Board 8 > King of Fighters 2020 (NOT MERCS) R2D28: Black Hat vs Dorito Man (Broken)

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Chuck_Tingle
09/15/20 8:40:19 PM
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Welcome to the King of Fighters 2020 (NOT MERCS) Simulated Character Battle Tournament!

The game is simple. The two* listed characters are placed in an (imaginary) location with a variety of (imaginary) environments, kind of like a picture in a child's schoolbook that describes different types of geological features. Within a ten mile radius, there is an (imaginary) urban downtown, exurbs, plains, snow-clad mountains at the edge, dry plains, etc. Fighters start wherever is most appropriate for them, but feel increasingly compelled to seek out their opponent and fight. Strong-willed fighters can try to hold out in their chosen environment for longer... eventually, all will succumb and actively search for the other to battle.

To participate, just vote in bold for whichever character you believe will win. Giving reasoning is optional, but please be polite and read what others have said and carefully make your decision. I'll ping the nominators (they can opt out) to give arguments if they wish.

Results/Discussion: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/78797189

TODAY'S PARTICIPANTS:
Black Hat (Villainous)

...I just have "Lovecraftian horror" as his description, and I have no idea why. I think somebody put fanfiction on the wiki or something, because I have no idea why he'd be broken reading it (seems like Aku but weaker)

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Dorito Man (maria's twisted imagination)

The One shall be reborn, and there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth at his rebirth. In sackcloth and ashes shall he clothe the people, and he shall break the world by his coming, tearing apart all ties that bind. Let tears flow, O ye people of the world. Weep for your salvation

what a day

@Pirateking2000 @MariaTaylor

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Shonen_Bat
09/15/20 9:12:49 PM
#2:


...uh

well it sounds like black hat is already insane so dorito bro can't make him more insane

I dunno man

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Drakeryn
09/15/20 9:20:42 PM
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if he's clothed in sackcloth and ashes does that means he loses his top hat because that seems p dire
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Johnbobb
09/15/20 9:23:23 PM
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first thought is Dorito Man but also I don't know who either of these people are

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Shonen_Bat
09/15/20 9:24:14 PM
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neither of those have to replace a hat so he should be good. he'll probably be pretty annoyed about the suit though

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Pirateking2000
09/15/20 10:01:28 PM
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Black Hat

OK so he is basically the BBEG of fiction according to its lore. Some stuff of his include:

-Invincible / Indestructible. Can't be harmed by any means including divinity which he considers a joke and far beneath him. Evil and Darkness incarnate
-He is meta. His creator canonically works for HIM and Cartoon Network has ties to his organization's web of multiversal influence in lore. He also had the mexican Powerpuff Girls narrator assassinated in one of his video shorts
-He was responsible by proxy for PPG2016 happening (or at the very least Mojo Jojo's incarnation in it as a punishment for him being an ineffective villain and he had his minion Flug do something horrible to him that led to his 2016 version). Yes he is THAT evil.
-Multiversal / Omniversal. He has connections to various villainous entities in all of fiction including Darkseid and the Daleks from Dr. Who. Lovecraftian horrors like Cthulhu are clients of his. Black Hat is likely just the entity's avatar in any given universe
-He can crush you into a singularity with a thought to either just kill you or warp you somewhere in an agonizing way
-Can warp and can create rifts in time/space/dimensions
-Reality warping
-Never tries
-Timeline awareness. He was aware that Aku was being / was deleted by Jack from the spacetime continuum.
-Described as "all evil in existence in a single place"
-Brought Anti-Pops, the BBEG from Regular who was capable of destroying universes and deleting characters down to their animation frames, to his knees. Anti Pops was fucking terrified of him
-Thing+ tier eldritch physiology. He can perfectly mimic anything and anyone
-Corrupting presence. Someone tried doing detective work on his cults and organization. They ended up become a frothing fanatic to him. He didn't even have to be near them physically. Just that they were aware of his stuff and actively seeking him
-Spirit manipulation
-Sealing
-Laser eyes
-Super strength
-Saying his true name leads to you straight up dying on the spot
-Attempting to corrupt or manipulate him mentally or otherwise just leads to that person / thing dying.
-You can't remove the hat. It is part of his physiology like his "clothes" and in a joke he has hats below hats. If you did you would just be corrupted and become a slave to him assuming you didn't already.

