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blu 09/30/20 8:04:51 AM #1: |
This needed its own topic.
Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence or the number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha, and as weve seen in Portland? moderator Chris Wallace asked Trump. I would say almost everything I see is from the left-wing, not from the right, Trump responded. Im willing to do anything. I want to see peace. Then do it, sir, Wallace urged Trump before his Democratic challenger, Joe Biden, chimed in. Do it, do it. Say it, said Biden. Trump shot back: You want to call them. What do you want to call them? Give me a name. Biden said, Proud Boys, referring to a right-wing group. Proud Boys. Stand back and stand by, responded Trump. But Ill tell you what, somebodys got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not [a] right-wing problem . This is a left-wing problem. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Clench281 09/30/20 8:32:29 AM #2: |
The FBI, DHS, and a myriad of research groups have all concluded the same thing, and have called attention to the rise and prevalence of right-wing terrorism for decades. It isn't even up for debate.
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adjl 09/30/20 8:43:45 AM #3: |
Unsurprising. Condemning them would cost him their votes. Not condemning them is really only likely to bother people who weren't going to vote for him anyway. Like most things Trump does, it's a pretty simple self-serving calculation.
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kind9 09/30/20 9:21:16 AM #4: |
Trump has tweeted white nationalist propaganda, so not big surprise here.
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captpackrat 09/30/20 9:40:35 AM #5: |
All he had to do was say "I strongly condem all hate groups", then later on he could back pedal and say he just meant the left. But I guess his 4D chess game was a little off yesterday
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keyblader1985 09/30/20 9:58:52 AM #6: |
captpackrat posted...
All he had to do was say "I strongly condem all hate groups", then later on he could back pedal and say he just meant the left. But I guess his 4D chess game was a little off yesterdayWould have been a softball question for literally anybody else. --- Official King of PotD You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 09/30/20 10:19:21 AM #7: |
There isn't very many people who still like him, white supremacists are one of those groups who love him.
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Fierce_Deity_08 09/30/20 10:26:23 AM #8: |
And this is the ONLY thing that leftests can talk about this morning. Not Biden dodging questions or an obviously biased mediator.
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kind9 09/30/20 10:29:20 AM #9: |
The mediator gave softball questions and didn't mediate for shit. Why is it a "leftist" thing to you? Trump is just garbage.
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BlackScythe0 09/30/20 10:44:46 AM #10: |
Fierce_Deity_08 posted...
And this is the ONLY thing that leftests can talk about this morning. Not Biden dodging questions or an obviously biased mediator. Because it's fucking important. He gets a softball question and is completely unwilling to make a statement most people would be gladly willing to make. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheWorstPoster 09/30/20 11:26:03 AM #11: |
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Conner4REAL 09/30/20 11:40:35 AM #12: |
From trumps perspective how could he condemn Them if he wants to win the election?
at play in this debate is the small number (estimates at 4-10% of voters who have not decided who to vote for and are toss ups. By condemning them trump would effectively Be alienating the majority of his base (not just directly the white Supremaciats and the right wingers of his base who might not be officially a part of one of those groups but so support them and condone snd praise trump for doing so) AND its making him likely to lose more votes than are in play w these debates for any candidate to win. granted any such right wing votes lost will not be gained by biden but they will likely abstain from voting if they feel biden is even somewhat more center left than left wing. i still find the whole process wrigged against third party candidates who only get a seat at the debate table if a committee made up of democrats and republicans say they do. --- "I pet my dog I don't eat it" ~ Lemone ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kind9 09/30/20 11:49:27 AM #13: |
TheWorstPoster posted...
Some White Supremacist he is Not even gonna watch a video from 21 years ago. I've seen his racist tweets and the way he waffles when questioned about white supremacists. He regularly gives them nods. This sort of shit is why he is so divisive and needs to go. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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InfestedAdam 09/30/20 11:52:45 AM #14: |
adjl posted...
Condemning them would cost him their votes.Who else would they vote for though? Third party/write-in or completely skip on voting? --- "You must gather your party before venturing forth" "Go for the eyes Boo! Go for the eyes!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 09/30/20 11:57:32 AM #15: |
InfestedAdam posted...
Who else would they vote for though? Third party/write-in or completely skip on voting? They are his most fired up base, they came out for him in a year when no other group was excited (16) he really does need them because without them he has nothing. So yea it's not fear they will vote for someone else, there is no other racist candidate, but fear he will lower enthusiasm. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheWorstPoster 09/30/20 12:16:43 PM #16: |
kind9 posted...
