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MC_BatCommander posted...

What an asshole of a teacher, why even get into such a profession when they have such little care for their students

Teacher = love students and teaching

For a professor that's optional, the teaching can be busy work compared to their research

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I don't think it's unreasonable for professors to have backup quizzes, especially for subjects like math. Especially when everything is online and they can just re-use previously recorded lectures so they have extra time to draft alternate quizzes.

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MrPeppers posted...

teepan95 posted...

I TAed problem sets and homework two consecutive years to second-year students. I had my own class of twenty and I was expected to teach competently and mark homework competently.

Guess what? If someone said they submitted but I never received it (paper, they threw it into a locked container that I had a key to), we'd err on the side of believing them and give them a second chance. Guess how many abused the system? Very few, if any at all

Students are adults and deserve to be treated as such

that last sentence rings so true. I wish more people on the higher end of the academic chain understood this.

Fwiw, my career goal is to become a professor (aka a lecturer who also leads a research group). I have strong opinions on teaching quality and how to treat students that I hope to implement.

voldothegr8 posted...

Physical paper is a different ballgame than what happened here.

Same principle. The capacity for cheating is there, but you have to trust the student. Innocent until proven guilty. So no, the following is false:

voldothegr8 posted...

And this professor did treat them like an adult.

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teepan95 posted...

I TAed problem sets and homework two consecutive years to second-year students. I had my own class of twenty and I was expected to teach competently and mark homework competently.

Guess what? If someone said they submitted but I never received it (paper, they threw it into a locked container that I had a key to), we'd err on the side of believing them and give them a second chance. Guess how many abused the system? Very few, if any at all

Students are adults and deserve to be treated as such

Isn't there a subreddit where a TA caught like a whole bunch of people cheating by uploading a fake answer to one of those cheating sites?

And in my personal experience, like 1/5th of a class cheated for O Chem. The professor literally ripped the class about it the next class session.

I mean, who do you think uses those cheating sites? Exactly. Students.

There's no background on the student either. If they are an AAA student with good grades and known for their good homework/projects then you could give them the benefit of the doubt and allow a retest.

If they are known to have bad grades, barely a passing score, never completes homework, does the min amount of effort and so on. Then I'd definitely be suspicuous and call bs on their story.

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