Poll of the Day > Trump caught on tape admitting to downplaying COVID 19 back in February

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adjl 09/10/20 9:09:34 AM #51:	Zeus posted... Well, that's just flat-out bulls**. He's explicitly called the whole situation a hoax, a lie many of his followers cling to even today. Within the past month, he's suggested "solving" the problem by slowing down testing so the numbers look better without actually reducing the number of cases out there. He's been doing everything he could since day 1 to pretend Covid is less of a problem than it actually is. Zeus posted... That likely had nothing to do with his talk of "downplaying it" because he's still undermining that advice. So undermining public health advice isn't part of him deliberately downplaying the virus, it's just him being dangerously clueless in an unrelated way? I'm not sure that helps your position. Zeus posted... And bearing in mind that the advice isn't even being followed by the people who give it, which is what's really undermining it... If I asked you to give examples of this, you'd provide maybe a dozen examples of individual instances where left-leaning folks were caught failing to adhere properly to recommendations. Maybe 2-3 of these examples would amount to anything significant (Pelosi's hair salon visit being one of them), with the rest very clearly being momentary errors or lapses in judgement. None of your examples could be successfully generalized to the thousands of public health professionals that have been involved in giving the advice to such an extent that you could genuinely say the public has been confused by their inconsistency (excepting the fact that recommendations have changed as the situation has evolved and people that lack the scientific literacy to understand how completely normal that is for this sort of situation interpreted those changes as hypocrisy), to say nothing of the fact that most such examples are relatively recent and therefore have nothing to do with early confusion. Because we know how it would go, I'm not actually going to ask you for examples. That just saves us both some work. Zeus posted... as is promoting widescale protests when people are supposed to be social distancing. If by "promoting" you mean not saying "go home guys you can whine about police getting away with murder later," then I guess, but that seems like a stretch. Simply not denouncing something is not the same as promoting it, and the CDC very much stayed within the domain of the former. It's also not like the CDC (or anyone, for that matter) could actually do anything to stop the protests, so there really wouldn't be much point in inciting the political backlash that would follow a formal denouncement. Again, that's also relatively recent and therefore cannot be blamed for earlier confusion regarding infection control protocols. Zeus posted... ...because suggesting people stay calm while they try to get a handle on things is apparently worse than causing mass panic that kills more people than any fire would. If you can cite Trump saying "stay calm and follow these recommendations while we figure out the best way to tackle this thing on a national scale," you can argue that that was his strategy. Of course, that would entail Trump publicly admitting he didn't know how to handle it, which his narcissism won't allow him to do, so good luck with that. Again, there are ways to minimize panic during an emergency situation, but saying "the fire's a hoax" or "don't worry guys it's not even that hot it'll put itself out in like five minutes" are not among them. Decisive leadership and direction are. Zeus posted... Everybody in the building already knew for at least a month about the proverbial fire. Which is why denying and minimizing it was a terrible way to try to reduce panic. Everybody already knew there was a fire and that it was bad, so when the president started trying to say there wasn't one, the only reasonable interpretation of that is that he didn't plan on doing anything to fix the problem any time soon and everyone was on their own for figuring out how to deal with it. Reducing panic requires leadership, not denying the true nature of a problem everybody already understands. Zeus posted... Second, the panic WAS ALREADY causing substantial problems which were costing countless lives, considering doctors were sometimes stuck wearing cloth masks because people who were staying home anyway (because panic) were stockpiling PPE in a panic. Which, in all honesty, means any further panic wasn't likely to cause any more harm. It's not like suppliers can have less than zero masks available, after all, and it didn't take long after the first couple weeks of panic buying for stores to put purchase limits or other restrictions on high-demand items (I like that Costco is refusing to take returns of toilet paper) to prevent that harm regardless of how people were panicking. Of course, that still goes back to the point that decisive leadership does more to prevent panic than denying that an obvious problem exists. That panic buying could have been reduced by explicitly asking people to refrain from buying masks unless they'd tested positive because supply was so limited and they're significantly more effective for blocking transmission, but no such definitive statement was ever made by Trump. Legally mandating purchase limits as soon as panic buying became a thing would have mitigated that harm, but no such order was passed. Buying up a large stock of masks to distribute to health care workers in high-risk areas would have mitigated that harm (and also offset the depletion of such supplies during Obama's terms OH HEY BONUS), but not only did he fail to do that, he auctioned off the supplies the federal government did* already have to the highest bidder instead of allocation them according to need. There are many things Trump could and should have said and done to prevent panic and mitigate the harm of the panic that couldn't be prevented (to say nothing of what he could have done to solve the actual problem). "It's no big deal" was not one of them. Again, if he thought it was, he's clueless, but I'm much more inclined to believe he just thinks that's a good excuse to use to cover up the fact that he was just trying to make himself look better (at the cost of thousands of lives). --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:944432915] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Well, that's just flat-out bulls***.