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MedeaLysistrata
09/22/20 11:53:25 AM
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Second only to Jenny's party 5 years ago, which was legendary

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coh
09/22/20 11:53:52 AM
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I mean yeah we do. People don't realize how good they have it
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teepan95
09/22/20 11:54:58 AM
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Isn't that meaningless cause development always goes up (on a global scale)?
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MedeaLysistrata
09/22/20 11:58:14 AM
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teepan95 posted...
Isn't that meaningless cause development always goes up (on a global scale)?
Probably... I don't know.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/22/20 11:58:29 AM
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Let's figure the answer out together Teep

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The Trent
09/22/20 11:59:44 AM
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no because incels karens BLM MAGA rioters CORONAVIRUS celebrities #metoo trumpeters SJW
sorry, these are terrible times and we should all be miserable

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teepan95
09/22/20 11:59:57 AM
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I was referring to coh's post more so than you

But now I'd be interested in seeing a graph of the HDI against time for a variety of countries
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MedeaLysistrata
09/22/20 12:01:18 PM
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https://ophi.org.uk/policy/national-policy/gross-national-happiness-index/

2ndary metric for development

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GoodOlJr
09/22/20 12:02:04 PM
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The Trent posted...
no because incels karens BLM MAGA rioters CORONAVIRUS celebrities #metoo trumpeters SJW
sorry, these are terrible times and we should all be miserable


Work from home and vidya
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The Trent
09/22/20 12:03:02 PM
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GoodOlJr posted...
Work from home and vidya

PS5 XBOX RTX 3080 CAN'T GET ANYTHING ANYWHERE GAMERS RISE UP

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teepan95
09/22/20 12:17:33 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
https://ophi.org.uk/policy/national-policy/gross-national-happiness-index/

2ndary metric for development

Idk, it sounds too much "bread and circuses" to me
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MedeaLysistrata
09/22/20 1:02:48 PM
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teepan95 posted...
Idk, it sounds too much "bread and circuses" to me
how do you mean? can't decipher this

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Solar_Crimson
09/22/20 1:36:09 PM
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Yeah, the best times before everything capsizes.

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HylianFox
09/22/20 1:37:51 PM
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It was the best of times
It was the BLURST of times!?

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SmidgeIsntBack
09/22/20 1:38:16 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
how do you mean? can't decipher this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses


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teepan95
09/22/20 1:49:41 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
teepan95 posted...
Idk, it sounds too much "bread and circuses" to me
how do you mean? can't decipher this

"Let's keep the populace happy without actually making their lives better"
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The Trent
09/22/20 1:50:45 PM
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teepan95 posted...
"Let's keep the populace happy without actually making their lives better"

are you arguing that we aren't living in one of the best times in human history?

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HylianFox
09/22/20 1:50:49 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uYhIiW6lok

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RustyFerret
09/22/20 1:51:44 PM
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It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
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teepan95
09/22/20 1:55:51 PM
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The Trent posted...
teepan95 posted...
"Let's keep the populace happy without actually making their lives better"

are you arguing that we aren't living in one of the best times in human history?

1. In general, I'm arguing that the future is always better than the past, so the statement is meaningless

2. With that post in particular, I'm arguing that the happiness index TC posted doesn't really capture the necessary indices to figure out how "good" our time is
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The Trent
09/22/20 1:58:54 PM
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okay i'm with you but
it's not meaningless, i'd consider it a helpful reminder sometimes

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teepan95
09/22/20 2:00:19 PM
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The Trent posted...
it's not meaningless, i'd consider it a helpful reminder sometimes

That's fair
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Zikten
09/22/20 2:01:13 PM
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a thousand years from now will be much better probably than now. assuming we don't collapse
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MedeaLysistrata
09/22/20 2:03:31 PM
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teepan95 posted...
"Let's keep the populace happy without actually making their lives better"
yeah but an index that measures stuff like how people are satisfied with how they get to spend their time, or how involved they can be in their community, has nothing to do with bread and circus. it's not measuring if people are satisfied with the movies that are being released or whatever.

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The Trent
09/22/20 2:03:40 PM
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Zikten posted...
a thousand years from now will be much better probably than now. assuming we don't collapse

well i fucking hope so
wouldn't it be comforting to think that we are living in a better time than 95% of the previous human population and that the future will be even better than it is now?

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masticatingman
09/22/20 2:06:40 PM
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teepan95 posted...
Isn't that meaningless cause development always goes up (on a global scale)?
At least in European history, this notion is laughable. Living in the Roman golden age of the 1st century BC was probably unrivaled in terms of living conditions for 1500-1600 years. At least for the general populace.

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BeyondWalls
09/22/20 2:06:44 PM
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coh posted...
I mean yeah we do. People don't realize how good they have it
Im Lysol-ing my groceries and going out of the house is like playing Russian Roulette.

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The_Ivory_Man
09/22/20 2:06:54 PM
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True, this year is actively worse than the previous few though.
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teepan95
09/22/20 2:07:11 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
teepan95 posted...
"Let's keep the populace happy without actually making their lives better"
yeah but an index that measures stuff like how people are satisfied with how they get to spend their time, or how involved they can be in their community, has nothing to do with bread and circus. it's not measuring if people are satisfied with the movies that are being released or whatever.

I guess. But I still hold that an index like the HDI is a better criterion
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teepan95
09/22/20 2:07:46 PM
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masticatingman posted...
teepan95 posted...
Isn't that meaningless cause development always goes up (on a global scale)?
At least in European history, this notion is laughable. Living in the Roman golden age of the 1st century BC was probably unrivaled in terms of living conditions for 1500-1600 years. At least for the general populace.


teepan95 posted...
(on a global scale)

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The Trent
09/22/20 2:09:29 PM
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BeyondWalls posted...
Im Lysol-ing my groceries and going out of the house is like playing Russian Roulette.

you'd have been in the first wave of black plague deaths though, maybe in the first .1% based on that post
so point still stands

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MedeaLysistrata
09/22/20 2:10:24 PM
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teepan95 posted...
I guess. But I still hold that an index like the HDI is a better criterion
Sure, I mean I did say it's a secondary metric.

