Current Events > Lawyer posting offering 45k

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I thought this was suppose to be a high earning career

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If you didnt go to an elite law school, thats a normal salary. Hope you live somewhere cheap.

ThePurrrfectMan posted...

If you didnt go to an elite law school, thats a normal salary. Hope you live somewhere cheap.

I didn't go to law school yet I'm just doing research

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Lawyers have very high ceilings on how much they can make, but the average isn't as high as people think.

Rathinor posted...

Lawyers have very high ceilings on how much they can make, but the average isn't as high as people think.

Even still I wouldn't mind a job making like 60k lol, still a lot to me. But 5 years for 60k isn't exactly worth it.

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Its over saturated. The myth that lawyers make a lot of money is no longer true for the majority. Youll end with terrible debt and low paying jobs that you wont be happy in. Law is a terrible field to go into now.

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

Even still I wouldn't mind a job making like 60k lol, still a lot to me. But 5 years for 60k isn't exactly worth it.

Making 60K when youre 200-300K in debt after wasting 3-5 years of earning potential with school is terrible.

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AdrianBeterson posted...

Its over saturated.

I hear this same thing about every job basically, what isn't?

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

I hear this same thing about every job basically, what isn't?

Medicine. IT. Journeymen electricians/plumbers.

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AdrianBeterson posted...

Medicine. IT. Journeymen electricians/plumbers.

i've heard oversaturation claims about all those jobs, on CE even

edit: not saying you're right or wrong about this, but yeah. and I know you're right about the lawyer thing either way.

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

i've heard oversaturation claims about all those jobs, on CE even

Then you havent been doing your research.

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AdrianBeterson posted...

Then you havent been doing your research.

I mean, I live in Toronto. there is a lot of competition for everything.

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

I mean, I live in Toronto. there is a lot of competition for everything.

Do your research.

Also, competition =/= over saturation.

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Thats not even a thousand a week

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I used to want to pursue law, so that's why I ended up majoring in philosophy in college.

but since I live in California, and I went to a state college, I figured out that it would have been a difficult journey (super competitive, very saturated, high debt, etc.), and I didn't even care about law, lol.

but now I'm working a boring desk job, so I'm kinda regretting not at least trying.

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

I hear this same thing about every job basically, what isn't?

Lawyers are the only profession where the more lawyers you have the more you need. Theyre fucking locusts.

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damn. i make way more than that and i have no degree

There's the options of government work and Plaintiff's law firms. You'll have to go to a good school and do really well or a prestigious school and do at least average to have a shot at one of them.

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

I hear this same thing about every job basically, what isn't?

Trades, Construction, Electrical Engineering, Petroleum Engineering, and Medical isn't saturated but it's kept that way by making it extremely hard to get into.

Petroleum is getting ready to burst in a bad way though. I would not recommend a career change to Petroleum Engineering right now.

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Depends where you live and what kind of job. In a small town, as an associate at a small firm, that's about normal. Or public service jobs like public defender, prosecutor, legal aid, etc, that'd be normal in many areas.
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g0ldie posted...

I used to want to pursue law, so that's why I ended up majoring in philosophy in college.

but since I live in California, and I went to a state college, I figured out that it would have been a difficult journey (super competitive, very saturated, high debt, etc.), and I didn't even care about law, lol.

but now I'm working a boring desk job, so I'm kinda regretting not at least trying.

your job sounds pretty cool but I don't know the day to day. I also do not care for law, it just seems like an available path. I guess I care about it as much as trades or healthcare.

divot1338 posted...

Lawyers are the only profession where the more lawyers you have the more you need. Theyre fucking locusts.

aha, ok ok

Poop2 posted...

damn. i make way more than that and i have no degree

cool, congrats

legendary_zell posted...

There's the options of government work and Plaintiff's law firms. You'll have to go to a good school and do really well or a prestigious school and do at least average to have a shot at one of them.

yeah. i guess it's dependent on a lot of things. I mean I would obviously go to a good school, I don't know how well I would do though.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Trades, Construction, Electrical Engineering, Petroleum Engineering, and Medical isn't saturated but it's kept that way by making it extremely hard to get into.

Petroleum is getting ready to burst in a bad way though. I would not recommend a career change to Petroleum Engineering right now.

what do you mean hard to get into?

lilORANG posted...

Depends where you live and what kind of job. In a small town, as an associate at a small firm, that's about normal. Or public service jobs like public defender, prosecutor, legal aid, etc, that'd be normal in many areas.

I don't mind not making a lot of money. It's still on my list of choices and I will still take the test anyway. >_>

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

what do you mean hard to get into?

There's limited residency after you get out of medical school.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

There's limited residency after you get out of medical school.

yeah, see, this is the kind of bullshit i have had it up to here with. IS THERE A SHORTAGE OR NOT, HOW MANY DOCTORS DO YOU WANT? WHY LIMIT THAT? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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everything has a base salary, and depending on how well you do is how much you can get. 45 is a fair salary for a starter salary. Not to mention that these salaries usually aren't the salary that the person will have after their "trial" period finishes.

