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Garioshi 09/27/20 12:05:28 PM #1:	Don't get me wrong; MGS1's message of "you are not defined by your genes" (by which Kojima means the circumstances of your birth) is genuinely great, but Liquid ranting about how he got all the recessive genes from Big Boss is mathematically impossible and also doesn't make him inherently worse than Solid. Even more hilarious is the fact that Solid, who's revealed to have the recessive genes of Big Boss, somehow looks exactly like him, which begs the question of how Liquid's dominant genes exist at all if they're not expressed in Big Boss. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 <cite>Garioshi posted [p:945142081] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>Don't get me wrong; MGS1's message of "you are not defined by your genes" (by which Kojima means the circumstances of your birth) is genuinely great, but Liquid ranting about how he got all the recessive genes from Big Boss is mathematically impossible and also doesn't make him inherently worse than Solid. Even more hilarious is the fact that Solid, who's revealed to have the recessive genes of Big Boss, somehow looks exactly like him, which begs the question of how Liquid's dominant genes exist at all if they're not expressed in Big Boss. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/27/20 12:06:48 PM #2:	Metal Gear Solid is hilarious in how it misunderstands the Fulton recovery system --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:945142117] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>Metal Gear Solid is hilarious in how it misunderstands the Fulton recovery system</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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g0ldie 09/27/20 6:31:30 PM #5:	even though idk if it makes less sense, iirc, Liquid received Big Boss' recessive genes, but received the "Soldier Genes", and Solid received his dominant genes but no "Soldier Genes" --- https://imgur.com/ZQ9jsfL https://imgur.com/3vUvaBx <cite>g0ldie posted [p:945157150] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>even though idk if it makes less sense, iirc, Liquid received Big Boss' recessive genes, but received the "Soldier Genes", and Solid received his dominant genes but no "Soldier Genes" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 09/27/20 6:32:46 PM #6:	Nanomachines, son. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:945157201] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>Nanomachines, son. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 09/27/20 6:32:54 PM #7:	Meanwhile Ubisoft is like "Your genes have memories of your ancestors fighting minotaurs in ancient greece." --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:945157206] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile Ubisoft is like "Your genes have memories of your ancestors fighting minotaurs in ancient greece." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 09/27/20 6:33:37 PM #8:	Tyranthraxus posted... Meanwhile Ubisoft is like "Your genes have memories of your ancestors fighting minotaurs in ancient greece." Didn't they abandon the whole "your genes" thing after AC3 and now it's just whoever you want? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:945157232] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Meanwhile Ubisoft is like "Your genes have memories of your ancestors fighting minotaurs in ancient greece."</quote> Didn't they abandon the whole "your genes" thing after AC3 and now it's just whoever you want? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shotgunnova 09/27/20 6:35:53 PM #9:	UnfairRepresent posted... Metal Gear Solid is hilarious in how it misunderstands the Fulton recovery system Now you've gone too far. --- Take me down from the ridge where the summer ends And watch the city spread out just like a jet's flame <cite>Shotgunnova posted [p:945157313] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Metal Gear Solid is hilarious in how it misunderstands the Fulton recovery system</quote>Now you've gone too far. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivynn 09/27/20 6:38:16 PM #10:	>Making sense >Metal Gear Pick one --- https://imgur.com/vDci4hD <cite>Ivynn posted [p:945157424] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>>Making sense >Metal Gear Pick one </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sLaCkEr408___RJ 09/27/20 6:41:33 PM #11:	UnfairRepresent posted... Metal Gear Solid is hilarious in how it misunderstands the Fulton recovery system Every aince Portable Ops, I've wanted Super Smash Bros to utilize Fulton recovery for Snakes Up Special <cite>sLaCkEr408___RJ posted [p:945157555] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Metal Gear Solid is hilarious in how it misunderstands the Fulton recovery system</quote>Every aince Portable Ops, I've wanted Super Smash Bros to utilize Fulton recovery for Snakes Up Special </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BakonBitz 09/27/20 6:48:59 PM #13:	s0nicfan posted... Didn't they abandon the whole "your genes" thing after AC3 and now it's just whoever you want? My understanding is that Abstergo is taking volunteers who happened to have history linked to the Assassins instead of it just being one guy with a strong lineage. Though I haven't played Origins and Odyssey yet so I dunno what those games are doing. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:945157819] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote> Didn't they abandon the whole "your genes" thing after AC3 and now it's just whoever you want? </quote> My understanding is that Abstergo is taking volunteers who happened to have history linked to the Assassins instead of it just being one guy with a strong lineage. Though I haven't played Origins and Odyssey yet so I dunno what those games are doing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 09/27/20 6:54:16 PM #14:	Wow the crazy psychopath villain who is constantly wrong and misguided on a shit ton of things is wrong about genes. --- https://imgur.com/x04tPRZ https://imgur.com/t7T392I <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:945158039] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>Wow the crazy psychopath villain who is constantly wrong and misguided on a shit ton of things is wrong about genes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 09/27/20 6:57:54 PM #15:	it doesn't misunderstand anything. Its a fantasy game in a fantasy world lol. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:945158169] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>it doesn't misunderstand anything. Its a fantasy game in a fantasy world lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pfh1001 09/27/20 6:58:11 PM #16:	Ivynn posted... >Making sense >Metal Gear Pick one This /topic. <cite>pfh1001 posted [p:945158179] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>Ivynn posted...</cite> <quote>>Making sense >Metal Gear Pick one</quote> This /topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
obsolete 09/27/20 7:16:51 PM #17:	It was nanomachines <cite>obsolete posted [p:945158955] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>It was nanomachines </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Freddie_Mercury 09/27/20 7:17:17 PM #18:	that clone boy ain't right --- https://i.imgtc.com/eMQvkRJ.png https://i.imgtc.ws/l86HyIt.png <cite>Freddie_Mercury posted [p:945158975] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>that clone boy ain't right </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Ivory_Man 09/27/20 7:18:34 PM #20:	Garioshi posted... Even more hilarious is the fact that Solid, who's revealed to have the recessive genes of Big Boss, somehow looks exactly like him, which begs the question of how Liquid's dominant genes exist at all if they're not expressed in Big Boss. Liquid and Snake have the exact same character model except for hair. And is Liquid screeching wrongly about genes surprising? The genome soldiers in game are mentioned to be made by altering their dna to expressed genes they found in Big Boss that made for the perfect soldier. It's not just recessive genes>dominant genes, And also Liquid still does have receive expressed traits, not the dominant ones. He was just mistaken that they weren't the better ones. <cite>The_Ivory_Man posted [p:945159021] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>Garioshi posted... </cite> <quote>Even more hilarious is the fact that Solid, who's revealed to have the recessive genes of Big Boss, somehow looks exactly like him, which begs the question of how Liquid's dominant genes exist at all if they're not expressed in Big Boss.</quote> Liquid and Snake have the exact same character model except for hair. And is Liquid screeching wrongly about genes surprising? The genome soldiers in game are mentioned to be made by altering their dna to expressed genes they found in Big Boss that made for the perfect soldier. It's not just recessive genes>dominant genes, And also Liquid still does have receive expressed traits, not the dominant ones. He was just mistaken that they weren't the better ones. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2SweetforTurtle 09/27/20 7:33:44 PM #21:	s0nicfan posted... Didn't they abandon the whole "your genes" thing after AC3 and now it's just whoever you want? Not from my understanding. In 4 they established that Abstergo had taken DNA from a bunch of volunteers (and since theyre an evil megacorp its easy to believe that they targeted people based on their history). So every game since Syndicate (in 4 youre still playing Desmonds ancestor) has been playing through somebodys memories, and the DNA was damaged in Odyssey, allowing you to be either Male or Female. --- Slow and steady wins the race <cite>2SweetforTurtle posted [p:945159641] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>Didn't they abandon the whole "your genes" thing after AC3 and now it's just whoever you want?