But if you have:
40% earning min wage 40 hours a week
50% earning the national avg 40 hours a week
10% earning in the upper bracket working 40+ hours a week

Shit is pretty bad, imo

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Zikten
09/22/20 2:10:40 PM
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masticatingman posted...
At least in European history, this notion is laughable. Living in the Roman golden age of the 1st century BC was probably unrivaled in terms of living conditions for 1500-1600 years. At least for the general populace.

I like to wonder what it would have been like if Rome never fell. and there was no Dark Ages. imagine where we would be today
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Austin_Era_II
09/22/20 2:10:50 PM
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Premium is still free. 2020 da best

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RustyFerret
09/22/20 2:11:11 PM
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teepan95 posted...
In general, I'm arguing that the future is always better than the past, so the statement is meaningless
Guess that depends on what you mean by in general and what makes something better.

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BeyondWalls
09/22/20 2:12:51 PM
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The Trent posted...
you'd have been in the first wave of black plague deaths though, maybe in the first .1% based on that post
so point still stands
So all that qualifies as a great time to be alive is beating the Black Plague? Im pretty sure your standards should be higher.

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The Trent
09/22/20 2:13:53 PM
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BeyondWalls posted...
So all that qualifies as a great time to be alive is beating the Black Plague? Im pretty sure your standards should be higher.

is that what you understood from what i said?
dearie me i've failed

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teepan95
09/22/20 2:15:12 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
teepan95 posted...
I guess. But I still hold that an index like the HDI is a better criterion
Sure, I mean I did say it's a secondary metric.

But if you have:
40% earning min wage 40 hours a week
50% earning the national avg 40 hours a week
10% earning in the upper bracket working 40+ hours a week

Shit is pretty bad, imo

I see your point. Apologies for taking this long to get it, it's late and my brain is still full of all the rheometry knowledge I've been learning for my exam
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ZeldaNPC271x5
09/22/20 2:16:35 PM
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teepan95 posted...
Isn't that meaningless cause development always goes up (on a global scale)?


development hasnt gone up enough to justify 2019 not being the best time in human history
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MedeaLysistrata
09/22/20 2:17:29 PM
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teepan95 posted...
I see your point. Apologies for taking this long to get it, it's late and my brain is still full of all the rheometry knowledge I've been learning for my exam
get some sleep!! edit: wait i guess it's too early to sleep in Germany?

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teepan95
09/22/20 2:20:55 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
teepan95 posted...
I see your point. Apologies for taking this long to get it, it's late and my brain is still full of all the rheometry knowledge I've been learning for my exam
get some sleep!! edit: wait i guess it's too early to sleep in Germany?

It is. I am gonna wind down now, though. Either gonna watch Black Panther or play Hades, I haven't decided yet

ZeldaNPC271x5 posted...
teepan95 posted...
Isn't that meaningless cause development always goes up (on a global scale)?


development hasnt gone up enough to justify 2019 not being the best time in human history

Assuming that's true, 2020 is definitely an outlier, though
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theiwantsong
09/22/20 2:48:47 PM
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coh posted...
I mean yeah we do. People don't realize how good they have it

People overestimate how good people have it. They take a look around and say, "We have smartphones, tons of convenience via tinder, and grubhub, and you name it." and think things are amazing. There is some truth to that, but we fail to measure abstractions like meaning and self-purpose. There's a reason why so many people commit suicide nowadays. I think part of that reason is their exposure to so many people. They're demotivated when they see so much greatness in all the people around them (thanks to the Internet). Also the wealthy class is taking a lot of opportunity away from people.
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Prismsblade
09/22/20 3:01:30 PM
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theiwantsong posted...
People overestimate how good people have it. They take a look around and say, "We have smartphones, tons of convenience via tinder, and grubhub, and you name it." and think things are amazing. There is some truth to that, but we fail to measure abstractions like meaning and self-purpose. There's a reason why so many people commit suicide nowadays. I think part of that reason is their exposure to so many people. They're demotivated when they see so much greatness in all the people around them (thanks to the Internet). Also the wealthy class is taking a lot of opportunity away from people.
Depression has evolved pretty much. Miserable people looking up and following other miserable peoples nagative lives, storys, drama or etc to feel good that they aren't alone in suffering, but in reality it's just creates a negative feedback loop that eventually spirals out or control.

The internet just makes this easier then ever, and mainstream media doesn't help either, but honestly their just giving the people what they want.

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The Trent
09/22/20 3:07:09 PM
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Ex-Kefiroth posted...
The only thing that always goes up is entropy.

bestill my beating heart

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teepan95
09/22/20 3:39:24 PM
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Ex-Kefiroth posted...
teepan95 posted...
Isn't that meaningless cause development always goes up (on a global scale)?

The only thing that always goes up is entropy.

Fuck yeah 2nd law!
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PrettyBoyFloyd
09/22/20 3:42:52 PM
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The Trent posted...
no because incels karens BLM MAGA rioters CORONAVIRUS celebrities #metoo trumpeters SJW
sorry, these are terrible times and we should all be miserable

That's the thing.

Their life sucks or they want to be mean, so should everyone else.

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Smackems
09/22/20 4:05:24 PM
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coh posted...
I mean yeah we do. People don't realize how good they have it
No everything is evil and istaphobicism

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IShall_Run_Amok
09/22/20 5:12:45 PM
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Great, now all we have to do is get rid of capitalism and things will be even better.

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