Poll of the Day > Do you know what a Motte and Bailey is?

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Lokarin
09/23/20 1:54:07 AM
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Well?


Well?

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zebatov
09/23/20 1:57:42 AM
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Its the second one, but Id never drink it... and Americans dont usually know what Clamato is. Or that it originated in Calgary.

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Metalsonic66
09/23/20 2:01:07 AM
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Yeah, it was the name of my band back in high school. We really thought we'd go far. But of course Jimmy quit, and Jody got married.

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Zeus_LLC
09/23/20 2:03:46 AM
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I think when they refer to the castle, they call it a motte and bailey castle rather than just a Motte and Bailey. However, that's my first and only association with the term. Apparently there's also a Motte and Bailey logical fallacy. I'm unfamiliar with the food or drink.


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ZeldaMutant
09/23/20 3:23:06 AM
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Zeus_LLC posted...
I think when they refer to the castle, they call it a motte and bailey castle rather than just a Motte and Bailey. However, that's my first and only association with the term. Apparently there's also a Motte and Bailey logical fallacy. I'm unfamiliar with the food or drink.

"An arguer conflates two positions which share similarities, one modest and easy to defend (the "motte") and one much more controversial (the "bailey"). The arguer advances the controversial position, but when challenged, they insist that they are only advancing the more modest position. Upon retreating to the motte, the arguer can claim that the bailey has not been refuted (because the critic refused to attack the motte) or that the critic is unreasonable (by equating an attack on the bailey with an attack on the motte)."

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Zareth
09/23/20 4:23:29 AM
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Yeah I played Lords of the Realm 2.

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PMarth2002
09/23/20 5:36:10 AM
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Zareth posted...
Yeah I played Lords of the Realm 2.


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KJ StErOiDs
09/23/20 8:09:51 AM
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I figured it was an alcoholic drink but didn't know the ingredients.

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ParanoidObsessive
09/23/20 12:30:20 PM
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I couldn't tell you what it is exactly, but I know it's related to castles. I've heard certain castles described as a "motte and bailey design".



zebatov posted...
Americans dont usually know what Clamato is.

Plenty of Americans know what Clamato is. It's often a punchline in "what's the most disgusting thing you can think of?" type discussions.
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Mead
09/23/20 12:33:20 PM
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Applesauce with Irish cream

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GGuirao13
09/23/20 2:49:20 PM
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No.

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Zeus_LLC
09/24/20 1:26:53 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
I couldn't tell you what it is exactly, but I know it's related to castles. I've heard certain castles described as a "motte and bailey design".

Is this really PO? =x I assumed you'd have expert-level knowledge about castles.

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Lokarin
09/24/20 1:29:32 AM
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Zeus_LLC posted...
Is this really PO? =x I assumed you'd have expert-level knowledge about castles.

Machicolations!!!

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Sensual_T_Rex
09/24/20 4:32:05 AM
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Lokarin posted...
Machicolations!!!

Well that's all well and good but what about dragons?

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ParanoidObsessive
09/24/20 8:52:27 PM
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Zeus_LLC posted...
Is this really PO? =x I assumed you'd have expert-level knowledge about castles.

For all my RPG nerd cred and pride in being a sort of modern Renaissance Man, I've always admitted there are plenty of things I don't know about. I usually don't go into or comment in topics about stuff I'm not all that familiar with though, so I acknowledge I can easily come across as a know-it-all.

For castles, about the only thing I know is that the fiddly bits at top are called crenelations (as mentioned in a recent topic!), and the incredibly esoteric fact that most spiral staircases in Europe tend to go counter-clockwise upwards (which I mostly just use to figure out how to build staircases in Minecraft), because it forces attackers trying to storm a tower to keep their sword-arm towards the central column, which makes it harder for them to fight against defenders above.

Oh, and I know about a little bit Mad King Ludwig's castles because my family (well, part of it) actually comes from Bavaria, so it kind of feels like I'm obligated to know about them.

Otherwise, it's not really a subject that's ever really interested me all that much, so I never really looked into it.
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Zareth
09/24/20 9:19:18 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
the incredibly esoteric fact that most spiral staircases in Europe tend to go counter-clockwise upwards (which I mostly just use to figure out how to build staircases in Minecraft), because it forces attackers trying to storm a tower to keep their sword-arm towards the central column, which makes it harder for them to fight against defenders above.
Then a bunch of southpaws invade the castle and you're fucked.

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ParanoidObsessive
09/24/20 11:21:53 PM
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Zareth posted...
Then a bunch of southpaws invade the castle and you're fucked.

Yeah, but then they'd have like 1/10th the manpower and you could just overpower them with sheer numbers.
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Zeus_LLC
09/25/20 1:17:23 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
For all my RPG nerd cred and pride in being a sort of modern Renaissance Man, I've always admitted there are plenty of things I don't know about. I usually don't go into or comment in topics about stuff I'm not all that familiar with though, so I acknowledge I can easily come across as a know-it-all.

For castles, about the only thing I know is that the fiddly bits at top are called crenelations (as mentioned in a recent topic!), and the incredibly esoteric fact that most spiral staircases in Europe tend to go counter-clockwise upwards (which I mostly just use to figure out how to build staircases in Minecraft), because it forces attackers trying to storm a tower to keep their sword-arm towards the central column, which makes it harder for them to fight against defenders above.

Oh, and I know about a little bit Mad King Ludwig's castles because my family (well, part of it) actually comes from Bavaria, so it kind of feels like I'm obligated to know about them.

Otherwise, it's not really a subject that's ever really interested me all that much, so I never really looked into it.

It's a surprise mostly because I thought you were a large fan of the fantasy genre, which can be pretty castle-heavy (in addition to my impression that you were something of a history buff). It's not so much the all-knowing PO aspect as it is that I just assumed it would be in your wheelhouse.

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blackhrt
09/26/20 11:48:49 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Well?

yeah theres a lot of weird naming conventions

like toad in a hole

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Muscles
09/27/20 12:43:18 AM
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Yes, I watched a shadiversity video on them about a week ago

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