Not even gonna watch a video from 21 years ago. I've seen his racist tweets and the way he waffles when questioned about white supremacists. He regularly gives them nods. This sort of shit is why he is so divisive and needs to go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7MTszBtJ70 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blightzkrieg 09/30/20 12:19:58 PM #17: |
No president has more strongly condemned white nationalism than Trump, except maybe Lincoln (which might have been a mistake on his part).
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FatalAccident 09/30/20 12:24:08 PM #18: |
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captainjeff87 09/30/20 12:35:37 PM #19: |
Except he did but you couldn't hear it with the mod interrupting every damn time he spoke
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Mead 09/30/20 12:48:52 PM #20: |
captainjeff87 posted...
Except he did but you couldn't hear it with the mod interrupting every damn time he spoke trump supporters seriously live in backwardsland --- The Betrayer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 09/30/20 12:55:40 PM #21: |
captainjeff87 posted...
Except he did but you couldn't hear it with the mod interrupting every damn time he spokeLOL is this the made up story they're gonna go with? He repeatedly trying to talk about "leftists" at no point did he approach condemning his most die hard supporters. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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captainjeff87 09/30/20 1:17:09 PM #22: |
BlackScythe0 posted...
LOL is this the made up story they're gonna go with?You say Trump supporters are going with the "made up story" but yet your going by what the media spoon-feeds you. Ironic. He did condemn them yet Biden called the animals burning down cities and preying on innocent civilians/cops "peaceful." --- PSN: CaptainJeff87 (please say Gfaqs in friend request msg) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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keyblader1985 09/30/20 1:27:09 PM #23: |
captainjeff87 posted...
He did condemn them yet Biden called the animals burning down cities and preying on innocent civilians/cops "peaceful."So we're just making shit up now? --- Official King of PotD You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fastest_Spartan 09/30/20 1:27:54 PM #24: |
captainjeff87 posted...
He did condemn them yet Biden called the animals burning down cities and preying on innocent civilians/cops "peaceful."No he didnt. There is a difference between peaceful protestors (the ones who just hold up signs and chant, committing no violence) and rioters (the ones actually causing trouble). Biden has condemned the rioters last night and has even done so before while supporting the peaceful protestors. Trump has lumped them together as one and the same. --- Nope... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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papercup 09/30/20 2:07:48 PM #25: |
keyblader1985 posted...
So we're just making shit up now? Making shit up is all Trump cultists can do because it's all they have. --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlockWatcher 09/30/20 2:18:18 PM #26: |
WALLACE: You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out antifa and other left-wing extremist groups. But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? Are you prepared to specifically do that? So the Proud Boys are white supremacists now? --- 1 John 2: 15-17 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 09/30/20 2:36:43 PM #27: |
He repeatedly condemned white supremacists in the past, which makes this repeated talking point silly. And out of all the things to focus on from last night, it's the silliest. Also silly is the idea that there's enough of them do anything, which makes the suggestion that he's pandering to the group or that it has any impact stupid.
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Mead 09/30/20 2:50:11 PM #28: |
BlockWatcher posted...
So the Proud Boys are white supremacists now? they totally are, they never shut up about the white genocide --- The Betrayer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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superXY 09/30/20 3:16:19 PM #29: |
Why does nobody mention that Biden shrugged off Antifa as "an idea not a group" which is an obvious lie? Ideas don't assault people or try to set federal property on fire.
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FatalAccident 09/30/20 3:16:49 PM #30: |
Zeus posted...
I have notifications turned off, so that's not going to work for you, little buddy.:( --- *walks away* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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papercup 09/30/20 3:19:29 PM #31: |
superXY posted...
Why does nobody mention that Biden shrugged off Antifa as "an idea not a group" which is an obvious lie? Ideas don't assault people or try to set federal property on fire. Do you seriously not know what an idea is? --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheWitchMorgana 09/30/20 3:23:38 PM #32: |
superXY posted...
Why does nobody mention that Biden shrugged off Antifa as "an idea not a group" which is an obvious lie? Ideas don't assault people or try to set federal property on fire. pretty obvious he meant it's not a group with any kind of official membership or organizational structure, which is true --- and love comes back around again, it's a carousel, my friend ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alpha218 09/30/20 3:47:09 PM #33: |
BlockWatcher posted...
So the Proud Boys are white supremacists now?Yes --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://discord.gg/Wgtz2y9 - Come join us for Among Us ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blightzkrieg 09/30/20 3:58:38 PM #34: |
BlockWatcher posted...
So the Proud Boys are white supremacists now?Congrats, this is the dumbest take yet --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Yellow 09/30/20 4:16:34 PM #35: |
blu posted...