</quote> He's explicitly called the whole situation a hoax, a lie many of his followers cling to even today. Within the past month, he's suggested "solving" the problem by slowing down testing so the numbers look better without actually reducing the number of cases out there. He's been doing everything he could since day 1 to pretend Covid is less of a problem than it actually is. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>That likely had nothing to do with his talk of "downplaying it" because he's still undermining that advice.</quote> So undermining public health advice isn't part of him deliberately downplaying the virus, it's just him being dangerously clueless in an unrelated way? I'm not sure that helps your position. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>And bearing in mind that the advice isn't even being followed by the people who give it, which is what's really undermining it...</quote> If I asked you to give examples of this, you'd provide maybe a dozen examples of individual instances where left-leaning folks were caught failing to adhere properly to recommendations. Maybe 2-3 of these examples would amount to anything significant (Pelosi's hair salon visit being one of them), with the rest very clearly being momentary errors or lapses in judgement. None of your examples could be successfully generalized to the thousands of public health professionals that have been involved in giving the advice to such an extent that you could genuinely say the public has been confused by their inconsistency (excepting the fact that recommendations have changed as the situation has evolved and people that lack the scientific literacy to understand how completely normal that is for this sort of situation interpreted those changes as hypocrisy), to say nothing of the fact that most such examples are relatively recent and therefore have nothing to do with early confusion. Because we know how it would go, I'm not actually going to ask you for examples. That just saves us both some work. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>as is promoting widescale protests when people are supposed to be social distancing.</quote> If by "promoting" you mean not saying "go home guys you can whine about police getting away with murder later," then I guess, but that seems like a stretch. Simply not denouncing something is not the same as promoting it, and the CDC very much stayed within the domain of the former. It's also not like the CDC (or anyone, for that matter) could actually do anything to stop the protests, so there really wouldn't be much point in inciting the political backlash that would follow a formal denouncement. Again, that's also relatively recent and therefore cannot be blamed for earlier confusion regarding infection control protocols. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>...because suggesting people stay calm while they try to get a handle on things is apparently worse than causing mass panic that kills more people than any fire would.</quote> If you can cite Trump saying "stay calm and follow these recommendations while we figure out the best way to tackle this thing on a national scale," you can argue that that was his strategy. Of course, that would entail Trump publicly admitting he didn't know how to handle it, which his narcissism won't allow him to do, so good luck with that. Again, there are ways to minimize panic during an emergency situation, but saying "the fire's a hoax" or "don't worry guys it's not even that hot it'll put itself out in like five minutes" are not among them. Decisive leadership and direction are. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Everybody in the building already knew for at least a month about the proverbial fire.</quote> Which is why denying and minimizing it was a terrible way to try to reduce panic. Everybody already knew there was a fire and that it was bad, so when the president started trying to say there wasn't one, the only reasonable interpretation of that is that he didn't plan on doing anything to fix the problem any time soon and everyone was on their own for figuring out how to deal with it. Reducing panic requires leadership, not denying the true nature of a problem everybody already understands. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Second, the panic WAS ALREADY causing substantial problems which were costing countless lives, considering doctors were sometimes stuck wearing cloth masks because people who were staying home anyway (because panic) were stockpiling PPE in a panic.</quote> Which, in all honesty, means any further panic wasn't likely to cause any more harm. It's not like suppliers can have less than zero masks available, after all, and it didn't take long after the first couple weeks of panic buying for stores to put purchase limits or other restrictions on high-demand items (I like that Costco is refusing to take returns of toilet paper) to prevent that harm regardless of how people were panicking. Of course, that still goes back to the point that decisive leadership does more to prevent panic than denying that an obvious problem exists. That panic buying could have been reduced by explicitly asking people to refrain from buying masks unless they'd tested positive because supply was so limited and they're significantly more effective for blocking transmission, but no such definitive statement was ever made by Trump. Legally mandating purchase limits as soon as panic buying became a thing would have mitigated that harm, but no such order was passed. Buying up a large stock of masks to distribute to health care workers in high-risk areas would have mitigated that harm (and also offset the depletion of such supplies during Obama's terms OH HEY BONUS), but not only did he fail to do that, he auctioned off the supplies the federal government did already have to the highest bidder instead of allocation them according to need. There are many things Trump could and should have said and done to prevent panic and mitigate the harm of the panic that couldn't be prevented (to say nothing of what he could have done to solve the actual problem). "It's no big deal" was not one of them. Again, if he thought it was, he's clueless, but I'm much more inclined to believe he just thinks that's a good excuse to use to cover up the fact that he was just trying to make himself look better (at the cost of thousands of lives). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BUMPED2002 09/10/20 9:13:46 AM #52:	No surprise here not at all. He's done nothing but KeyStone Kop his way through the presidency since taking office. --- SpankageBros <cite>BUMPED2002 posted [p:944433025] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>No surprise here not at all. He's done nothing but KeyStone Kop his way through the presidency since taking office. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 09/10/20 11:05:08 AM #53:	"I don't want to cause a panic. In other news, a caravan of sick immigrants is coming, Dems will take your guns, and Antifa will burn your house down!" --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.2 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:944436206] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>"I don't want to cause a panic. In other news, a caravan of sick immigrants is coming, Dems will take your guns, and Antifa will burn your house down!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
