Current Events > ''There is no excuse for wishing death on someone you disagree with politically'

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Amazing how hypocrisy is like breathing for some people.

damn. at least most of the trump criticizes trump moments are years apart. this was barely up to wwe standards...

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Obliterated.
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Lmao get rekt

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I'm sure most people disagree with Kim Jong Un on more than just politics. Or, at least I'd hope so.
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I remain as baffled as the first time I saw this on reddit.

Trump is utter garbage, but wanting Kim dead is not political Or are we going to say wanting Hitler, Pol Pot or Stalin to have died is political? Trump is a wannabe dictator who has done many evils, but he looks like a saturday cartoon villain in comparison to Kim.

FFS, conservatives have plenty of hypocritical nonsense to call them out on already.

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tri sapphire posted...

I'm sure most people disagree with Kim Jong Un on more than just politics. Or, at least I'd hope so.

More than just politics; what's that mean?

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To me it seems like I mainly disagree with Kim jong un on politics. Doesn't he just watch basketball otherwise?

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i dont get it?
wishing death is wishing death....everyone is wrong

Funkydog posted...

I remain as baffled as the first time I saw this on reddit.

Trump is utter garbage, but wanting Kim dead is not political Or are we going to say wanting Hitler, Pol Pot or Stalin to have died is political? Trump is a wannabe dictator who has done many evils, but he looks like a saturday cartoon villain in comparison to Kim.

FFS, conservatives have plenty of hypocritical nonsense to call them out on already.

You're saying yourself that the difference here is in scale, so how is it different fundamentally? Like, I don't disagree that wanting Kim Jong Un dead can be a "non-political" thing, but I don't see how wanting Trump dead can't be the same.
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Balrog0 posted...

More than just politics; what's that mean?

It means they think Kim Jong Un isn't the leader of a country

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DeadBankerDream posted...

You're saying yourself that the difference here is in scale, so how is it different fundamentally? Like, I don't disagree that wanting Kim Jong Un dead can be a "non-political" thing, but I don't see how wanting Trump dead can't be the same.

I mean, personally I couldn't care less if someone wants a person who does the evils Trump does dead, but the statement made was just about a political opponent, even if obviously about Trump.

A political opponent isn't always an evil one, or someone doing significant harm to people, the environment, global power structures etc, and when you transcend simply having a difference of opinion and are someone enacting serious harm to numerous groups then you open yourself up to accountability of people thinking the world would be better off without you on it.

It's a very fine line to tread though, but in general we shouldn't want our political opponents dead. Those in the west like Trump and Thatcher (in the UK) have definitely transcended this with the amount of harm and indifference to those that make suffer they have caused so really rather expected significant amounts of people wish what they are on them.

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Post these things about Kim in NK and see what happens. Americans have no clue how free they are

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Crono99 posted...

Kim Jong Un is a brutal dictator who is continuing one of the most horrific humanitarian disasters in the world. I'd say it's a bit more than a political disagreement.

How? Your main disagreement with him is the political system he benefits from


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well trump has caused hundreds of thousands to die. I don't know if it's as direct but the correlation is pretty clear. it's not very different. this is politics. it's one of the dirtiest games out there and it is deceptive to act like decorum is anything but a cheap veneer.

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Crono99 posted...

Kim Jong Un is a brutal dictator who is continuing one of the most horrific humanitarian disasters in the world. I'd say it's a bit more than a political disagreement.

Not as much of a contradiction as it may seem tbh.

Can someone articulate what elevates the disagreement above the political?

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Balrog0 posted...

Can someone articulate what elevates the disagreement above the political?

Feels.
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Crono99 posted...

He's a murderer. That's not a political opinion.

Ok. So are you mad that he has executed other politicians that, I assume, you consider evil and therefore would be okay wishing death on, or are you upset about the conditions the general populace lives in?

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Trump's objective stupidity and ignorance is directly responsible for the deaths of over 200,000 Americans. Americans are entitled to say whatever they want about his useless ass.

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Balrog0 posted...

or are you upset about the conditions the general populace lives in?

