Poll of the Day > I just learned that Dragonball GT is not canon.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Is this true?

I did liked that the series felt like a continuation of dragonball. Althought i did not like what they did to goku's appearance.

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Yes, it was kinda replaced by DBS. iirc, the series' creator wasn't involved with GT which is part of it which is largely why he chose to just ignore it when he was working on the franchise again.

Dmess85 posted...

I did liked that the series felt like a continuation of dragonball. Althought i did not like what they did to goku's appearance.

I didn't watch a lot of it, but it had a lot of things I kinda liked including a return to more of an adventure format (and they presumably did things like rewind Goku's age to give it more of a DB feel). DBS is in some ways closer to Z and not really the good Z.

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It definitely wasn't all bad. It had some good ideas, like returning to a more lighthearted and adventurous tone, the Saiyan/Tuffle feud, and the idea of consequences for abusing the Dragon Balls (which there should have been in some capacity; they were free do-overs for the entire series).

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This is true, TC.

But I still prefer it over the new series that has all these weird colored hairs.

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it's ok.

minus is canon, and it's garbage tier fanfic-esque
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It was canon mostly when it came out, but once DBS came out Akira Toriyama didn't want to have to deal with GT. So DBS takes place roughly 6 months after DBZ meaning that the events of DBGT couldn't have happened.

yep and it is a shame. gt was good.

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Yes, and IMO it was a shame. I like the show.

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I liked the first saga of GT, it felt like a return back to the original Dragonball. The later ones just felt like another Z story.

Can't comment on Super, I stopped being interested in Anime before that came out. From what I have heard though I probably wouldn't like it even if I was interested in Anime again.

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one of the best scenes is not cannon now to bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epxFFy01dRU

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What is and isn't canon in Dragon Ball is a mess.
The only "canon" Broly for example is the one that shows up in Super.

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yeah no ssj4 the best transformation till it becomes cannon again at least that's not a palette swap re-Colour

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Judgmenl posted...

What is and isn't canon in Dragon Ball is a mess.
The only "canon" Broly for example is the one that shows up in Super.

It's not really that hard. The DBZ movies and GT are not canon.

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We talkin about canon from an author that forgets his own characters.

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quigonzel posted...

It was widely considered non-canon from the get-go.

Yeah...when did people start to like it?
I could get into it, but it really is not great at all. The cool parts are basically working off what was already established; basically they were given gold, so it had a long way to fall. The fact it's short kind of helps

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keyblader1985 posted...

It's not really that hard. The DBZ movies and GT are not canon.

Wait, I remember some of the movies being referenced by the show? Oo

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Zeus posted...

Wait, I remember some of the movies being referenced by the show? Oo

the newer movies are canon

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IIRC, The History of Trunks was actually a TV special, so it's pretty much canon. I'm not sure about Bardock.

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They mention garlic or whatever towards the beginning of Z and that was a movie. That's one of the few times canon got a little muddled for me.

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main hated of GT was no one liked what they did to A17

and now he's like the hero in super lol

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Monopoman posted...

It was canon mostly when it came out, but once DBS came out Akira Toriyama didn't want to have to deal with GT. So DBS takes place roughly 6 months after DBZ meaning that the events of DBGT couldn't have happened.

Not exactly
pedro45 posted...

They mention garlic or whatever towards the beginning of Z and that was a movie. That's one of the few times canon got a little muddled for me.

Garlic Jr. was a movie and then a filler arc later so you can kinda consider it canon to the anime at least.

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BlazeAndBlade posted...

main hated of GT was no one liked what they did to A17

and now he's like the hero in super lol

imo seriously killing krillin (no dragin ball bs this time) would also be something people wouldn't want to be canon, guy deserves an happy ending

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I've never understood the hate boner nerds get for non-canon stuff. It's still official media so if you're a fan of the series why would you be against even more content for it? As much as these turbovirgins want to pretend GT's irrelevant (especially since Super) it still constantly shows up in video games and such. The brand will continue to use and reference it, it's not a blemish they're trying to forget like some of the fanbase insists on.

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Veedrock- posted...

