Current Events > I think the Afro American community has to change with or w/o BLM

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Wether the cops keep killing us or we get the legislation that we need there are changes that need to happen.

1. A serious generational focus on the Nuclear Family as in 1 man and 1 woman raising children. As in not co parenting and the kids are meeting new stepdads and stepmoms every few weeks. The Afro American community in the US has had fathers ripped away from them since the beginning. Nowadays a lot of people have given up on the idea of the nuclear family although it puts a young boy or girl at an immediate disadvantage esp when the single parent is trying to teach the kid about love when they cant keep a man/woman. Theres also certain things that only a woman can teach and things only a man can teach. Its proven that kids from 2 parent homes do not get caught up in crime as often as kids in single parent homes. We desperately need a few generations of nuclear families in the AA community.
2. Presentation. By this I mean presentation of the community. Too long have fueds between black men been the main thing. Violence between black people is always encouraged and companies will pay to see/hear two angry black guys go at it. Be it Twitter or a record label beef is money. I think we need to normalize handling beef behind closed doors.

I support Biden/Harris. I think Trump and his supporters are the biggest bitches on earth. I think BLM is good but there are problems in the community that we are not addressing.

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Making sense is racist.

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These things are largely affected by the system though. Take presentation, for example, it's a matter of who's doing the presenting. There are many black people who place heavy importance on presentation, many who grew up being told to keep a good image and to not bring shame to the community. That's powerless against a media machine that ignores this and tries to present the worst. That media machine has far more reach than any individual or even large groups of people.

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That was easily one of the dumbest fucking posts I've ever read. At least you're voting for Biden.

DarthVader95 posted...

That was easily one of the dumbest fucking posts I've ever read. At least you're voting for Biden.

Literally had the opposite reaction. "That was a pretty good post. Oh, but he's supporting the same people who have been destroying that community for decades. Okay then."

None of those things will matter until the problems imposed on them by capitalism and the US government have been eliminated.

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DarthVader95 posted...

That was easily one of the dumbest fucking posts I've ever read.

Will you take that back now that youve read the post directly below yours?

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TheGoldenEel posted...

Will you take that back now that youve read the post directly below yours?

American patriot thinks america's great

I had only given an example for point #2, but point #1 would be greatly helped if we didn't have a racist criminal "justice" system that overwhelmingly targets and hassles minorities. Tough to keep the family together when folks are getting locked up for bullshit reasons (especially in regards to the war on drugs which is enforced differently depending on race and class). Another thing is employment. Employment, and ultimately money, is what provides stability. You need stability to provide that family life otherwise it gets exponentially harder.

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1337toothbrush posted...

I had only given an example for point #2, but point #1 would be greatly helped if we didn't have a racist criminal "justice" system that overwhelmingly targets and hassles minorities. Tough to keep the family together when folks are getting locked up for bullshit reasons (especially in regards to the war on drugs which is enforced differently depending on race and class). Another thing is employment. Employment, and ultimately money, is what provides stability. You need stability to provide that family life otherwise it gets exponentially harder.

No doubt but much like with reconstruction being free with no direction is how you get lost again. There are multiple generations that seem to hate the idea of simply a mother and a father working together. Obviously money is an issue but its much easier to have enough money with 2 parents.

Presentation in the media is important too because everyone sees it. Theres a segment of the AA community that believes they need to be exactly like a tv celeb and they need to handle problems like one


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You're not as clever as you think you are.

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JimmyFraska posted...

Literally had the opposite reaction. "That was a pretty good post. Oh, but he's supporting the same people who have been destroying that community for decades. Okay then."

You'd rather he vote for Trump/Pence?

Lost_All_Senses posted...

You're not as clever as you think you are.

Actually I think this is pretty basic shit but in my 30yrs i see the majority of my community actually fights against these ideas. Especially the idea of tbe nuclear family which would really fix most of the problems. I think we should focus on BLM and then immediatley start working on our communities. There is still a lot of work to do.


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DarthVader95 posted...

That was easily one of the dumbest fucking posts I've ever read. At least you're voting for Biden.

Wanna elaborate?


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Farty butts

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the nuclear family is fine and dandy in a healthy societal context, but the systemic erosion of the extended family was a disaster for social/cultural health in the long term - the nuclear family itself a product of industrial society's inclination towards social atomization

familial atomization without an extended familial context has contributed to today's cultural malaise, though of course there are also more direct economic factors

with that said, there is more than a bit of a conflict of interest between the agenda of the national blm leadership and the folks on the ground, so to speak

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TheMikh posted...

the nuclear family is fine and dandy in a healthy societal context, but the systemic erosion of the extended family was a disaster for social/cultural health in the long term - the nuclear family itself a product of industrial society's inclination towards social atomization

with that said, there is more than a bit of a conflict of interest between the agenda of the national blm leadership and the folks on the ground, so to speak

No doubt there is a disconnect but the community has to be ready to take over the next move of the movement


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Nasty_Nitro posted...