keyblader1985 09/10/20 11:06:23 AM #54:	If he cared at all about people panicking and making stupid decisions, he wouldn't have told people to inject cleaning fluids or commit voting fraud. Or straight up lie that the virus would be gone by summer when everyone with a shred of brain knew that was impossible. --- Official King of PotD You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai <cite>keyblader1985 posted [p:944436249] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>If he cared at all about people panicking and making stupid decisions, he wouldn't have told people to inject cleaning fluids or commit voting fraud. Or straight up lie that the virus would be gone by summer when everyone with a shred of brain knew that was impossible. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 09/10/20 12:09:16 PM #55:	He doesn't care about people panicking, he cares about the stock market panicking. He admitted as much when he talked about reducing testing to increase the stock market. --- https://imgur.com/mmESgwx <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:944438514] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>He doesn't care about people panicking, he cares about the stock market panicking. He admitted as much when he talked about reducing testing to increase the stock market. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aculo 09/10/20 1:16:23 PM #56:	oh look another topic where @Zeus is deepthroating trump's dick. didn't see that coming, ok? --- ok? <cite>Aculo posted [p:944441180] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>oh look another topic where @Zeus is deepthroating trump's dick. didn't see that coming, ok? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 09/10/20 1:24:44 PM #57:	https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/307582196196188160?s=19 --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:944441499] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/307582196196188160?s=19 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 09/10/20 4:19:12 PM #58:	Phantom_Nook posted... "I don't want to cause a panic. In other news, a caravan of sick immigrants is coming, Dems will take your guns, and Antifa will burn your house down!" He meant an economic panic. Specifically a stock market panic. The stock market is all he's cared about this entire time. As far as actual panics among the populace....you know what causes panic? When you have a deadly disease about to spread and ravage the populace, that -- whether the president says is dangerous or not -- is blatantly obviously dangerous cause it's killing masses of people everywhere it goes, and your leaders downplay it constantly and leave everyone to fend for themselves! <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:944448631] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Phantom_Nook posted... </cite> <quote>"I don't want to cause a panic. In other news, a caravan of sick immigrants is coming, Dems will take your guns, and Antifa will burn your house down!"</quote>He meant an economic panic. Specifically a stock market panic. The stock market is all he's cared about this entire time. As far as actual panics among the populace....you know what causes panic? When you have a deadly disease about to spread and ravage the populace, that -- whether the president says is dangerous or not -- is blatantly obviously dangerous cause it's killing masses of people everywhere it goes, and your leaders downplay it constantly and leave everyone to fend for themselves! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
keyblader1985 09/10/20 5:21:34 PM #59:	To be fair, he also downplayed his involvement, and the death toll. He takes no responsibility for what is what it is. --- Official King of PotD You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai <cite>keyblader1985 posted [p:944451123] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>To be fair, he also downplayed his involvement, and the death toll. He takes no responsibility for what is what it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/10/20 5:28:10 PM #60:	Aculo posted... oh look another topic where Zeus is deepthroating trump's dick. didn't see that coming, ok? 2 more quarts and he gets a complimentary tote bag --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944451386] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Aculo posted... </cite> <quote>oh look another topic where Zeus is deepthroating trump's dick. didn't see that coming, ok?</quote> 2 more quarts and he gets a complimentary tote bag </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 09/11/20 7:19:06 PM #61:	Mead posted... 2 more quarts and he gets a complimentary tote bag does it have the trump logo stitched on the side, zeus can work harder, ok? --- https://imgur.com/qL0DHFI https://imgur.com/JL9rRLt https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:944495263] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>2 more quarts and he gets a complimentary tote bag</quote> does it have the trump logo stitched on the side, zeus can work harder, ok? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClarkDuke 09/11/20 7:22:32 PM #63:	Zangulus posted... Why does anyone even respond to Zeus? He literally posts easily refutable bullshit in an attempt to get people to waste their time, and it works. it's due to his new alts, but they are so not his alts, ok? --- https://imgur.com/qL0DHFI https://imgur.com/JL9rRLt https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:944495379] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Zangulus posted... </cite> <quote>Why does anyone even respond to Zeus? He literally posts easily refutable bullshit in an attempt to get people to waste their time, and it works.</quote> it's due to his new alts, but they are so not his alts, ok? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 09/12/20 7:52:01 PM #64:	Zangulus posted... Why does anyone even respond to Zeus? He literally posts easily refutable bullshit in an attempt to get people to waste their time, and it works. Dunno. We should do a mass blocking of Zeus. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:944531810] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Zangulus posted... </cite> <quote>Why does anyone even respond to Zeus? He literally posts easily refutable bullshit in an attempt to get people to waste their time, and it works.</quote>Dunno. We should do a mass blocking of Zeus. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 09/12/20 9:55:35 PM #65:	We got 'im now guys! Surely THIS will be the thing that brings the entire thing down! --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:944535763] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>We got 'im now guys! Surely THIS will be the thing that brings the entire thing down! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/12/20 9:58:16 PM #66:	WhiskeyDisk posted... We got 'im now guys! Surely THIS will be the thing that brings the entire thing down! so you like it? --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944535828] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>WhiskeyDisk posted... </cite> <quote>We got 'im now guys! Surely THIS will be the thing that brings the entire thing down!</quote> so you like it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 09/12/20 10:00:40 PM #67:	Mead posted... so you like it? That's a typical Trumper response. They love to rub in everyone's faces how terrible Trump is and that they will worship him anyway. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.2 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:944535904] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>so you like it?</quote> That's a typical Trumper response. They love to rub in everyone's faces how terrible Trump is and that they will worship him anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 09/12/20 10:04:03 PM #68:	Orange Man Bad Hello, fellow Democrats! --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:944536029] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote> Orange Man Bad Hello, fellow Democrats! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 09/12/20 10:22:58 PM #69:	WhiskeyDisk posted... Orange Man Bad Hello, fellow Democrats! That's a typical Trumper response. They love to rub in everyone's faces how terrible Trump is and that they will worship him anyway. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.2 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:944536594] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote> Orange Man Bad Hello, fellow Democrats! </quote> <quote> That's a typical Trumper response. They love to rub in everyone's faces how terrible Trump is and that they will worship him anyway.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 09/12/20 10:40:11 PM #70:	Let's look at the absolute cream of the crop Dems for a second. Biden doesn't know where he is and can barely form sentences. His VP pick who stands a very real chance of becoming president during Biden's term if he wins, had a whopping 3% of all the fucks given when she was running on her own, and the third in line to the nuclear codes was "set up" by a hair salon. Glass House much? But sure, it's totally a cult thing. Kifflom! --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:944537168] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Let's look at the absolute cream of the crop Dems for a second. Biden doesn't know where he is and can barely form sentences. His VP pick who stands a very real chance of becoming president during Biden's term if he wins, had a whopping 3% of all the fucks given when she was running on her own, and the third in line to the nuclear codes was "set up" by a hair salon. Glass House much? But sure, it's totally a cult thing. Kifflom! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 09/12/20 10:41:40 PM #71:	Copypasta --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:944537214] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Copypasta </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/12/20 11:03:34 PM #72:	Its sad to see seemingly normal folks go off the trumpster deep end --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944537886] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Its sad to see seemingly normal folks go off the trumpster deep end </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 09/12/20 11:07:27 PM #73:	WhiskeyDisk posted... Let's look at the absolute cream of the crop Dems for a second. Whatever lets you distract from the topic at hand. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.2 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:944537999] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>Let's look at the absolute cream of the crop Dems for a second.</quote> Whatever lets you distract from the topic at hand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TaKun782 09/12/20 11:09:03 PM #74:	captpackrat posted... BENGHAZI!!!! CHINA! <cite>TaKun782 posted [p:944538052] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>captpackrat posted... </cite> <quote>BENGHAZI!!!!</quote>CHINA! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 09/12/20 11:10:47 PM #75:	Phantom_Nook posted... Whatever lets you distract from the topic at hand. if he doesn't, reality hits, trump is just zeus with rich parents, ok? --- https://imgur.com/qL0DHFI https://imgur.com/JL9rRLt https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:944538105] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Phantom_Nook posted... </cite> <quote>Whatever lets you distract from the topic at hand.</quote>if he doesn't, reality hits, trump is just zeus with rich parents, ok? