Current Events > BLM performance on Britain's Got Talent causes record number Ofcom complaints

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https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/sep/11/blm-dance-routine-britains-got-talent-triggers-complaints

Offcom = the regulatory body that people complain to when they don't like whatever TV they're watching

Pretty fucking appalling UK. I would have quite happily thought our racism problem wasn't nearly as bad as the US's racism problem, but maybe it's just because we don't have any many black people?

If you want to do some particular self harm, go peruse the Daily Mail comment section

@Parappa09 , what did you make of this

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bunch of miserable old farts contacting ofcom. just die already so we have less tory voters

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The UK is extremely racist. People casually saying (or even shouting) grotesquely hateful things in the street or public transport is common

Consersations with the general public and co-workers spirial into them going into weird racist and anti immigrant anti gay rants

Meanwhile the rest of the population ignores it or pretends it doesn't happen. It's maddening.
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Racism is a big issue in most countries of the world actually. We humans love to hate each other.

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sounds like a lot of people are c***s

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Crash posted...

The tolerant left, everyone.

shut the fuck up

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If you're not angry, you're not paying attention.

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or as bad as the people complaining. "bgt shouldn't be political" yet only a few years ago an old dude who sang songs with pictures of the british army and veterans on stage won the show by a landslide

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That is a lot of complaints.

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Crash posted...

The tolerant left, everyone.

The left isn't tolerant and nor should it be, this is a bad republican meme

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pinky0926 posted...

The left isn't tolerant

you can say that again

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Comes from folks who value order more than justice.

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ImAMarvel posted...

Is it really that bad in Britain?

It's the worst first world country I've lived in in terms of hatred, complaining, xenophobia, anger and misplaced blame. Predjudice against people based on race or sexuality or transgender or location of birth is accepted and common. Worst knife crime in the world.

The culture is just one of being miserable.

If you have to live in Europe for some reason Germany is way better. But America and Canada are far superior.

Unless you're so wealthy the only thing that matters is weather
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If Britain's bad now, it can only become worse once the effects of the imminent no deal brexit really kick in.

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Thompson posted...

If Britain's bad now, it can only become worse once the effects of the imminent no deal brexit really kick in.

You don't get it though.

When things get worse they just blame all the people they already hate more for it. It's the modern day "Stabbed In the Back" myth. IF jobs decline or there's no medicene or another lockdown or trade is shot, people will just be angrier at immigrants and gays and black people and young people rather than admit fault or hold politicans responsible

Hell there was never a real reason to be pro-Brexit in the first place beyond chest thumping unless you were one of the few thousand people it benefited at the cost of hurting tens of millions
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pinky0926 posted...

The left isn't tolerant and nor should it be, this is a bad republican meme

Tolerance was a buzz word from the democrats when gay marriage was a big issue about 10 years ago. But tolerance means putting up with people you dont like and youre right, the left has never been about that

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ImAMarvel posted...

Can someone who has lived in Britain all their life give their take?

Don't take UR's take for anything should be a pinned comment on CE.

Racism in Britain is certainly a big problem, but it's not on the uniquely horrific level UR tries to make it out to be. At least, it's not miles above other countries racism problems as you'll find the exact same things happening elsewhere too.

It's 100% a thing that should not be happening regardless, but Brexit, protests in Birmingham awhile back about school curriculum, these "complaints" and so on show that racism is still alive and well here unfortunately.

Blaming others isn't a unique thing to Britain, it happens everywhere and is something politicians use to great effect. Just look at Trump in America to see how widespread it is there too, or look to Germany, Sweden and so on where "The Immigrants/refugees" are blamed and said to be the source of all the problems.

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ImAMarvel posted...

Why is it the far-right always screw themselves over in the process of trying to screw over minorities?

A lot of it is due to religion

You teach people that faith is more valuable than fact or reality
That martyrdom is more powerful than living.
And that there is an afterlife when you were be rewarded for being "righteous" even if everyone in this life tells you to stop what you're doing.

Then people act surprised when billions of people flat out ignore reality, create a fantasy they enjoy and believe anything they want to a violent degree.

People don't have the balls to say it but those are the fundamental building blocks of cultue that lead to it.
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ImAMarvel posted...

Makes sense. I just fucking hope the current trend of more people slipping to the far-right, creating fascistic voter bases, and blaming minorities/immigrants/refugees is something that doesn't last very long.

Sadly I see it only getting worse as Brexit gets into full swing and a reality. Coupled with Covid making life hard for many people, it will only let their hate ferment.

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ImAMarvel posted...