No doubt there is a disconnect but the community has to be ready to take over the next move of the movement

the next step should be dissociating from that movement's leadership and branding and focusing on more grassroots activism and building robust socioeconomic counterinstitutions

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TheMikh posted...

counterinstitutions

what's that?

Nasty_Nitro posted...

A serious generational focus on the Nuclear Family as in 1 man and 1 woman raising children. As in not co parenting and the kids are meeting new stepdads and stepmoms every few weeks. The Afro American community in the US has had fathers ripped away from them since the beginning. Nowadays a lot of people have given up on the idea of the nuclear family although it puts a young boy or girl at an immediate disadvantage esp when the single parent is trying to teach the kid about love when they cant keep a man/woman. Theres also certain things that only a woman can teach and things only a man can teach. Its proven that kids from 2 parent homes do not get caught up in crime as often as kids in single parent homes. We desperately need a few generations of nuclear families in the AA community.

Same sex couples have been proven to be successful for a childs upbringing. Also a huge reason at single parent households in the black community is the disproportionate amount of jail time black men do for small crimes.

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This dude is never gonna actually say anything of value. He just wants to point out stuff that has obvious cause and effect he won't elaborate on. And he won't actually offer any solutions or ideas, because that's not what he's here for.

Like I said, he's not clever.

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It is difficult for the black community to maintain a nuclear family when we've had the massive culture shift due to the war on drugs. Police just patrol low-income neighborhoods looking for any reason to stop someone, find them guilty for something, and write them a ticket. Many of these tickets, unfortunately, permanently ruin someone's life.

We're talking about people being put into prison for Marijuana, ya know, the plant. And for the most part, it's only black people that get the harshest punishments because of their skin color.

It's irresponsible to tell black people to stay out of trouble when so many of them just happened to be caught with a little bit of weed and sentenced to prison. Then when they get out of prison they can't get a good job anywhere, training, or go to school. They're a felon at that point. So they go back to doing the shit that got them in trouble the first place.

Do black people need to change as a community? Sure, maybe a little, but they will continue to suffer gross abuse of legal power until the source of their punishment is stifled.

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Perascamin posted...

We're talking about people being put into prison for Marijuana, ya know, the plant. And for the most part, it's only black people that get the harshest punishments because of their skin color.

Or just, you know, legalize drugs.

Questionmarktarius posted...

what's that?

best thought of as voluntary alternatives to state institutions/mechanisms towards the end goal of rendering state institutions obsolete or at least unnecessary within some scope of society or another

arguably encompasses anything from the bpp's social programs in the 1960s (providing homegrown security in communities abused by police, feeding/instructing students), to mutual credit and alternative currency systems, to blockchain ecosystems (likely invented in response to the shortcomings and corruption of the federal and international financial matrices)

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Or just, you know, legalize drugs.

I hope you did not take any part of my post as being opposed to the legalization of Marijuana

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Perascamin posted...

I hope you did not take any part of my post as being opposed to the legalization of Marijuana

We can worry about disproportionate penalties forever, but it's much simpler to question why some damn thing is even a crime at all.

I'm completely with you on that. Marijuana is a harmless plant that doesn't hurt anyone. The fact is that police today operate in an archaic capacity and primarily monitor low income areas for drugs and traffic/parking violations. Police Departments often turn a profit, and for a service that is paid for by local taxes, it is shocking that people are not more concerned with why this is the case

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DarthVader95 posted...

You'd rather he vote for Trump/Pence?

If point number 1 is his priority. Point number 2 won't change much between either of the options. The better 3rd option is to abstain. Not vote 3rd party. Just, not vote. America is a joke.

JimmyFraska posted...

If point number 1 is his priority. Point number 2 won't change much between either of the options. The better 3rd option is to abstain. Not vote 3rd party. Just, not vote. America is a joke.

If you don't vote or vote 3rd party, then you're voting for Trump.

DarthVader95 posted...

If you don't vote or vote 3rd party, then you're voting for Trump.

I have to fill in the bubble that says "Trump" to vote Trump. Now it is true that by not voting I'm not helping you. So if you need to blame me for your party losing, I understand. It doesn't make sense, it isn't true, but I get where the feeling comes from and I'm here if you need that.

JimmyFraska posted...

The better 3rd option is to abstain. Not vote 3rd party. Just, not vote. America is a joke.

Yes, and by not voting, you're actively turning it even more into a joke.

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