</quote> Not from my understanding. In 4 they established that Abstergo had taken DNA from a bunch of volunteers (and since theyre an evil megacorp its easy to believe that they targeted people based on their history). So every game since Syndicate (in 4 youre still playing Desmonds ancestor) has been playing through somebodys memories, and the DNA was damaged in Odyssey, allowing you to be either Male or Female. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Strider102 09/27/20 7:36:02 PM #22:	Nanomachines, son! --- Last Cloudia ID: 188850453 <cite>Strider102 posted [p:945159744] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>Nanomachines, son! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 09/27/20 7:46:23 PM #23:	2SweetforTurtle posted... Not from my understanding. In 4 they established that Abstergo had taken DNA from a bunch of volunteers (and since theyre an evil megacorp its easy to believe that they targeted people based on their history). So every game since Syndicate (in 4 youre still playing Desmonds ancestor) has been playing through somebodys memories, and the DNA was damaged in Odyssey, allowing you to be either Male or Female. Yea, that's more or less what I meant. You're no longer playing through your own ancestor's memories and it's just whatever blood is loaded into the machine, which functionally can be anyone. So there's no longer necessarily a personal connection between the future and past characters. Did they also abandon the whole "you pick up skills from the lives you're reliving" thing like how Desmond started to gain assassin abilities just by reliving his ancestor's memories? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:945160229] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>2SweetforTurtle posted... </cite> <quote>Not from my understanding. In 4 they established that Abstergo had taken DNA from a bunch of volunteers (and since theyre an evil megacorp its easy to believe that they targeted people based on their history). So every game since Syndicate (in 4 youre still playing Desmonds ancestor) has been playing through somebodys memories, and the DNA was damaged in Odyssey, allowing you to be either Male or Female.</quote> Yea, that's more or less what I meant. You're no longer playing through your own ancestor's memories and it's just whatever blood is loaded into the machine, which functionally can be anyone. So there's no longer necessarily a personal connection between the future and past characters. Did they also abandon the whole "you pick up skills from the lives you're reliving" thing like how Desmond started to gain assassin abilities just by reliving his ancestor's memories? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Error1355 09/27/20 7:48:40 PM #24:	ArianaGrandSlam posted... The canon reason is that Liquid himself is misinformed Yeah, he was told wrong information on purpose IIRC. --- Welcome home, shed your skin and expose your bones. Take my hand, follow us into the black so far that we can't get back. <cite>Error1355 posted [p:945160338] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>ArianaGrandSlam posted... </cite> <quote>The canon reason is that Liquid himself is misinformed</quote>Yeah, he was told wrong information on purpose IIRC. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sLaCkEr408___RJ 09/27/20 7:54:48 PM #25:	Error1355 posted... Yeah, he was told wrong information on purpose IIRC. https://youtu.be/INhp79_9nwI?t=62 <cite>sLaCkEr408___RJ posted [p:945160594] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>Error1355 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, he was told wrong information on purpose IIRC.</quote>https://youtu.be/INhp79_9nwI?t=62 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Obstacle2 09/27/20 7:55:22 PM #26:	It's a video game. Who gives a shit --- fka cmc/blaze \| #swag crew we're half awake in a fake empire <cite>Obstacle2 posted [p:945160614] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>It's a video game. Who gives a shit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ving_Rhames 09/27/20 7:58:10 PM #27:	Metal Gear Solid didn't misunderstand genetics, Liquid Snake canonically didn't know wtf he was talking about. --- the real Irving Rameses https://imgur.com/A7f6F9h <cite>Ving_Rhames posted [p:945160734] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>Metal Gear Solid didn't misunderstand genetics, Liquid Snake canonically didn't know wtf he was talking about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g0ldie 