Proud Boys. Stand back and stand byHuh, that makes sense in one light and not any other --- why am I even here ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Phantom_Nook 09/30/20 5:18:25 PM #36: |
Fierce_Deity_08 posted...
And this is the ONLY thing that leftests can talk about this morning. Not Biden dodging questions or an obviously biased mediator.boo hoo, your cult leader fucked up hard and people are talking about it. --- Not posted with GameRaven 3.5.2 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blightzkrieg 09/30/20 5:26:53 PM #37: |
Trump literally lied in his answer to almost every question and chuds are mad that Biden didn't say whether he'd expand the court or not.
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CyborgSage00x0 09/30/20 5:37:49 PM #38: |
adjl posted...
Unsurprising. Condemning them would cost him their votes.Unlikely. Trump is the closest thing to having a Klan member in the WH, so them voting for Biden or staying home isn't really a possibility. Plus, most people with a functioning brain understand that it was a complete layup question...which is all the more remarkable and telling that Trump is both too stupid and too racist to take the free W. --- PotD's resident Film Expert. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YahooPoster 09/30/20 5:49:43 PM #39: |
He probably thought it was a trick question.
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Zareth 09/30/20 5:57:42 PM #40: |
superXY posted...
Why does nobody mention that Biden shrugged off Antifa as "an idea not a group" which is an obvious lie? Ideas don't assault people or try to set federal property on fire.People with ideas do though. --- It's okay, I have no idea who I am either. https://imgur.com/WOo6wcq ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 09/30/20 11:22:52 PM #41: |
captainjeff87 posted...
You say Trump supporters are going with the "made up story" but yet your going by what the media spoon-feeds you. Ironic. You're fucking lying, twice over here. I watched Trumps refusal to condemn them live. I've also got Biden running commercials on a loop on my TV with him condemning rioters and drawing a line between them and protesters. You refusing to acknowledge protesters and only acknowledge the rioters your issue and not reality. BlockWatcher posted... So the Proud Boys are white supremacists now? The proud boys absolutely are 100% white supremacists, that isn't a question why the fuck do you have a question mark? superXY posted... Why does nobody mention that Biden shrugged off Antifa as "an idea not a group" which is an obvious lie? Ideas don't assault people or try to set federal property on fire. Why does nobody mention something basically everyone on this board who isn't an alt righty has said at one point or another? Because making simple statements like that aren't worthy of any particular attention. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanded 10/01/20 1:00:58 AM #42: |
BlackScythe0 posted...
who isn't an alt rightywhat's alt righty --- Puss in Boots was a good movie and it deserves more recognition ... Copied to Clipboard!
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likehelly 10/01/20 2:24:12 AM #43: |
captainjeff87 posted...
You say Trump supporters are going with the "made up story" but yet your going by what the media spoon-feeds you. Ironic.we literally watched him live. there is no "made up story" on our part. we directly watched and heard him. you are the one going with the made up story media is trying to spoon feed you to make it seem like trump didn't say what he factually said. he didn't condemn them, he literally told them to stand fucking by. superXY posted... Why does nobody mention that Biden shrugged off Antifa as "an idea not a group" which is an obvious lie? Ideas don't assault people or try to set federal property on fire. because they are an idea and not a group. biden correctly labeled them. --- // / ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blightzkrieg 10/01/20 7:19:00 AM #44: |
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Galcian 10/01/20 8:07:55 AM #45: |
He did condemn them though, the media is biased and dishonest to skew their narrative
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1311335415467524096 Watch for yourself around ~0:20 mark: https://youtu.be/ugKBWaXfNZQ?t=20 He does condemn them and then it is reported he never did. He says "Sure" in agreement with condemning them --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kind9 10/01/20 8:14:36 AM #46: |
Trump condemning white supremacists: "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by."
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Galcian 10/01/20 8:36:38 AM #47: |
https://streamable.com/sr9o2s
Here he is over the years. Also he designated KKK as terrorist organization https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-plan-for-black-america --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheSlinja 10/01/20 9:09:38 AM #48: |
can you people saying he did condemn them say ANYTHING about the "stand by" comment or are yall too simple and it went over your heads
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kind9 10/01/20 9:12:20 AM #49: |
The issue for me is not even about whether Trump is a white supremacist. It's the constant hand waving to white supremacists while being the President of the United States. If he's doing this for political maneuvering then I'm not even sure if that's better or worse. I'll never understand how anybody seriously supports this guy, one of the most divisive presidents in US history. The same people who scratch their heads wondering what the fuck happened to the country.
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papercup 10/01/20 9:16:31 AM #50: |
Galcian showed us evidence of Trump asking white supremacists to commit acts of terrorism on Americans, while telling us he said the opposite. Do you actually think we're that stupid?
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