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 09/12/20 11:29:39 PM #76:	https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1304971015647301632?s=21 Trump openly musing about becoming a dictator, again. --- https://imgur.com/mmESgwx <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:944538658] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote> https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1304971015647301632?s=21 Trump openly musing about becoming a dictator, again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 09/12/20 11:32:41 PM #77:	Mead posted... Its sad to see seemingly normal folks go off the trumpster deep end 40%. That's how many Americans (at least) at the end of the day, are bad people. They would gladly follow Trump into hell, and they probably will. The fact that Whiskey thinks that Biden's verbal gaffes are in any way comparable is horrifically stupid and Whiskey doesn't even realize it. --- https://imgur.com/mmESgwx <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:944538760] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>Its sad to see seemingly normal folks go off the trumpster deep end</quote>40%. That's how many Americans (at least) at the end of the day, are bad people. They would gladly follow Trump into hell, and they probably will. The fact that Whiskey thinks that Biden's verbal gaffes are in any way comparable is horrifically stupid and Whiskey doesn't even realize it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 09/12/20 11:33:18 PM #78:	Here's the thing that's really going to sting come election time. And pay attention here. Regardless of what the polls say, there's millions of silent Trump voters that just keep their mouths shut after 4 years of Orange Man Bad dogpiling just like this. Do you really think you can shame people into voting for Biden? Just as you hold your nose and vote for Biden because his entire platform is "'member Obama? I'm not Trump", there's as many people that will vote for Trump because if you ask him where he is he can tell you. Suppose Biden does win. Remember how original Reagan senility jokes were in his second term? Of course not. Most of you weren't even born yet back then. Point is, in an age of social media, that will be the new OMB. We've reached a point where objectively, both candidates aren't great and it's been that way for 20+ years. We limp along voting for the lesser of two evils when we shouldn't be voting for evil in the first place. The most vocal jackasses on both sides on social media are calling the tune because we've given everyone a megaphone. I'm all for free speech, but basing what you think on what the fringe 10% on both sides shout into their megaphones is a recipe for disaster. 80% of the country isn't Antifa OR Proud Boys. There aren't racist boogeymen hiding in every shrub and under every bed, despite what the media would have you believe. It's easy to get swept up in a narrative when it has been manufactured at every turn for 4 years. --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:944538771] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Here's the thing that's really going to sting come election time. And pay attention here. Regardless of what the polls say, there's millions of silent Trump voters that just keep their mouths shut after 4 years of Orange Man Bad dogpiling just like this. Do you really think you can shame people into voting for Biden? Just as you hold your nose and vote for Biden because his entire platform is "'member Obama? I'm not Trump", there's as many people that will vote for Trump because if you ask him where he is he can tell you. Suppose Biden does win. Remember how original Reagan senility jokes were in his second term? Of course not. Most of you weren't even born yet back then. Point is, in an age of social media, that will be the new OMB. We've reached a point where objectively, both candidates aren't great and it's been that way for 20+ years. We limp along voting for the lesser of two evils when we shouldn't be voting for evil in the first place. The most vocal jackasses on both sides on social media are calling the tune because we've given everyone a megaphone. I'm all for free speech, but basing what you think on what the fringe 10% on both sides shout into their megaphones is a recipe for disaster. 80% of the country isn't Antifa OR Proud Boys. There aren't racist boogeymen hiding in every shrub and under every bed, despite what the media would have you believe. It's easy to get swept up in a narrative when it has been manufactured at every turn for 4 years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 09/12/20 11:34:58 PM #79:	Blightzkrieg posted... Trump openly musing about becoming a dictator, again. let me know how zeus tries to play this down, ok? --- https://imgur.com/qL0DHFI https://imgur.com/JL9rRLt https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:944538816] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote> Trump openly musing about becoming a dictator, again.</quote>let me know how zeus tries to play this down, ok? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 09/12/20 11:37:26 PM #80:	WhiskeyDisk posted... We limp along voting for the lesser of two evils when we shouldn't be voting for evil in the first place. Like what is the end game of this philosophy? What do you actually suggest? Because you bitch like a fucking baby when people go in the street and protest. --- https://imgur.com/mmESgwx <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:944538881] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>WhiskeyDisk posted... </cite> <quote>We limp along voting for the lesser of two evils when we shouldn't be voting for evil in the first place.</quote>Like what is the end game of this philosophy? What do you actually suggest? Because you bitch like a fucking baby when people go in the street and protest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/12/20 11:40:24 PM #81:	Blightzkrieg posted... Like what is the end game of this philosophy? pretty sure its just continuing to Blightzkrieg posted... bitch like a fucking baby --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944538975] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>Like what is the end game of this philosophy?</quote> pretty sure its just continuing to Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>bitch like a fucking baby</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 09/12/20 11:45:26 PM #82:	WhiskeyDisk posted... we shouldn't be voting for evil in the first place. Yet you'll vote for Trump. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.2 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:944539123] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>we shouldn't be voting for evil in the first place. </quote> Yet you'll vote for Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 09/13/20 12:08:25 AM #83:	Blightzkrieg posted... Like what is the end game of this philosophy? What do you actually suggest? Because you bitch like a fucking baby when people go in the street and protest. [Citation needed] I know the difference between a protest and a riot. Shrugs We've reached a point where people can't even discuss politics without epithets and name calling, while unironically calling their ideological opposition "babies". Perhaps some of you should reflect on that. Be sure to back up your asinine name calling with evidence other than "he disagreed with me". --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:944539715] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>Like what is the end game of this philosophy? What do you actually suggest? Because you bitch like a fucking baby when people go in the street and protest.