09/27/20 8:01:10 PM #28:	btw, I always thought the whole "Soldier Genes" thing was weird; like, by the end of MGS3, ~~Ocelot was basically Naked Snake's equal, and his progression against Naked Snake mirrored Naked Snake's progression against The Boss~~ but at least MGS4 answered that question, where it was revealed ~~that due to propaganda, Big Boss was seen as this deific figure, and cloning him was as much a political gesture as it was practical means to have perfect soldiers~~ --- https://imgur.com/ZQ9jsfL https://imgur.com/3vUvaBx <cite>g0ldie posted [p:945160894] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>btw, I always thought the whole "Soldier Genes" thing was weird; like, by the end of MGS3, Ocelot was basically Naked Snake's equal, and his progression against Naked Snake mirrored Naked Snake's progression against The Boss but at least MGS4 answered that question, where it was revealed that due to propaganda, Big Boss was seen as this deific figure, and cloning him was as much a political gesture as it was practical means to have perfect soldiers </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2SweetforTurtle 09/27/20 8:02:25 PM #29:	s0nicfan posted... Yea, that's more or less what I meant. You're no longer playing through your own ancestor's memories and it's just whatever blood is loaded into the machine, which functionally can be anyone. So there's no longer necessarily a personal connection between the future and past characters. Did they also abandon the whole "you pick up skills from the lives you're reliving" thing like how Desmond started to gain assassin abilities just by reliving his ancestor's memories? Im not sure about that one. I dont remember that being much of a plot point in AC4-Syndicate since those were video game style simulations the player was experiencing. I havent played Origins and I dont recall Layla having any Assassin skills in what Ive played of Odyssey either. --- Slow and steady wins the race <cite>2SweetforTurtle posted [p:945160942] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>Yea, that's more or less what I meant. You're no longer playing through your own ancestor's memories and it's just whatever blood is loaded into the machine, which functionally can be anyone. So there's no longer necessarily a personal connection between the future and past characters. Did they also abandon the whole "you pick up skills from the lives you're reliving" thing like how Desmond started to gain assassin abilities just by reliving his ancestor's memories?</quote> Im not sure about that one. I dont remember that being much of a plot point in AC4-Syndicate since those were video game style simulations the player was experiencing. I havent played Origins and I dont recall Layla having any Assassin skills in what Ive played of Odyssey either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 09/27/20 8:25:24 PM #30:	In case nobody said it already: (Heavy MGS1 spoilers) ~~Solid and Liquid are clones created by an advanced genetic experiment. They hand-selected the genes that went to each person. That's what made them special; they were amped up clones of Big Boss.~~ Also...Liquid got the recessive traits but was the "better" clone, in terms of the traits the cloners wanted to emphasize. His handlers always told him that he was the reject, the inferior clone, the refuse from the superior Solid Snake. ~~This was a lie. They wanted Liquid to feel inferior so that he would fight harder to make up for his perceived deficiencies.~~ --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:945161855] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>In case nobody said it already: (Heavy MGS1 spoilers) Solid and Liquid are clones created by an advanced genetic experiment. They hand-selected the genes that went to each person. That's what made them special; they were amped up clones of Big Boss. Also...Liquid got the recessive traits but was the "better" clone, in terms of the traits the cloners wanted to emphasize. His handlers always told him that he was the reject, the inferior clone, the refuse from the superior Solid Snake. This was a lie. They wanted Liquid to feel inferior so that he would fight harder to make up for his perceived deficiencies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 09/27/20 8:52:11 PM #31:	mobilebloechel posted... Yeah Metal Gear doesnt make sense about ANYTHING I dont know why this idea is so common The MGS story isn't really all that complicated It's not even as bad as Drakengard/Nier tbh --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:945162877] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>mobilebloechel posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah Metal Gear doesnt make sense about ANYTHING</quote>I dont know why this idea is so common The MGS story isn't really all that complicated It's not even as bad as Drakengard/Nier tbh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 09/27/20 8:54:59 PM #32:	Garioshi posted... Liquid ranting about how he got all the recessive genes from Big Boss is mathematically impossible You understand that Liquid, Solid, and Solidus (you can really tell they ran out of ideas here) were part of a program testing genetics, yes? Solid and Liquid were genetically manipulated to be the way they are, Solidus was a control, math had nothing to do with it. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:945162991] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>Garioshi posted... </cite> <quote>Liquid ranting about how he got all the recessive genes from Big Boss is mathematically impossible</quote>You understand that Liquid, Solid, and Solidus (you can really tell they ran out of ideas here) were part of a program testing genetics, yes? Solid and Liquid were genetically manipulated to be the way they are, Solidus was a control, math had nothing to do with it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Ivory_Man 09/27/20 9:14:43 PM #33:	Crazyman93 posted... You understand that Liquid, Solid, and Solidus (you can really tell they ran out of ideas here) were part of a program testing genetics, yes? Solid and Liquid were genetically manipulated to be the way they are, Solidus was a control, math had nothing to do with it. I've never understood the problem with Solidius. Solid is genetically weaker than Big Boss Liquid is genetically stronger. So a perfect clone of Big Boss is referred to as chemistry term for the state of matter between the two. Like if you don't think Solid or Liquid is stupid, I don't get why Solidius is seen as stupid. <cite>The_Ivory_Man posted [p:945163735] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>Crazyman93 posted... </cite> <quote>You understand that Liquid, Solid, and Solidus (you can really tell they ran out of ideas here) were part of a program testing genetics, yes? Solid and Liquid were genetically manipulated to be the way they are, Solidus was a control, math had nothing to do with it.</quote> I've never understood the problem with Solidius. Solid is genetically weaker than Big Boss Liquid is genetically stronger. So a perfect clone of Big Boss is referred to as chemistry term for the state of matter between the two. Like if you don't think Solid or Liquid is stupid, I don't get why Solidius is seen as stupid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 09/27/20 9:16:15 PM #34:	The_Ivory_Man posted... I've never understood the problem with Solidius. Solid is genetically weaker than Big Boss Liquid is genetically stronger. So a perfect clone of Big Boss is referred to as chemistry term for the state of matter between the two. Like if you don't think Solid or Liquid is stupid, I don't get why Solidius is seen as stupid. The name is stupid. Should have been Soliquid Snake. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:945163804] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>The_Ivory_Man posted... </cite> <quote>I've never understood the problem with Solidius. Solid is genetically weaker than Big Boss Liquid is genetically stronger. So a perfect clone of Big Boss is referred to as chemistry term for the state of matter between the two. Like if you don't think Solid or Liquid is stupid, I don't get why Solidius is seen as stupid.</quote>The name is stupid. Should have been Soliquid Snake. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 09/27/20 11:03:34 PM #35:	The_Ivory_Man posted... Like if you don't think Solid or Liquid is stupid, I don't get why Solidius is seen as stupid. I literally just meant the name. I mean, I guess "Gas Snake" is dumb sounding too, but it's less like "Solid". --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:945167957] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>The_Ivory_Man posted... </cite> <quote>Like if you don't think Solid or Liquid is stupid, I don't get why Solidius is seen as stupid.</quote>I literally just meant the name. I mean, I guess "Gas Snake" is dumb sounding too, but it's less like "Solid". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I Like Toast 09/27/20 11:07:21 PM #36:	> fictional video game >THIS ISN'T REALLIFE!!! you could list more things that are "wrong" then you could that are right. Stop making yourself miserable. --- If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all https://mikelikesthis.net the blog no one asked for is back <cite>I Like Toast posted [p:945168067] in Metal Gear... [t:79002791]...</cite> <quote>> fictional video game >THIS ISN'T REALLIFE!!! you could list more things that are "wrong" then you could that are right. Stop making yourself miserable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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