I've long felt like religion just holds us back as a species.

it was needed to get us started but we have outgrown it

"Its not unique to us!" is such a lame handwavey defense and part of the reality denial I was talking about

Its worse even if its not unique

The US has knife crime too
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Theon_Greyjoy posted...

Tolerance was a buzz word from the democrats when gay marriage was a big issue about 10 years ago. But tolerance means putting up with people you dont like and youre right, the left has never been about that

If someone's opnion amounts to "we should enact laws/social policy to further marginalise you" then there is absolutely no requirement to be "tolerant" over that.

So yeah, if we protest because the powers that be don't want black lives to matter, you got us there buddy - we don't tolerate that shite.

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So what are you guys going to do when Trump wins in 2 months? Blame it on racism again?
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Sad_Face posted...

So what are you guys going to do when Trump wins in 2 months? Blame it on racism again?

Not sure what point you're trying to make here, if you wanted to catch me out in a "are you saying people are stupid and vote against their own interests", then...yes?

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Yeah, I've never got the "Be tolerant of our intolerance" attitude many demand those on the left have.

No. The whole point is they are against the things you believe in and want it to change. Them wanting equality isn't bad and if it means they have to tell you that you're a garbage person and your opinion is shit, then guess what.

You opinion is shit

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pinky0926 posted...

Not sure what point you're trying to make here, if you wanted to catch me out in a "are you saying people are stupid and vote against their own interests", then...yes?

Allow me to elaborate. People don't see eye to eye on BLM and this rift has escalated considerably since these riots started happening over the world. To look down or berate persons for being vocal about their distaste for it is showing a lack of understanding of why they have those sentiments in the first place. This lack of understanding and lack of acknowledgement and respect for the other side is what put Trump in office in 2016.

This is why I am asking, what are you guys going to do when Trump wins again? Because you guys clearly haven't learned anything in the past 4 years.
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I thought cancel culture was only a thing the whiny left did

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Sad_Face posted...

To look down or berate persons for being vocal about their distaste for it is showing a lack of understanding of why they have those sentiments in the first place.

Sorry we don't care to understand why they think Black people aren't equal or deserve to be murdered?

Oh wait, no. Not sorry, not at all. If you're against the equal treatment for black people, then you're a garbage person and spending time trying to understand why they're racist seems like wasted time.

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pinky0926 posted...

If someone's opnion amounts to "we should enact laws/social policy to further marginalise you" then there is absolutely no requirement to be "tolerant" over that.

So yeah, if we protest because the powers that be don't want black lives to matter, you got us there buddy - we don't tolerate that shite.

no Im agreeing with you, except for the point that tolerance is a republican meme

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Sad_Face posted...

Allow me to elaborate. People don't see eye to eye on BLM and this rift has escalated considerably since these riots started happening over the world. To look down or berate persons for being vocal about their distaste for it is showing a lack of understanding of why they have those sentiments in the first place. This lack of understanding and lack of acknowledgement and respect for the other side is what put Trump in office in 2016.

This is why I am asking, what are you guys going to do when Trump wins again? Because you guys clearly haven't learned anything in the past 4 years.

The implication here is that the onus is on BLM supporters to have more patience and more understanding, maybe wait for the people to change society on their own timeline. Well it's been what,50 years since the civil rights act, how patient do you expect people to be? People don't angrily protest as a first resort. It's what they do when they feel fed up.

So yes, all too aware of the rift in society, but frankly I'm not feeling too zen about sitting down at a fireplace and singing kumbaya right now.


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UnfairRepresent posted...

It's the worst first world country I've lived in in terms of hatred, complaining, xenophobia, anger and misplaced blame. Predjudice against people based on race or sexuality or transgender or location of birth is accepted and common. Worst knife crime in the world.

The culture is just one of being miserable.

If you have to live in Europe for some reason Germany is way better. But America and Canada are far superior.

Unless you're so wealthy the only thing that matters is weather

It's not the white Brits that are going stab-happy in the streets. And that should immediately tell you why Brits are xenophobic. And I'm sure the widespread Pakistani grooming gangs don't help either.

Funkydog posted...

Sorry we don't care to understand why they think Black people aren't equal or deserve to be murdered?

But you must. You absolutely have to. You cannot demand respect from another person. You have to earn it.

What BLM is doing is socially pressuring people to conform. Think about how you're persuaded to the other side of an argument, you see points, consider your own, and then make decisions on which one is more optimal or agreeable. BLM doesn't do this. It's either you're with them or you're racist. So what's happening is that people are pushed to silence for fear of if they criticize the movement they'll get labeled a racist and be socially shunned. This doesn't help anyone, it only strengthens the animosity between the sides.