</quote> [Citation needed] I know the difference between a protest and a riot. Shrugs We've reached a point where people can't even discuss politics without epithets and name calling, while unironically calling their ideological opposition "babies". Perhaps some of you should reflect on that. Be sure to back up your asinine name calling with evidence other than "he disagreed with me". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/13/20 12:13:54 AM #84:	WhiskeyDisk posted... while unironically calling their ideological opposition "babies". Perhaps some of you should reflect on that. Be sure to back up your asinine name calling with evidence other than "he disagreed with me". speaking of irony --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944539848] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>WhiskeyDisk posted... </cite> <quote>while unironically calling their ideological opposition "babies". Perhaps some of you should reflect on that. Be sure to back up your asinine name calling with evidence other than "he disagreed with me".</quote> speaking of irony </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 09/13/20 12:17:06 AM #85:	Still waiting on that citation Mead. --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:944539922] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Still waiting on that citation Mead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/13/20 12:24:53 AM #86:	WhiskeyDisk posted... Still waiting on that citation Mead. citation for what? Trump bragging on 9/11 that his tower would be the tallest building in Manhattan? https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-september-11-interview-tallest-building-manhattan-2017-9 --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944540091] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>WhiskeyDisk posted... </cite> <quote>Still waiting on that citation Mead.</quote> citation for what? Trump bragging on 9/11 that his tower would be the tallest building in Manhattan? https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-september-11-interview-tallest-building-manhattan-2017-9 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 09/13/20 12:56:12 AM #87:	WhiskeyDisk posted... [Citation needed] I know the difference between a protest and a riot. Shrugs We've reached a point where people can't even discuss politics without epithets and name calling, while unironically calling their ideological opposition "babies". Perhaps some of you should reflect on that. Be sure to back up your asinine name calling with evidence other than "he disagreed with me". It's not like nobody knows who you are Whiskey. You've been doing this shit for years on both PotD and the politics board, and God knows where else. And the best suggestion you can come up with to solve politics is "don't vote and also don't be mean to me". It's tiring listening to people demand respect when they have never exhibited any. And suggesting that the "real" problem is tone and divisiveness while deliberately ignoring actual suffering and its causes. Donald Trump is the most uncivilized major politician in decades, and yet all you can blather on about is how rudely other people are treating him. --- https://imgur.com/mmESgwx <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:944540921] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>WhiskeyDisk posted... </cite> <quote>[Citation needed] I know the difference between a protest and a riot. Shrugs We've reached a point where people can't even discuss politics without epithets and name calling, while unironically calling their ideological opposition "babies". Perhaps some of you should reflect on that. Be sure to back up your asinine name calling with evidence other than "he disagreed with me".</quote>It's not like nobody knows who you are Whiskey. You've been doing this shit for years on both PotD and the politics board, and God knows where else. And the best suggestion you can come up with to solve politics is "don't vote and also don't be mean to me". It's tiring listening to people demand respect when they have never exhibited any. And suggesting that the "real" problem is tone and divisiveness while deliberately ignoring actual suffering and its causes. Donald Trump is the most uncivilized major politician in decades, and yet all you can blather on about is how rudely other people are treating him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 09/13/20 1:28:38 AM #88:	Blightzkrieg posted... It's not like nobody knows who you are Whiskey. You've been doing this shit for years on both PotD and the politics board, and God knows where else. And the best suggestion you can come up with to solve politics is "don't vote and also don't be mean to me". It's tiring listening to people demand respect when they have never exhibited any. And suggesting that the "real" problem is tone and divisiveness while deliberately ignoring actual suffering and its causes. Donald Trump is the most uncivilized major politician in decades, and yet all you can blather on about is how rudely other people are treating him. TL;DR, smug bullshit --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:944541766] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>It's not like nobody knows who you are Whiskey. You've been doing this shit for years on both PotD and the politics board, and God knows where else. And the best suggestion you can come up with to solve politics is "don't vote and also don't be mean to me". It's tiring listening to people demand respect when they have never exhibited any. And suggesting that the "real" problem is tone and divisiveness while deliberately ignoring actual suffering and its causes. Donald Trump is the most uncivilized major politician in decades, and yet all you can blather on about is how rudely other people are treating him.