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Lyrica
10/08/20 7:33:25 PM
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After suffering through Mario 64, Mario Sunshine is leagues better. The controls are responsive and tighter, there's no fighting with the camera, movement is less clunky. This game rocks!
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RIPVyseCity
10/08/20 7:33:56 PM
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Rocks the way Cleveland rocks
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theiwantsong
10/08/20 7:34:40 PM
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Super Mario 64 followed Super Mario World so of course it was pretty revolutionary for its time. Sunshine wasn't. Galaxy 1 & 2, 3D World, and Odyssey are all better.
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Garioshi
10/08/20 7:34:52 PM
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Lyrica posted...
there's no fighting with the camera
are you sure about that

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WaterLink
10/08/20 7:35:54 PM
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I don't really understand it either. I mean the Blue Coins kinda suck to collect but if you're not going for full completion then they don't matter. The beach/hotel world does pretty much suck all around though but other than that I enjoyed all the worlds.

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Lyrica
10/08/20 7:36:47 PM
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theiwantsong posted...
Super Mario 64 followed Super Mario World so of course it was pretty revolutionary for its time. Sunshine wasn't. Galaxy 1 & 2, 3D World, and Odyssey are all better.
I loved Odyssey. I have yet to play the Galaxy games, but I'm playing through 3D all stars right now, and it's my first time playing all 3 games. I had such a hard time with 64, but Sunshine feels and looks so much better.
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dave_is_slick
10/08/20 7:38:49 PM
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Garioshi posted...
are you sure about that
Yes. There are some issues but it's not noteworthy.

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TheOtherMike
10/08/20 7:39:57 PM
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Because it's a pile of ass.
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Illuminoius
10/08/20 7:41:05 PM
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the missions are really boring and repetitive and the game is really short and pretty sloppy for a nintendo game
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EngineerGamer
10/08/20 7:48:53 PM
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platforming and level design felt like a step down from 64, game was rushed which explains blue coin shitfest (consider that it essentially replaced more planned levels and you see why it's an issue even if it's optional)
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Cleo_II
10/08/20 7:51:02 PM
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I cant stand the controls and I hate everything with FLUDD. I played it last, got a few shines and gave up on it. Just not fun gameplay to me.
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voldothegr8
10/08/20 7:51:12 PM
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theiwantsong posted...
Super Mario 64 followed Super Mario World so of course it was pretty revolutionary for its time. Sunshine wasn't. Galaxy 1 & 2, 3D World, and Odyssey are all better.

I used to rank SMG higher but after this collection I rank SMS one higher now.

SMO>SMG2>3DW>SM64>SMS>SMG>3DL
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Lairen
10/08/20 7:51:39 PM
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Even for a mario game, the story is hot garbage.

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weekoldhotdog
10/08/20 7:52:26 PM
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They used to say the SAME EXACT THING about Wind Waker, but I guess times have changed, huh?

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Garioshi
10/08/20 7:54:08 PM
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weekoldhotdog posted...
They used to say the SAME EXACT THING about Wind Waker, but I guess times have changed, huh?
Wind Waker is also an unfinished mountain of padding, even Aonuma freely admits this.

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Lairen
10/08/20 7:54:43 PM
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Im so hip im saying the game sucks before its hip, again, to say it sucks.

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One_Day_Remains
10/08/20 7:56:04 PM
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weekoldhotdog posted...
They used to say the SAME EXACT THING about Wind Waker, but I guess times have changed, huh?


No they didn't

Probably the biggest complaints about Wind Waker were its artstyle and monotonous sailing, but eventually people got over that and now it's commonly considered to be one of the best 3D Zeldas
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Tyranthraxus
10/08/20 7:56:14 PM
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Lairen posted...
Im so hip im saying the game sucks before its hip, again, to say it sucks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbF1g3k2mtw

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weekoldhotdog
10/08/20 7:58:26 PM
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One_Day_Remains posted...
No they didn't

Probably the biggest complaints about Wind Waker were its artstyle and monotonous sailing, but eventually people got over that and now it's commonly considered to be one of the best 3D Zeldas


Yes, they did. Go look at the Gamefaqs WW board dating back to the day the game released for reference. It was reviewed excellently by the critics and panned by the fans until it's re-release when everything magically became better.

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FrankJaegr
10/08/20 7:59:42 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
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Eyyy
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Lyrica
10/08/20 8:02:41 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
Mario's movement feels great and super fluid in 64.
No, no it doesn't. Movement is awful in that game. Sunshine feels more fluid imo, which is understandable since it's comes after 64.
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Tyranthraxus
10/08/20 8:35:22 PM
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weekoldhotdog posted...
Yes, they did. Go look at the Gamefaqs WW board dating back to the day the game released for reference. It was reviewed excellently by the critics and panned by the fans until it's re-release when everything magically became better.

It was panned by fans for an incredibly childish and petty reason. That Link was a young child and the graphics were "kiddy"

The whole fanbase seemed to be expecting something more gritty like Twilight Princess. When they didn't get it, they raged. When Twilight Princess eventually did come out, we damn near had a meltdown because someone rated it 8.8

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weekoldhotdog
10/08/20 8:36:32 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
It was panned by fans for an incredibly childish and petty reason. That Link was a young child and the graphics were "kiddy"

The whole fanbase seemed to be expecting something more gritty like Twilight Princess. When they didn't get it, they raged. When Twilight Princess eventually did come out, we damn near had a meltdown because someone rated it 8.8

This is EXACTLY what I remember

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Lyrica
10/08/20 8:41:16 PM
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Question guys, can you long jump in Sunshine? Or crouch-backflip?
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Garioshi
10/08/20 8:41:42 PM
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Lyrica posted...
Question guys, can you long jump in Sunshine? Or crouch-backflip?
No

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Tyranthraxus
10/08/20 8:42:09 PM
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Lyrica posted...
Question guys, can you long jump in Sunshine? Or crouch-backflip?
The fludd replaces these mechanics.