Case in point, a computer hardware company near me only pays 13/h for the first 3 months before upping the pay significantly to 50-60k a year. They want to see who will stick around. It's a stupid ploy to get people for cheap.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

yeah, see, this is the kind of bullshit i have had it up to here with. IS THERE A SHORTAGE OR NOT, HOW MANY DOCTORS DO YOU WANT? WHY LIMIT THAT? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I have no idea. You'll have to ask the medical offices that license people for practice in the first place.

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Complicating things is the fact that I think people generally have two different definitions of "saturated" when they talk about a field.

For example, if you graduated with a computer science degree in the middle of the dot com boom you could be pretty much guaranteed a job anywhere. You can still pretty reliably get a well-paying job with that degree, but you can't expect to coast into a good job with mediocre grades anymore.

Some people consider the point at which you can't reliably get a career with a bad GPA when the market has become saturated. Others don't really consider it saturated until the pool of open job recs has shrunk to be less than the number of qualified candidates. Qualified being the key word.

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like all fields, you dont get a good position without extreme luck or some form of nepotism. hope you've got a lawyer in your family that can refer you to some friends.

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s0nicfan posted...

Complicating things is the fact that I think people generally have two different definitions of "saturated" when they talk about a field.

For example, if you graduated with a computer science degree in the middle of the dot com boom you could be pretty much guaranteed a job anywhere. You can still pretty reliably get a well-paying job with that degree, but you can't expect to coast into a good job with mediocre grades anymore.

Some people consider the point at which you can't reliably get a career with a bad GPA when the market has become saturated. Others don't really consider it saturated until the pool of open job recs has shrunk to be less than the number of qualified candidates. Qualified being the key word.

I mean this is why I am nervous about doing certain programs over others. I guess with trades it doesn't technically matter if you get low grades, while it would matter in a law interview. Ideally the best path is one where even some failure is permissible, since I am liable to that. I think standards for qualification are grossly unfair as it is...

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Actually 45k does make a lot more sense for a starting salary.

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

I hear this same thing about every job basically, what isn't?

Trucking. People are terrified of automated driving killing it so they won't go into it.

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Average starting here in Nebraska is 55-60 based on the stats from the bar association. Public interest things will get you lower, as well as starting up on your own (which is... questionable, if you're fresh out of school).

My current salary as a term judicial clerk is 54ish I think.

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There was a thread on somethingawful a number of years back about law school prospects. Here it is if you're interested: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3301274

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AdrianBeterson posted...

Do your research.

Also, competition =/= over saturation.

Shut up wussy. Stop getting triggered.

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i wish there were easy jobs that paid 45k entry

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Makeveli_lives posted...

Trucking. People are terrified of automated driving killing it so they won't go into it.

They should be.

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Makeveli_lives posted...

Trucking. People are terrified of automated driving killing it so they won't go into it.

Theres so many roadblocks to automation in the industry that theres no chance no of it happening within the next few decades.

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AzurexNightmare posted...

Shut up wussy. Stop getting triggered.

Did I say anything wrong in my post?

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Makeveli_lives posted...

Trucking. People are terrified of automated driving killing it so they won't go into it.

My cousins husband is a trucker, he said that the new automated logs basically ruined his career. It tells you when to sleep, when to drive, and when to eat. So, for example, if you aren't tired and think you could go another hundred miles to the next rest stop, the logs will send a message to your employer and they won't pay you for that hundred miles. He is literally sitting in his truck unable to do anything thanks to that. God forbid he goes into a busy city like Chicago and gets stuck in traffic.

With manual logs that he writes himself, he can drive until he's tired, pull into the nearest truck stop and move at his own pace. A weeks drive he can have done 4-5 days, as he can go through cities like Chicago during the night when there is less traffic.

I work in consumer financing and that alone put me off from wanting to go to law school lol

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

i wish there were easy jobs that paid 45k entry

I make 80k entry and don't do ****

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This year was a shit show for law graduates taking the bar.

My gf graduated and was supposed to take the CA bar in July. They bumped that back to October and did it completely online. The software they used was sketchy as hell. She'll find out in January if she passed when she was supposed to get her scores back by Thanksgiving.

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ThePurrrfectMan posted...

If you didnt go to an elite law school, thats a normal salary. Hope you live somewhere cheap.

You don't need to go to an ivy league law school to start a practice, which is where the money is

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

I make 80k entry and don't do ****

What is your job?

WingsOfGood posted...

What is your job?

glorified customer service rep

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

glorified customer service rep

Doubtful that makes 80k.

WingsOfGood posted...

Doubtful that makes 80k.

it's too little

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Pay him 46k and tell him hes a coward

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

I make 80k entry and don't do ****

don't you work for your family?

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