Board 8 > B8's Blind Bracketeering FINAL ROUND: Hypothetical Mercs

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WHICH CHARACTER ARE YOU DRAFTING ONTO YOUR MERCENARIES V TEAM?

• Vote for 1 character from each pair to proceed to the next round. Two pairs will be done during each 24-hour period.
• The round will automatically end 24 hours from MATCH START. If there's a tie, the next new vote will break it.
• You can only vote for one character from each block but feel free to make arguments if you like!
• Once every pair is complete, there will be a new topic with a new prompt for the 3rd round.

Match 1 results
Captain Toad (Captain Toad) - 5
Joker (Persona 5) - 12

Match 2 results
Kirby (Kirby) - 4
Samus (Metroid) - 13


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Joker (Persona 5)
Samus (Metroid)



FINAL MATCH START!!!

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great topic for this finals

Samus

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i'll take the 6/week please

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Samus

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X_Dante_X posted...

i'll take the 6/week please

ok but does samus have a PERSONA

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X_Dante_X posted...

i'll take the 6/week please

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so I acknowledge Samus has an obvious bonus here for being higher tier, but let's not forget abilities!

I mean Joker doesn't have a build on the wiki so he doesn't have any specifically but that just means he's open to something really op

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SMAUS

caps

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Joker (Persona 5)

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Samus

I assume this takes place in reality.

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as someone who will be in mercs 5

JOKER

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Joker (Persona 5)

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Samus

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Joker

seems like a solid 4 with probably a fun custom or something, and I try to focus on mercs I actually know decently well

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Samus
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Samus

Joker is kinda hard to judge

X_Dante_X posted...

i'll take the 6/week please

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Joker is going to have some sick abilities most likely.

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Samus

Gonna go Samus but not because she's 6/week

Just because I have no early idea how to argue the effectiveness of things that take place in Mementos

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its actually really funny to go off mercs iv, since yu and samus were both staples on teams that got eliminated decently early

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the way I see it, samus is boring but she's well-respected and everyone knows her so she kinda argues herself

yu was overpriced for the respect he got. he's the kind of guy who lends himself to creative arguments that voters don't actually buy
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dark samus tho

phazon

phazon everywhere

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Joker.

So basically, you have Yu Narukami at baseline, plus gun respect, plus stealth capabilities, plus psychic attacks, plus better cutscene feats, and the only downside is less plot hype for Satanael than Izanagi no Okami, which doesn't matter because voters do not respect that Izanagi no Okami is a massive powerup. All of this makes Joker pretty attractive as a baseline. As a bonus, he has a better base build skeleton to work with if you assume he can riff on Yu's abilities from M4, vs the crap Samus got across her multiple iterations. In general, I'm inclined to think that Joker's better, particularly if he's allowed to use any of the, y'know, actually good passives and abilities instead of being hamstrung because 'oh no immunity to phys, how will we ever counter this, god forbid mages matter'.

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i do agree that null phys should be allowed back. I could see banning custom options that provide it in low tier potentially though (assuming tiers are still a thing in future mercs), since i kinda hate the thought that buying him down allows literal insta wins against some comps early game when people don't have lowbies with other options beyond melee. This is only a fear super early game though i would think

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well we can't have buydown insta wins in mercs now can we

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X_Dante_X posted...

i do agree that null phys should be allowed back. I could see banning custom options that provide it in low tier potentially though (assuming tiers are still a thing in future mercs), since i kinda hate the thought that buying him down allows literal insta wins against some comps early game when people don't have lowbies with other options beyond melee. This is only a fear super early game though i would think

I would accept this (with the caveat that it should auto-replace with Resist Phys if so as a courtesy to the player), just as much as I could see 'release Joker later when it's assumed you can bring SOMEONE to fight him'

Then again I also think a joker with good customizations is a 5/week so it's like, would this truly be more broken than letting sora wild out in low without ability-smashing him

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fun fact about null phys btw

it's specifically vs melee attacks only, because P5 has Gun type once again

Which means you can just, y'know, bring a McGunner with a submachinegun and ventilate him that way in low tier unless he has a persona that is immune to Gun (of which there's like, exactly one that has natural gun immunity + phys immunity). Even more compelling arguments to believe he could have it without issues, since it distinguishes damage types

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Oh my god what a great ending

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hmm google tells me that bow skills are classified under Gun

does that mean all physical projectiles are Gun? if I throw a brick at someone, is that Gun? what if I throw a sword?
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I'm gonna go the other way and vote Samus. Whilst Joker has incredible flexibility, unfortunately, he is at a terrain disadvantage no matter what situation he's in. In a straight-up fight, Samus wins pretty easy. In a place with multiple ambush points - which I would assume would be Joker's preference - Samus has such a myriad of visors to find him with. Thermal, echo, dark - any form of concealment Joker has, Samus can counter it. Adding in the spazer for her to shoot through walls, I don't see any point where Joker could get an ambush. Even if Samus is unlucky and hits with one of Joker's resistances, the Annihilator Beam is as close to almighty damage as anything could get. Bad luck for Joker - put him against Doomguy or Chief and I take him pretty easily as being able to outwit and outpace them for a stretch.

I'd also argue Joker as a 4/week, but I'd also argue that Joker Vs Yu in a straight up fight is slightly in Yu's favor (actual showings against Labrys, Minazuki, and Culprit prop him up for me compared to Joker basically always being in team fights). Joker's better in a larger variety of terrains, though.

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Drakeryn posted...

does that mean all physical projectiles are Gun? if I throw a brick at someone, is that Gun? what if I throw a sword?

"Gun" is a simplified version of Persona 3's "Pierce". Originally it was split into three physical elements - Strike, Slash, and Pierce. So basically think "pointy thing ripping through you" as pierce versus "big explosion" being strike due to being more force-based.

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oh okay, I was actually googling smt damage types and confused that strike/slash/pierce didn't seem to be coming up

so is a spear a gun?
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Is a sword thrust a gun?

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Drakeryn posted...

so is a spear a gun?

Man I miss Mercs

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