[snicker]

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him being a brutal dictator is literally politics. it's a political issue

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Imagine comparing Trump to Kim.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretch_Armstrong

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I mean I'm just asking for clarity in the language over what you consider political

Like, okay, abortion. There are people who claim to think it's murder, seems easy to me to consider that a political issue but if you really think it's murder it would be weird not to be upset about it, maybe to the point of wishing death on people who perpetuate it

Obviously I don't think abortion is murder, I'm more pointing to that people use the term political as though it necessarily refers to a relatively narrow choice between two (partisan) candidates which seems deceptive to me. Though I don't think it's intentional. It's like how society codes us to think

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Or on the other side of that argument, all of the people who are worried about reproductive rights are now screwed because of politics

I mean idk how to resolve the tension when different people hold different, incompatible views very strongly but we have this weird idea that 'politics' is what we do and stuff like rights abuses is what other people do

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Balrog0 posted...

Or on the other side of that argument, all of the people who are worried about reproductive rights are now screwed because of politics

I mean idk how to resolve the tension when different people hold different, incompatible views very strongly but we have this weird idea that 'politics' is what we do and stuff like rights abuses is what other people do

historically it has generally been resolved via war

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yeah... that's why im an incrementalist, I at least want to run things well enough that I don't need to worry about that. truly a cowards ideology

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Balrog0 posted...

yeah... that's why im an incrementalist, I at least want to run things well enough that I don't need to worry about that. truly a cowards ideology

that has been the driving motivator of basically every liberal economic reform in history

"well, we don't want to wind up like the french monarchs"

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I'm confused by the question because I don't see a fundamental difference between a gang and the government. They're difference in their perceived legitimacy, but like I've personally suffered a lot because government agents busted my dad for a victimless drug crime and locked him up for years.

That sent our life spiraling and made life so difficult we were involved in gang activity just to survive. Do you think gangsters are just pure evil or something? Yeah, gangs are very political in lots of ways

But for example I can see why something like drug laws seem like some political issue that's off to the side to you. It's just that it doesn't matter to my lived experiences that 'whether or not drugs are allowed is itself a political issue'

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Crono99 posted...

Sending entire families to death camps and feeding your uncle to the dogs is different. There is no political opinion to agree or disagree with.

Is ICE not considered a political issue here? Was the Iraq War not a political issue? Politics can be brutal and horrifying, it doesnt make them not politics.

The U.S. has had its fair share of politicians that ran/run things like a criminal mob organization, and there were citizens that supported them and those that didnt.

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"stand by"

sorry, but that alone puts trump in the same category as whoever is in charge of NK.

the only difference is that trump can't get away with it(yet)

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Also, our government is responsible for lots of other terrible things, much worse than unjust incarceration (which is still bad)

I mean an entire generation of pakistani children fear open blue skies because of our drone strikes

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Are we really going to pretend that Trump DOESNT aspire to run a country in the exact same way Kim Jong Un does? The only difference between the two is that Trump is just getting started. Theyre still cut from the same cloth; We shouldnt have to play nice when the opposition is literally a vocal advocate of genocide.

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ApoorHollow posted...

Imagine comparing Trump to Kim.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretch_Armstrong

Trump has probably killed more people

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Lol are you really arguing that eugenics and antisemitism are political opinions and arent inherently bad unless you act on them

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The only reason Trump isnt as bad as Kim Jong Un is that the US government system doesnt allow him to. Could you imagine if Trump had as much power as Kim Jong Un? He wouldnt hesitate to execute those who criticize him and install himself as the King of the U.S. Because thats the kind of person Trump is.

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Crono99 posted...

What the nazis did were war crimes and crimes against humanity.

those are literally political positions

like are courts not political institutions? I feel like ppl are just disagreeing what politics means

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Crono99 posted...

I'll give you an example. After WWII the surviving Nazis were persecuted and convicted and many of them were executed.

Do you consider that this was a polticial persecution? Of course not. What the nazis did were war crimes and crimes against humanity.

You could argue that the ideas being eugenics and the Nazis' race theory are political opinions. But the actions that they took went way beyond and they became crimes against humanity.

Or take Saddam. Baath socialism is a political theory and you can agree or disagree with it. But poisoning an entire village is a crime.

It's not always clear where the line is, that's for sure. But wherever the line is, Kim and his family definitively crossed it.

Each of these scenarios described are things that Trump has essentially done himself.

Eugenics? See ICE, calls for law and order amidst BLM protests.

Poisoning an entire village? See his handling of Covid/pulling funding from schools, cities that refuse to fall in line.

The line has already been crossed years ago, its only the goalposts that keep being pushed back.

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Mod trying to insist on an excessively narrow definition of "politics" in order to defend a hypocrite. Nice

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