</quote> TL;DR, smug bullshit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/13/20 2:18:38 AM #89:	WhiskeyDisk posted... TL;DR, smug bullshit theres that irony thing again --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944542720] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>WhiskeyDisk posted... </cite> <quote>TL;DR, smug bullshit</quote> theres that irony thing again </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eat Man 09/13/20 2:31:44 AM #90:	The sky is falling party revealing how little they actually care when hundreds of thousands of Americans die is the truth all Americans need to wake up to. Republicans don't care about you. Go look up how the right reacted to obamas handling of ebola and compare it to the defenses now of covid first being a hoax then being no big deal then being an unfortunate fact of life. And now they're pretending that the dear leader on tape admitting how serious it was before anything happened in this country, and before he said any of the above, is actually impeccable leadership. Replace trump with Obama and let's see their reaction. Its the party that cries wolf. Now go back and look up all the horrible things they warn us will happen if they're not in charge. We can all smell the BS now. --- Check out the opening excerpts of my cyberpunk novel at https://www.eyesofglass.com, also featuring my complete rewrite of Avengers Endgame! <cite>Eat Man posted [p:944542945] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>The sky is falling party revealing how little they actually care when hundreds of thousands of Americans die is the truth all Americans need to wake up to. Republicans don't care about you. Go look up how the right reacted to obamas handling of ebola and compare it to the defenses now of covid first being a hoax then being no big deal then being an unfortunate fact of life. And now they're pretending that the dear leader on tape admitting how serious it was before anything happened in this country, and before he said any of the above, is actually impeccable leadership. Replace trump with Obama and let's see their reaction. Its the party that cries wolf. Now go back and look up all the horrible things they warn us will happen if they're not in charge. We can all smell the BS now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrostedCream 09/13/20 2:42:49 AM #91:	cut the bozo some slack,hes getting a nobel peace prize at least! <cite>FrostedCream posted [p:944543131] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>cut the bozo some slack,hes getting a nobel peace prize at least! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
keyblader1985 09/13/20 2:56:11 AM #92:	Noble --- Official King of PotD* You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai <cite>keyblader1985 posted [p:944543309] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>*Noble </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 09/13/20 5:06:48 AM #93:	Blightzkrieg posted... It's not like nobody knows who you are Whiskey. You've been doing this shit for years on both PotD and the politics board, and God knows where else. And the best suggestion you can come up with to solve politics is "don't vote and also don't be mean to me". It's tiring listening to people demand respect when they have never exhibited any. And suggesting that the "real" problem is tone and divisiveness while deliberately ignoring actual suffering and its causes. Donald Trump is the most uncivilized major politician in decades, and yet all you can blather on about is how rudely other people are treating him. Damn. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:944545055] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>It's not like nobody knows who you are Whiskey. You've been doing this shit for years on both PotD and the politics board, and God knows where else. And the best suggestion you can come up with to solve politics is "don't vote and also don't be mean to me". It's tiring listening to people demand respect when they have never exhibited any. And suggesting that the "real" problem is tone and divisiveness while deliberately ignoring actual suffering and its causes. Donald Trump is the most uncivilized major politician in decades, and yet all you can blather on about is how rudely other people are treating him.</quote>Damn. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 09/13/20 12:30:36 PM #94:	Blightzkrieg posted... It's not like nobody knows who you are Whiskey. You've been doing this shit for years on both PotD and the politics board, and God knows where else. And the best suggestion you can come up with to solve politics is "don't vote and also don't be mean to me". It's tiring listening to people demand respect when they have never exhibited any. And suggesting that the "real" problem is tone and divisiveness while deliberately ignoring actual suffering and its causes. Donald Trump is the most uncivilized major politician in decades, and yet all you can blather on about is how rudely other people are treating him. And the chorus of Orange Man Bad began before he was even sworn in. Just as any criticism of Obama was "racist" and the Dems were caught completely flatfooted in 2016 because they just knew they had it in the bag because it "was Hilary's turn", you'll never be able to trust the pre-polling numbers the way you think you can. Unlike me, there are plenty of people that will vote for Trump silently because they're exactly that--silent. Everytime you turn on the news or late night TV, it's the same tired refrain for the past 4 years. Some people just don't have it in them to be the nail that sticks up. And you seem to think what? That you can browbeat people into voting for a candidate that makes Bob Dole look vibrant by comparison? Biden/Harris is an awful ticket, and "I'm not Trump" isn't a policy plank. Biden was the best the Dems could muster, they'll do another post-mortem review after this election, draw many of the correct conclusions as they did after 2016, and then ignore everything they learned yet again. --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:944553074] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>It's not like nobody knows who you are Whiskey. You've been doing this shit for years on both PotD and the politics board, and God knows where else. And the best suggestion you can come up with to solve politics is "don't vote and also don't be mean to me". It's tiring listening to people demand respect when they have never exhibited any. And suggesting that the "real" problem is tone and divisiveness while deliberately ignoring actual suffering and its causes. Donald Trump is the most uncivilized major politician in decades, and yet all you can blather on about is how rudely other people are treating him.