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DarkRoast 10/21/20 1:54:43 AM #1:	...is one of the cleverest ways to justify a launch console purchase despite having a paltry launch lineup. Really surprised MS went so hard with backwards compatibility, but the results I've seen on YouTube are amazing. Games like DOA, which ran at around 40 ish fps at 4K, now lock at 60fps. Makes we want to go back and play my old library. --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7-9750H, 32 GB HyperX XMP RAM, 2 TB Samsung Evo Plus m.2 NVME SSD, RTX 2080 MQ <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:946103461] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>...is one of the cleverest ways to justify a launch console purchase despite having a paltry launch lineup. Really surprised MS went so hard with backwards compatibility, but the results I've seen on YouTube are amazing. Games like DOA, which ran at around 40 ish fps at 4K, now lock at 60fps. Makes we want to go back and play my old library. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfearurspecimn 10/21/20 1:57:47 AM #2:	Why couldn't anyone accomplish this with their consoles before? --- Wake up. You have to wake up. currently a preta (hungry ghost) <cite>nfearurspecimn posted [p:946103510] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>Why couldn't anyone accomplish this with their consoles before? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 10/21/20 1:59:04 AM #3:	nfearurspecimn posted... Why couldn't anyone accomplish this with their consoles before? This basically has never been a thing. Like for example yeah you get color with GameBoy games on GBC and GBA, but it doesn't fix slowdowns or anything like that. It takes effort and forward thinking. Sony and Nintendo would rather just resell the popular games to you again if they can't cram in old hardware in their new system. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:946103533] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>nfearurspecimn posted... </cite> <quote>Why couldn't anyone accomplish this with their consoles before? This basically has never been a thing. Like for example yeah you get color with GameBoy games on GBC and GBA, but it doesn't fix slowdowns or anything like that.</quote> It takes effort and forward thinking. Sony and Nintendo would rather just resell the popular games to you again if they can't cram in old hardware in their new system. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommunismFTW 10/21/20 1:59:19 AM #4:	nfearurspecimn posted... Why couldn't anyone accomplish this with their consoles before? This basically has never been a thing. Like for example yeah you get color with GameBoy games on GBC and GBA, but it doesn't fix slowdowns or anything like that. Architecture of the Xbox, more or less to sum it up being very "universal" and identical to x86 PC development. Sony has had four radically different dev kits / architecture designs that make backwards compatibility be more like emulation than anything else. Xbox is not the same case. --- Since only from below can one better see the heights. https://imgur.com/OhZgm <cite>CommunismFTW posted [p:946103537] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>nfearurspecimn posted... </cite> <quote>Why couldn't anyone accomplish this with their consoles before? This basically has never been a thing. Like for example yeah you get color with GameBoy games on GBC and GBA, but it doesn't fix slowdowns or anything like that.</quote> Architecture of the Xbox, more or less to sum it up being very "universal" and identical to x86 PC development. Sony has had four radically different dev kits / architecture designs that make backwards compatibility be more like emulation than anything else. Xbox is not the same case. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfearurspecimn 10/21/20 2:00:04 AM #5:	Ah okay those two responses make perfect sense and were along the lines I was thinking thank you. --- Wake up. You have to wake up. currently a preta (hungry ghost) <cite>nfearurspecimn posted [p:946103553] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>Ah okay those two responses make perfect sense and were along the lines I was thinking thank you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 10/21/20 2:01:28 AM #6:	nfearurspecimn posted... Why couldn't anyone accomplish this with their consoles before? CPU performance went up several orders of magnitude in consoles this generation. GPU power 2x-3x the One X / PS4 Pro. And going from 5400 RPM laptop hard drives to Gen 4 NVME SSDs. Basically everything is vastly faster. --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7-9750H, 32 GB HyperX XMP RAM, 2 TB Samsung Evo Plus m.2 NVME SSD, RTX 2080 MQ <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:946103582] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>nfearurspecimn posted... </cite> <quote>Why couldn't anyone accomplish this with their consoles before?</quote> CPU performance went up several orders of magnitude in consoles this generation. GPU power 2x-3x the One X / PS4 Pro. And going from 5400 RPM laptop hard drives to Gen 4 NVME SSDs. Basically everything is vastly faster. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 10/21/20 2:03:03 AM #7:	I don't have any Xbox One games tho. Will it play my ps4 games? Probably not. Piece of shit. --- Name checks out "Try to talk and they ain't listening, but they'll point it out when you get ignorant" - Dreezy <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:946103606] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>I don't have any Xbox One games tho. Will it play my ps4 games? Probably not. Piece of shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 10/21/20 2:20:40 AM #8:	DarkRoast posted... Even though PS5 also uses a similar architecture as Series X, it's weirdly proprietary with how it shunts power to the GPU and CPU depending on demand No, the power shunting has been in AMD products when it works with their own GPU's. AMD has that feature right now and call it "SmartShift" https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/smartshift The Dell G5 15" Laptops benefit from this feature. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:946103874] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted... </cite> <quote>Even though PS5 also uses a similar architecture as Series X, it's weirdly proprietary with how it shunts power to the GPU and CPU depending on demand</quote>No, the power shunting has been in AMD products when it works with their own GPU's. AMD has that feature right now and call it "SmartShift" https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/smartshift The Dell G5 15" Laptops benefit from this feature. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 10/21/20 2:33:30 AM #9:	PS5 games should benefit from similar performance gains from unpatched titles that use variable resolutions and framerates but; - Microsoft developed a lot of their games with variable resolutions and framerate modes knowing that future hardware will boost them more while Sony has generally stuck with solid resolutions or checkerboarding - Microsoft are willing to upgrade more first party titles for free than Sony - Microsoft are willing to upgrade some older titles themselves with HDR or doubling framerates So Xbox gets to take advantage of it more often. Luckily Sucker Punch is planning to patch the game to 60fps on PS5 so that should be neat. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:946104079] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>PS5 games should benefit from similar performance gains from unpatched titles that use variable resolutions and framerates but; - Microsoft developed a lot of their games with variable resolutions and framerate modes knowing that future hardware will boost them more while Sony has generally stuck with solid resolutions or checkerboarding - Microsoft are willing to upgrade more first party titles for free than Sony - Microsoft are willing to upgrade some older titles themselves with HDR or doubling framerates So Xbox gets to take advantage of it more often. Luckily Sucker Punch is planning to patch the game to 60fps on PS5 so that should be neat. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heavy_D_Forever 10/21/20 2:43:05 AM #10:	I don't think "here play all the games you've already played before" is really a good selling point lol --- E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES <cite>Heavy_D_Forever posted [p:946104225] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>I don't think "here play all the games you've already played before" is really a good selling point lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfearurspecimn 10/21/20 2:44:27 AM #11:	Heavy_D_Forever posted... I don't think "here play all the games you've already played before" is really a good selling point lol if that was true, no one would care about remasters --- Wake up. You have to wake up. currently a preta (hungry ghost) <cite>nfearurspecimn posted [p:946104247] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>Heavy_D_Forever posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think "here play all the games you've already played before" is really a good selling point lol</quote>if that was true, no one would care about remasters </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lord_Shadow 10/21/20 2:45:11 AM #12:	Lost_All_Senses posted... I don't have any Xbox One games tho. Will it play my ps4 games? Probably not. Piece of shit. Sounds like you invested In the wrong fucking console then --- GT My Lord Shadow "Your Grace, please, the people have surrendered..." "I didn't offer surrender." <cite>Lord_Shadow posted [p:946104261] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>Lost_All_Senses posted... </cite> <quote>I don't have any Xbox One games tho. Will it play my ps4 games? Probably not. Piece of shit.</quote>Sounds like you invested In the wrong fucking console then </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heavy_D_Forever 10/21/20 2:46:35 AM #13:	nfearurspecimn posted... if that was true, no one would care about remasters Remasters usually have substantial improvements though. Saying your games run at a slightly higher framerate isn't very significant for the majority of consumers. --- E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES <cite>Heavy_D_Forever posted [p:946104286] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>nfearurspecimn posted... </cite> <quote>if that was true, no one would care about remasters</quote>Remasters usually have substantial improvements though. Saying your games run at a slightly higher framerate isn't very significant for the majority of consumers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MabusIncarnate 10/21/20 2:49:20 AM #14:	Heavy_D_Forever posted... I don't think "here play all the games you've already played before" is really a good selling point lol Yeah, because no one at all has a backlog of games they bought on digital sale for a couple of dollars that they haven't played yet. No one at all builds up a backlog of games, they play every game to completion the second they buy it. --- Ten million dollars on a losing campaign, Twenty million starving and writhing in pain. =~=; Vicious_Dios Original - https://tinyurl.com/y9fpdoll <cite>MabusIncarnate posted [p:946104329] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>Heavy_D_Forever posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think "here play all the games you've already played before" is really a good selling point lol</quote>Yeah, because no one at all has a backlog of games they bought on digital sale for a couple of dollars that they haven't played yet. No one at all builds up a backlog of games, they play every game to completion the second they buy it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Rian 10/21/20 2:54:59 AM #15:	Heavy_D_Forever posted... Remasters usually have substantial improvements though. Saying your games run at a slightly higher framerate isn't very significant for the majority of consumers. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. And the Series X can take a 900p@30fps to 4k@60fps. That's more than a slightly higher bump. And HDR on some of those games to boot. And this is all for "free." So you can buy a game that you've never played before, or grab any game out of your backlog, and play it looking much better than ever. Remember, MS is in third place, so they are trying to entice people that have missed years of their exclusives as well. --- Holy crap! How have I not set a signature for the message boards yet? <cite>Mr_Rian posted [p:946104418] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>Heavy_D_Forever posted...