He is basically Villain Sue the character or an Evil One Punch Man only...an outer universal eldritch thing instead of some guy. He just does the organization thing because he is bored.

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Shonen_Bat
09/15/20 10:17:21 PM
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Black Hat being this intentionally overpowered mess of a character is actually kind of funny here, wouldn't he already know all of the other characters in the bracket and how to beat them

I guess he probably wouldn't know what dorito man is because he's not a character but then does anyone truly understand dorito man

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Pirateking2000
09/15/20 10:27:07 PM
#8:


Shonen_Bat posted...
Black Hat being this intentionally overpowered mess of a character is actually kind of funny here, wouldn't he already know all of the other characters in the bracket and how to beat them

I guess he probably wouldn't know what dorito man is because he's not a character but then does anyone truly understand dorito man

Yes. The likely scenario for the match would be something like:

-Black Hat gets summoned by host
-"Who the FUCK dares?"
-He either kills host or turns him into his servant
-Sees this tournament of pitting heroes, villains, and other wacky shit in the multiverse against each other in death matches (though he may have already been aware of it in some fashion)
-https://i.imgur.com/roi9mOI.gif
-The entire contest is taken over by Black Hat Organization, and he is putting it on stream for his clients to make bets on the matches as the contestant suffers for their amusement as well as his.

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PrinceKaro
09/15/20 10:31:55 PM
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Black Hat

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rwlh
09/15/20 10:36:49 PM
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I tried reading up on Black Hat and I couldn't find any info on his massive multiversal shenanigans. He can do things like make a monster pop out of a movie, but I didn't see anything on the level of what Pirateking2000 is saying. Do you have a link to that?
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woodman
09/15/20 10:44:34 PM
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Pirateking2000 posted...
Black Hat
<stuff>
guess I didn't mistier him after all lmao

Dorito Man is a being that transcends the laws of reality as we know it. He is the Randall Flagg of the entire multiverse. Every crime, every tragedy, every disaster; every child crying, every man weeping, every woman sobbing; every promise broken, every lie uttered, every sin committed; every spike of sorrow, pain, regret, weakness and rage; in short, every atom of spiritual harm that makes the world a lesser place is his direct doing. He is Odium. He is Hatred. He is Malevolence. Black Hat is the source of all evil of the Cartoon Network Universe, powerful enough to extend a hand out of his world to strangle his creator. Black Hat is meta. Dorito Man exists several levels above that. The very concept of evil is derived from his essence, diluted ten-thousandfold. Dorito Man is to Black Hat as Pol Pot is to a butterfly. Dorito Man would be insulted at this match up (assuming, of course, he was capable of feeling anything but undivided cruelty).

This is, of course, derived entirely from what I know of Maria's twisted imagination

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Pirateking2000
09/15/20 10:48:41 PM
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rwlh posted...
I tried reading up on Black Hat and I couldn't find any info on his massive multiversal shenanigans. He can do things like make a monster pop out of a movie, but I didn't see anything on the level of what Pirateking2000 is saying. Do you have an example of that?

I'll try gathering what I can. The funny thing with Black Hat is he just constantly escalates in his power levels (since he is basically a Villain OC which makes this match funnier as it is basically doing that only Black Hat has more actual backing with lore and having a show etc). Originally he was from Alan's mini web series and he was just Villain OC until he got to Cartoon Network with initial shorts where he started being "stronger". Then the villainous guide videos and hidden lore stuff when those came out just set it to overdrive with Max Villain Sue.