We've been at this since 2013, while we've had our first Black President of US of A serving. Look what has happened since, clearly it's not working. If you really want to help us black people, you have to acknowledge and address all criticism. This is basic marketing 101. At the end of the day, everyone has a limit of how much sympathy they can give, you have to give a compelling reason as to why they should care about you.
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Sad_Face posted...

You cannot demand respect from another person. You have to earn it.

This is a classic cop-out from people whose standard operating procedure is to be an asshole to everyone who isn't in their immediate circle of friends/family simply because they can


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Honestly the entire whitewashing of this nonsense, like every time there's some story about the black man who managed to change the hearts of a few KKK members through kindness and patience, it brings a tear to your eye doesn't it?

I can just imagine backwater Sally, sitting there with her Trump 2020 flag and "build the wall" bumper stickers, wiping away a tear to the facebook post. "See, this is what we need more of. Eventually, I'll see eye to eye with those people, if only there were just more of them who devoted their lives to changing how I feel about them, then I might change my opinion, it could happen. Let's wait and see."

Just inspirational isn't it

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Sad_Face posted...

But you must. You absolutely have to. You cannot demand respect from another person. You have to earn it.

What BLM is doing is socially pressuring people to conform. Think about how you're persuaded to the other side of an argument, you see points, consider your own, and then make decisions on which one is more optimal or agreeable. BLM doesn't do this. It's either you're with them or you're racist. So what's happening is that people are pushed to silence for fear of if they criticize the movement they'll get labeled a racist and be socially shunned. This doesn't help anyone, it only strengthens the animosity between the sides.

We've been at this since 2013, while we've had our first Black President of US of A serving. Look what has happened since, clearly it's not working. If you really want to help us black people, you have to acknowledge and address all criticism. This is basic marketing 101. At the end of the day, everyone has a limit of how much sympathy they can give, you have to give a compelling reason as to why they should care about you.

"Remember when MLK changed the world singlehandedly with nothing but the power of clever rhetoric? Well I suppose they did shoot him dead, and I suppose there were all those other people who had to take up arms in defense of their livelihood, but remember the genteel black man who smiled and said clever things? See that's all you need, a nice smile and some patience"


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Sad_Face posted...

But you must. You absolutely have to. You cannot demand respect from another person. You have to earn it.

What BLM is doing is socially pressuring people to conform. Think about how you're persuaded to the other side of an argument, you see points, consider your own, and then make decisions on which one is more optimal or agreeable. BLM doesn't do this. It's either you're with them or you're racist. So what's happening is that people are pushed to silence for fear of if they criticize the movement they'll get labeled a racist and be socially shunned. This doesn't help anyone, it only strengthens the animosity between the sides.

We've been at this since 2013, while we've had our first Black President of US of A serving. Look what has happened since, clearly it's not working. If you really want to help us black people, you have to acknowledge and address all criticism. This is basic marketing 101. At the end of the day, everyone has a limit of how much sympathy they can give, you have to give a compelling reason as to why they should care about you.

No thanks mate.

Telling black people, lgbtq+ people etc to "please understand" why others want to murder them and strip them of their rights is a fruitless endeavour. We already know why. It's because they are black or lgbtq+ and nothing is going to change that.

And yes, if you aren't supporting these groups of people, you are a racist/homophobe and so on. This isn't going to change if I talk to you nicely. It's been DECADESsince bills have been passed to give them rights and protections, yet people still treat them lesser than than animals. How long do you propose we give them before they see us as human? Why should we accept being seen as sub human by them? Why should we just meekly accept being murdered? Why should black people live in fear of the people that are meant to protect them?

All you are doing is putting the pressure on the oppressed and not the oppressors. It is not those being oppressed who need to change, but the ones oppressing and history has shown time and time again that revolution works and happens and is often the only way to get change.

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Remember when the violent black man violently took a knee during a very serious sports game? See you just need to figure out an even more peaceful way to get your point across, maybe make an offhand joke in an empty room just to test the waters, so that no one need be needlessly inconvenienced by any point you could be trying to make


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pinky0926 posted...

Remember when the violent black man violently took a knee during a very serious sports game? See you just need to figure out an even more peaceful way to get your point across, maybe make an offhand joke in an empty room just to test the waters, so that no one need be needlessly inconvenienced by any point you could be trying to make

They could speak to the army and take some suggestions from them! If they did something someone from the army suggested, like kneeling, it'd be okay.

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Funkydog posted...

Sadly I see it only getting worse as Brexit gets into full swing and a reality. Coupled with Covid making life hard for many people, it will only let their hate ferment.

Wait till the Scots, who voted overwhelmingly to remain begin ceaselessly to demand another referendum. Once finally given, they'll vote to leave, which will then set the Northern Irish on their path to exiting the UK.

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