</cite> <quote>Remasters usually have substantial improvements though. Saying your games run at a slightly higher framerate isn't very significant for the majority of consumers. </quote> Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. And the Series X can take a 900p@30fps to 4k@60fps. That's more than a slightly higher bump. And HDR on some of those games to boot. And this is all for "free." So you can buy a game that you've never played before, or grab any game out of your backlog, and play it looking much better than ever. Remember, MS is in third place, so they are trying to entice people that have missed years of their exclusives as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 10/21/20 4:23:50 AM #16:	Heavy_D_Forever posted... Remasters usually have substantial improvements though. Saying your games run at a slightly higher framerate isn't very significant for the majority of consumers. Most of them do not. Not anymore than what Microsoft do for free for their games. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:946105601] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>Heavy_D_Forever posted... </cite> <quote>Remasters usually have substantial improvements though. Saying your games run at a slightly higher framerate isn't very significant for the majority of consumers.</quote> Most of them do not. Not anymore than what Microsoft do for free for their games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 10/21/20 12:47:03 PM #17:	Heavy_D_Forever posted... I don't think "here play all the games you've already played before" is really a good selling point lol Clearly you don't game on PC --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7-9750H, 32 GB HyperX XMP RAM, 2 TB Samsung Evo Plus m.2 NVME SSD, RTX 2080 MQ <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:946116087] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>Heavy_D_Forever posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think "here play all the games you've already played before" is really a good selling point lol</quote> Clearly you don't game on PC </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 10/21/20 12:55:12 PM #18:	I never upgraded from a base Xbox One, so I'm thinking about being an early adopter this time because it will be a huge jump for me --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:946116405] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>I never upgraded from a base Xbox One, so I'm thinking about being an early adopter this time because it will be a huge jump for me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heavy_D_Forever 10/21/20 12:56:12 PM #19:	DarkRoast posted... Clearly you don't game on PC PC is where I play all the Xbox exclusives hahaha --- E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES <cite>Heavy_D_Forever posted [p:946116447] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted... </cite> <quote>Clearly you don't game on PC</quote>PC is where I play all the Xbox exclusives hahaha </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 10/21/20 12:57:10 PM #20:	Darmik posted... PS5 games should benefit from similar performance gains from unpatched titles that use variable resolutions and framerates but; Hopefully. The fact that Pro does jack shit (well, 2fps gains) with unsupported games leaves me skeptical. Have we seen PS5 improvements to BC games without a dedicated patch? --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:946116476] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>PS5 games should benefit from similar performance gains from unpatched titles that use variable resolutions and framerates but;</quote>Hopefully. The fact that Pro does jack shit (well, 2fps gains) with unsupported games leaves me skeptical. Have we seen PS5 improvements to BC games without a dedicated patch? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 10/21/20 2:48:11 PM #21:	Jabodie posted... Hopefully. The fact that Pro does jack shit (well, 2fps gains) with unsupported games leaves me skeptical. Have we seen PS5 improvements to BC games without a dedicated patch? The problem with PS4 Pro is that the GPU power was doubled but the CPU remained the same with a slight clockspeed boost. The reason that's a problem is that games across the board this generation tended to be CPU-limited at 1080p or lower. So unless a game was designed for PS4 Pro, it didn't really improve much. The PS5 and XSX both have vaaaaaaastly better CPUs than their predecessors, even as compared to their GPUs. --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7-9750H, 32 GB HyperX XMP RAM, 2 TB Samsung Evo Plus m.2 NVME SSD, RTX 2080 MQ <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:946120375] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>Jabodie posted... </cite> <quote>Hopefully. The fact that Pro does jack shit (well, 2fps gains) with unsupported games leaves me skeptical. Have we seen PS5 improvements to BC games without a dedicated patch?</quote> The problem with PS4 Pro is that the GPU power was doubled but the CPU remained the same with a slight clockspeed boost. The reason that's a problem is that games across the board this generation tended to be CPU-limited at 1080p or lower. So unless a game was designed for PS4 Pro, it didn't really improve much. The PS5 and XSX both have vaaaaaaastly better CPUs than their predecessors, even as compared to their GPUs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkprince45 10/21/20 2:49:31 PM #22:	As much as this board hates Xbox. Theyre really paving the way. Ps and N are following suit to almost a their decisions. Its also making ps step up their game --- https://imgur.com/NvktIWl <cite>darkprince45 posted [p:946120429] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>As much as this board hates Xbox. Theyre really paving the way. Ps and N are following suit to almost a their decisions. Its also making ps step up their game </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 10/21/20 2:52:03 PM #23:	darkprince45 posted... As much as this board hates Xbox. Theyre really paving the way. Ps and N are following suit to almost a their decisions. Its also making ps step up their game Sony does its best work when it's playing catch up. Same with Nintendo. Sony turned the PS3 around hard towards the end of that generation. --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7-9750H, 32 GB HyperX XMP RAM, 2 TB Samsung Evo Plus m.2 NVME SSD, RTX 2080 MQ <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:946120534] in The fact t... [t:79053236]...</cite> <quote>darkprince45 posted... </cite> <quote>As much as this board hates Xbox. Theyre really paving the way. Ps and N are following suit to almost a their decisions. Its also making ps step up their game</quote> Sony does its best work when it's playing catch up. Same with Nintendo. Sony turned the PS3 around hard towards the end of that generation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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