I've never understood the hate boner nerds get for non-canon stuff. It's still official media so if you're a fan of the series why would you be against even more content for it? As much as these turbovirgins want to pretend GT's irrelevant (especially since Super) it still constantly shows up in video games and such. The brand will continue to use and reference it, it's not a blemish they're trying to forget like some of the fanbase insists on.

Non canon stuff can still be good. A lot of the DBZ movies were fun even though they didn't really fit into the timeline anywhere.

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Sept the bio broly movie many fan's pretend that doesn't exist
not only did it not star goku but ruined broly's character and the main characters in that where 18 goten and trunks

still no where near as bad as evolution level of terrible

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pedro45 posted...

They mention garlic or whatever towards the beginning of Z and that was a movie. That's one of the few times canon got a little muddled for me.

gero wasn't even in db
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Veedrock- posted...

I've never understood the hate boner nerds get for non-canon stuff

blame naruto

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Wanded posted...

blame naruto

It really works for anything. Any reboot, remake, late sequel, etc. almost always has complaints it will ruin the series or the original or something along those lines.

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Wanded posted...

blame naruto

Good policy for things in general.

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Monopoman posted...

It was canon mostly when it came out, but once DBS came out Akira Toriyama didn't want to have to deal with GT. So DBS takes place roughly 6 months after DBZ meaning that the events of DBGT couldn't have happened.

It was never canon since it wasn't in the manga.
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the only reason Akira went back to DBZ was because of the god awful Dragonball Evolution film, that disgusted him so much that he wanted to make it right.

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Revelation34 posted...

It was never canon since it wasn't in the manga.

Kinda irrelevant, since canon is whatever Akira Toriyama wants it to be. He could write off the entirety of DBZ as a "side story" and start again at the ending of DB, at which point that'd be the new canon. And at the time it came out, iirc Toriyama wasn't working on the manga so the anime was the only expansion to the franchise.

It's basically like suggesting that all the new SW isn't canon because Lucas isn't working on it now. Ultimately canon is decided by whoever owns the IP (which is why Lucas's word of god made a lot of stuff canon that Disney later reverted)

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Zeus posted...

Kinda irrelevant, since canon is whatever Akira Toriyama wants it to be. He could write off the entirety of DBZ as a "side story" and start again at the ending of DB, at which point that'd be the new canon. And at the time it came out, iirc Toriyama wasn't working on the manga so the anime was the only expansion to the franchise.

It's basically like suggesting that all the new SW isn't canon because Lucas isn't working on it now. Ultimately canon is decided by whoever owns the IP (which is why Lucas's word of god made a lot of stuff canon that Disney later reverted)

That's not how canon works. Canon is whatever the original creator says is canon regardless of who owns the rights.
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Revelation34 posted...

That's not how canon works. Canon is whatever the original creator says is canon regardless of who owns the rights.

You're confusing fanon with canon. Lucas can't invalidate Disney even if he wanted to, although some of his fans might agree with his perspective. However, Disney can do whatever they want. They want to undo Lucas rectonning Greedo into shooting first, they could with the same authority that Lucas once had. Whether or not the fans reject it has no impact.

I'll grant you that there's sometimes some wiggle room, like acknowledging one set of canon as being separate from the rest of the canon, but at that point you're acknowledging one specific set of canon rather pretending that the rest never happened.

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Zeus posted...

You're confusing fanon with canon. Lucas can't invalidate Disney even if he wanted to, although some of his fans might agree with his perspective. However, Disney can do whatever they want. They want to undo Lucas rectonning Greedo into shooting first, they could with the same authority that Lucas once had. Whether or not the fans reject it has no impact.

I'll grant you that there's sometimes some wiggle room, like acknowledging one set of canon as being separate from the rest of the canon, but at that point you're acknowledging one specific set of canon rather pretending that the rest never happened.

That's not fanon. Fanon is something like a fanfiction.
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Dragon Ball Super changes the timeline so GT doesn't exist anymore.

That said, many aspects of non-canon Dragon Ball have been reworked into the Dragon Ball canon within the Super timeline.
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