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Lyrica
10/08/20 9:14:50 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The fludd replaces these mechanics.
Ew, okay yeah. That's definitely a downside.
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voldothegr8
10/08/20 9:20:37 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...

The fludd replaces these mechanics.

For the most part, except no FLUDD levels that feel weird without the long jump

Lyrica posted...

Ew, okay yeah. That's definitely a downside.

At least they made up for it with an awesome side somersault and spin jump
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Delirious_Beard
10/08/20 9:22:22 PM
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the spin jump is super sick tho

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Lyrica
10/08/20 9:27:06 PM
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Spin jump? Reveal this secret to me!
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voldothegr8
10/08/20 9:28:50 PM
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Spin the stick like Link's spinning attack and hit jump, squirt, or jump then squirt, to achieve different moves
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WalkingLobsters
10/08/20 9:29:09 PM
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mario sunshine is by far the best. He has the most dynamic and fluid move set on that 3d all stars pack.

mario galaxy mario moves way too fucking slow. You also can't do the somersault jump easily, he needs to have momentum to do it. Whereas in sunshine you can pull it off with a quarter second flick of the opposite direction. It's satisfying AF.

Can't forget the GOAT hub world, GOAT Music, GOAT atmosphere, GOAT charm, GOAT bosses

It's actually a challenging game as well. Galaxy is faceroll easy.

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Lyrica
10/08/20 9:38:26 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Spin the stick like Link's spinning attack and hit jump, squirt, or jump then squirt, to achieve different moves
Thank you! This is awesome, holy shit!
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Illuminoius
10/08/20 9:39:18 PM
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imagine thinking the game has good bosses
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voldothegr8
10/08/20 9:52:41 PM
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Lyrica posted...

Thank you! This is awesome, holy shit!

If you haven't figured it out yet you can also turbo slide by spraying the ground while running then slide button. It's like you have a portable slip and slide at all times.
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solosnake
10/09/20 12:25:49 AM
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I just got 120 stars in mario 64 and just started on sunshine for the first time since it came out nearly 20 years ago.

I have to say, Im only 7 shines in so far, but it does feel like a massive improvement over 64 imo as well. Having a lot of fun with it so far.

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Smashingpmkns
10/09/20 12:28:29 AM
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I think its great. Better than 64 easily.
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Frogles
10/09/20 12:30:17 AM
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the frame pacing in sunshine is awful and honestly makes it hard to look at. the game needed an upgrade to 60 badly but nintendo decided to be lazy assholes. also fuck blue coins.

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Delirious_Beard
10/09/20 12:50:29 AM
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Lyrica posted...
Spin jump? Reveal this secret to me!
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spin the control stick and then jump, you'll spin in the air and get more height as well as descend slower.

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solosnake
10/09/20 12:50:41 AM
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Frogles posted...
also f*** blue coins.
I dont like the blue coins, but I do find it interesting people love the abundance of moons in odyssey, but hate the blue coins. They are pretty similar really

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voldothegr8
10/09/20 12:52:59 AM
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solosnake posted...

I dont like the blue coins, but I do find it interesting people love the abundance of moons in odyssey, but hate the blue coins. They are pretty similar really

One can be tracked, one cannot
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Frogles
10/09/20 12:53:38 AM
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solosnake posted...
I dont like the blue coins, but I do find it interesting people love the abundance of moons in odyssey, but hate the blue coins. They are pretty similar really
one gigantic difference is that odyssey puts a mark on your map every time you find a moon. and you can also get hints from toad and the parrot to help with the more random ones.

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MorganTJ
10/09/20 1:01:29 AM
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Lyrica posted...
Question guys, can you long jump in Sunshine? Or crouch-backflip?
Long jump is sort of replaced with jumping after sliding. On its own it's worse than long jump, but if you slide on a slick surface (like wetting the floor with FLUDD) it's much faster than long jump. The drawback is you don't have much side-to-side control and you have to jump to cancel the animation, which might send you off a platform.

Side somersault's way better than backflip anyways, and Sunshine has the best one. You can backflip, but it doesn't have much vertical clearance so I'm not sure when you're supposed to use it.
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Garioshi
10/09/20 8:23:01 AM
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solosnake posted...
I dont like the blue coins, but I do find it interesting people love the abundance of moons in odyssey, but hate the blue coins. They are pretty similar really
I hate both because they're both worthless

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ledbowman
10/09/20 8:26:47 AM
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dude play galaxy. it slaps

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Sunhawk
10/09/20 8:38:49 AM
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I had Sunshine for at least six months before I really like it that much.

I got it when it first came out, and the first few hours were great fun, doing the early bits of Bianco Hills, but then it just seemed boring. I didn't like Serena Beach or Ricco Harbour much, and I didn't get very far. Then, a long time later, I opened up Pinna Park and the various other worlds, which made things a lot more fun, and made a serious effort with the blue coins, to say nothing of the three "secret" Shines in each world, and really enjoyed it. Excellent game. Really opens up nicely later on, and once you see how clever the exploration and platforming are, and see how just how challenging the whole affair is, you understand the quality of the game.

To be fair, it's definitely not on the same level as 64. Super Mario 64 had twice as many levels, a LOT more variety, and had less filler, but it's still excellent. I can't believe how many modern games who got the rerelease are turning up their noses at it. Except, I CAN believe it. Modern gamers and casual gamers.

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