Some of the stuff is hidden and/or taken down though as there was a meta event using secret codes in the videos to access the BHO website itself in a meta way which was being tracked by an in universe secret organization monitoring him code named "Men Without Hats" (he used this as bait to lure him out as "us" accessing his website revealed them to his staff even though he was likely aware of them already and watching them squirm as text reading "HE'S ALWAYS WATCHING" pops up. In lore most of that team has been killed and the remaining two are on the run). The whole "working for Black Hat" thing was in one of the creator's tweets or ask me things I believe so not sure if I can find em. Though really it makes sense since he voices Black Hat in both english and spanish taking the Villain OC a step further

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MariaTaylor
09/15/20 11:07:11 PM
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Dorito Man traveled back in time ten years, and look at what he did to this guy:

https://i.ibb.co/Ny2wSMY/fucked.png

black hat is fucked

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Pirateking2000
09/16/20 12:11:38 AM
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rwlh posted...
I tried reading up on Black Hat and I couldn't find any info on his massive multiversal shenanigans. He can do things like make a monster pop out of a movie, but I didn't see anything on the level of what Pirateking2000 is saying. Do you have a link to that?

-Can warp you into a TV and turn it off as well as any visage of himself acting for Black Hat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umoMxjyeNsg

-Retcons Regular Show's ending. Has Anti Pops at his mercy + killed and chucks Pops into the sun
https://youtu.be/_YkG4pr3UDw?t=597

-Parasitism or mental control attempt leading to death
https://youtu.be/_OvYU4wumjY

-Meta Black Hat
https://youtu.be/eXyUdb4-I9M

Also organization influence web. Cartoon Network in the upper right. Including other villains
https://i.imgur.com/AYgk7Jf.png

Had PPG narrator killed
https://youtu.be/smMsYG5ixIM?t=88

-Sealing (also put Samara Morgan from The Ring to curse his video tapes)
https://youtu.be/fn4mxiR7Moc?t=487

-Awareness of temporal manipulation. In the same vid he mentions how divine weapons are a joke to him
https://youtu.be/fn4mxiR7Moc?t=579

-Vilgax attempting to use Black Hat's DNA to transform into him and get his power. It doesn't go well. Attempting to take Black Hat's visage leads to death. Also implication they've dealt with Daleks and other alien species from other media before.
https://youtu.be/LXlkVW_q06g?t=555

-Force choke
https://youtu.be/smMsYG5ixIM?t=172

-His minion has his own Universal Remote that Rob had from an earlier high tier match with Tor. In fact IT WAS HIS! Loaned for the match obviously and his humiliating death against a superior villain was his punishment for sucking so bad
https://youtu.be/smMsYG5ixIM?t=469

-His organization is responsible for the monsters in Powerpuff Girls
https://youtu.be/__QoamYVeZM?t=90

-Also had a product responsible for Nigel Uno becoming bald
https://youtu.be/__QoamYVeZM?t=181

-Casually kicked 505 (an experiment gone wrong using an iota of his essence) over mountains. Note 505 is canonically unkillable due to being born from a tiny bit of Black Hat's being
https://youtu.be/__QoamYVeZM?t=219

-His minion Flug experimenting on Mojo Jojo as punishment leading to his 2016 self
https://youtu.be/__QoamYVeZM?t=629
https://youtu.be/TrD4FgFn-zA?t=277

-Mind control / corruption. Avatar assimilation
https://youtu.be/TrD4FgFn-zA?t=513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk_p-QvSjgg

-Rift tearing
https://youtu.be/Uo8NwDptljM?t=134

-Dark Magic and Animation
https://youtu.be/fAprwqWy77o?t=13

-Eldritch physiology and Mimicry as well as localized temporal manipulation. Also implied destruction touch
https://youtu.be/OUZI9ZiDVSg

Can make monsters in movies become real / reality warping
https://imgur.com/a/qZWp8cA

-Pilot stuff. Implied omniscience, warped Flug by crushing him into a singularity, instant teleportation, apparently turns 505 inside out and/or kills them regularly, nightmare inducement. In hidden files it is implied his organization is responsible for the villainess's condition and her path to villainy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNFbN3fiALI

-All visages of him act for him and can tangibly affect the world. You can't really so much kill Black Hat anymore than you can kill Darkness and Evil itself across the multiverse
https://youtu.be/Uo8NwDptljM?t=280

There's other stuff along with the hidden lore etc but yeah that's some of it. This is basically a battle of the bullshit silly OCs and Black Hat has more stuff actually going for him and has more canonical meta control than Maria does. The match probably would be something like him turning the host into a dorito, put dorito man into a cosmic bowl along with the host snack, and sell it to one of his lovecraftian clients to eat while he hijacks the contest.