</quote> And the chorus of Orange Man Bad began before he was even sworn in. Just as any criticism of Obama was "racist" and the Dems were caught completely flatfooted in 2016 because they just knew they had it in the bag because it "was Hilary's turn", you'll never be able to trust the pre-polling numbers the way you think you can. Unlike me, there are plenty of people that will vote for Trump silently because they're exactly that--silent. Everytime you turn on the news or late night TV, it's the same tired refrain for the past 4 years. Some people just don't have it in them to be the nail that sticks up. And you seem to think what? That you can browbeat people into voting for a candidate that makes Bob Dole look vibrant by comparison? Biden/Harris is an awful ticket, and "I'm not Trump" isn't a policy plank. Biden was the best the Dems could muster, they'll do another post-mortem review after this election, draw many of the correct conclusions as they did after 2016, and then ignore everything they learned yet again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 09/13/20 12:46:03 PM #95:	WhiskeyDisk posted... And the chorus of Orange Man Bad began before he was even sworn in. And does this prove jack shit Whiskey? He was caught bragging about sexual assaults before becoming president. He lied about how big his crowd was his first day as President. He called for five innocent teenagers to be executed in the 80s, and has refused to apologize since. He, like you, has been peddling bullshit for years now. He doesn't get to have a clean slate every time he does something else that's bad. So again I ask Whiskey, what is your fucking move here? How is intentionally making things worse going to make things better in the long term? Why do you sit on a toilet for four fucking years and bitch at the end that no one's wiped your ass so you're not fucking leaving? If your argument is that there are a lot of people voting for a terrible person because they're terrible people, I agree with you. You haven't made a single attempt to justify any of the behaviour he's displayed over the last four years, despite your constant posts about it, because you know you don't have to. The people voting for him are voting for him because of, not despite this behaviour so it really doesn't matter. I'm not trying to "convince you" or any of his other voters to vote him out. I know you won't. I want other actual decent people to vote him out, and we'll see if there are actually more of them than there are of you. --- https://imgur.com/mmESgwx <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:944553559] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>WhiskeyDisk posted... </cite> <quote>And the chorus of Orange Man Bad began before he was even sworn in.</quote>And does this prove jack shit Whiskey? He was caught bragging about sexual assaults before becoming president. He lied about how big his crowd was his first day as President. He called for five innocent teenagers to be executed in the 80s, and has refused to apologize since. He, like you, has been peddling bullshit for years now. He doesn't get to have a clean slate every time he does something else that's bad. So again I ask Whiskey, what is your fucking move here? How is intentionally making things worse going to make things better in the long term? Why do you sit on a toilet for four fucking years and bitch at the end that no one's wiped your ass so you're not fucking leaving? If your argument is that there are a lot of people voting for a terrible person because they're terrible people, I agree with you. You haven't made a single attempt to justify any of the behaviour he's displayed over the last four years, despite your constant posts about it, because you know you don't have to. The people voting for him are voting for him because of, not despite this behaviour so it really doesn't matter. I'm not trying to "convince you" or any of his other voters to vote him out. I know you won't. I want other actual decent people to vote him out, and we'll see if there are actually more of them than there are of you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 09/13/20 1:08:51 PM #96:	I'm just telling you "what is" while you throw a temper tantrum because there are people that don't see things your way. \__/ --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:944554296] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>I'm just telling you "what is" while you throw a temper tantrum because there are people that don't see things your way. \__/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 09/13/20 1:20:14 PM #97:	Whiskey I'm genuinely unsure if you see things in any way. Your words say you dislike everything as it currently is, while your actions suggest you've never been more content with the state of politics. When you have an actual point to make you can hit me up. In the meantime I'd suggest reading into Biden's platform, as right now you don't seem to realize it exists. --- https://imgur.com/mmESgwx <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:944554720] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Whiskey I'm genuinely unsure if you see things in any way. Your words say you dislike everything as it currently is, while your actions suggest you've never been more content with the state of politics. When you have an actual point to make you can hit me up. In the meantime I'd suggest reading into Biden's platform, as right now you don't seem to realize it exists. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 09/13/20 1:30:54 PM #98:	Blightzkrieg posted... I'd suggest reading into Biden's platform, as right now you don't seem to realize it exists. Kinda proves my point about how vibrant and invigorating Biden is as a candidate. --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:944555108] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>I'd suggest reading into Biden's platform, as right now you don't seem to realize it exists.</quote> Kinda proves my point about how vibrant and invigorating Biden is as a candidate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MabinogiFan 09/13/20 1:54:31 PM #99:	Blightzkrieg posted... 40%. That's how many Americans (at least) at the end of the day, are bad people Do you honestly believe this? <cite>MabinogiFan posted [p:944556015] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>40%. That's how many Americans (at least) at the end of the day, are bad people</quote>Do you honestly believe this? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/13/20 2:01:11 PM #100:	MabinogiFan posted... Do you honestly believe this? thats around how many trump supporters there are so it makes sense theres simply no rational argument that the man is supported by good people --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944556301] in Trump caug... [t:78964766]...</cite> <quote>MabinogiFan posted... </cite> <quote>Do you honestly believe this?</quote> thats around how many trump supporters there are so it makes sense theres simply no rational argument that the man is supported by good people </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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