(Note his hax lore grows over time so him getting comically annoyed in the earlier shorts doesn't mean much and even in those shorts some of the paintings imply he has conquered the Cartoon Network universes already or some iteration of them before)

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Pirateking2000
09/16/20 12:27:24 AM
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and literally like three minutes after I posted the Black Hat stuff this happened
https://i.imgur.com/HJOK0du.png

Do you still doubt Black Hat's meta powers!? Not even GameFAQs is safe!

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Chuck_Tingle
09/16/20 12:39:51 AM
#16:


Pirateking2000 posted...
and literally like three minutes after I posted the Black Hat stuff this happened
https://i.imgur.com/HJOK0du.png

Do you still doubt Black Hat's meta powers!? Not even GameFAQs is safe!
Dorito Man is winning rn, so this looks like his doing

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Pirateking2000
09/16/20 12:44:31 AM
#17:


Chuck_Tingle posted...
Dorito Man is winning rn, so this looks like his doing

If it was clearly Black Hat's meta power beating him if that was the case since he couldn't stop it as it happened beforehand (more likely a warning shot from Black Hat to the pitiful voters who vote incorrectly). Either the site crashed just from Black Hat's presence and info or Dorito Man tried to silence him but failed utterly. Black Hat's meta power is superior either way

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Shonen_Bat
09/16/20 12:45:20 AM
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well damn, if he's just going to take the website down if he loses then I guess there's no choice

Black Hat

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Chuck_Tingle
09/16/20 12:45:22 AM
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Pirateking2000 posted...
If it was clearly Black Hat's meta power beating him if that was the case since he couldn't stop it as it happened beforehand. Either the site crashed just from Black Hat's presence and info or Dorito Man tried to silence him but failed utterly. Black Hat's meta power is superior either way
the site going down is good for the character in the lead...

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Pirateking2000
09/16/20 12:46:44 AM
#20:


Chuck_Tingle posted...
the site going down is good for the character in the lead...

Not in the lead anymore fool! For they now know what will happen should they not vote for him!
https://i.imgur.com/lSrr55O.png

Kneel before Black Hat! All hail Black Hat!

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Shonen_Bat
09/16/20 12:46:50 AM
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clearly it was a warning shot, just a taste of what will happen if he loses

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KanzarisKelshen
09/16/20 8:51:41 AM
#22:


Black Hat, why not

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ZeeksFire
09/16/20 10:50:02 AM
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Black Hat

Seems like the sensible thing to do.
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rwlh
09/16/20 3:39:23 PM
#24:


Thank you for all the links.

I only watched the beginning of the pilot but I think I covered everything else. I think you might be overselling this character. A lot of what you posted was stuff that his minions or his organization do, not Black Hat directly. Like, apparently he was responsible for getting the Universal Remote to Rob, but the clip doesn't actually show him using it. Dr. Flug is the one who gave Rob the Remote, and we don't even see him using it! So to list that as a feat for Black Hat is a bit of a stretch. There are other things too, like being responsible for other villains' weaponry and backstories, which is neat, but it isn't something that's really relevant in a one-on-one fight.

There's some interesting things in those clips. He teleports a lot and can teleport others, he has some sort of weird eldritch physiology, he can kick someone over a mountain, force choke people, has meta awareness and can communicate through different avatars. He's neat. Does he belong in Broken Tier? I'm not sure that he does.

Still voting for him though.

Black Hat.

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MetalmindStats
09/16/20 5:45:02 PM
#25:


Dorito Man

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