Current Events > Two people beheaded, multiple injured in a terrorist knife attack in France

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uwnim posted...

Anyways, back on topic, what the fuck is wrong with people? How fucked up in the head do they have to be to think attacking and killing people like this is okay?

Religious fanatics are raised that way.

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Gwynevere posted...

Individuals who carry out atrocities in the name of their religion are despicable, but the important word here is individual

Don'tlet your emotions dictate your feelings on an entire group of people

Eh idk about that. You can't entirely divorce an individual from.a group especially when did individual shouts out some form of allegiance to said group when committing an act of violence.

Like I don't want to go too far in condemning Islam, because as problematic as Islam is I do know of plenty of people who follow it purely as a tool for peace. I just don't think you can let Islam off the hook here though.

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hockeybub89 posted...

This is horrible. Fuck Islam and fuck religion

So is fearing white conservatives in America a rational fear then? You have to be consistent.

Saying white conservatives is a bit too broad of a brush, but I don't exactly think you're wrong either.

I'd recommend just focusing on the Proud Boys and KKK when making those types of arguments.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Saying white conservatives is a bit too broad of a brush, but I don't exactly think you're wrong either.

I'd recommend just focusing on the Proud Boys and KKK when making those types of arguments.

I was trying to pick a non-extreme group of people that have extremists. Saying white supremacy would have fucked up the comparison.

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TommyG663513 posted...

No one ever condones an attack like this, but they "understand" the frustration of the perpetrators and why many who are a part of Islam would take such great offense and how horrible it was that Mohammed was depicted in such a way. Then they mention the people who were killed like an after thought.

Im not sure what circles this is prevalent in, where do you see this?

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It was just a cartoon

BurmesePenguin posted...

Who defends Islamic culture pushing burqas or headscarfs on people?

Ive legitimately never heard this from anyone extrant from said culture.

I have defended Muslims rights to wear those things if they choose, even if I find it stupid. But I dont condone forcing people to do it.

Twin3Turbo posted...

I see people say this all the time yet I speak n how I feel about Islam all the time without being modded. Im doing it in this very topic.

Sames. Ive never been modded for the times Ive straight up posted Fuck Islam or pictures of Mohammed.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I was trying to pick a non-extreme group of people that have extremists. Saying white supremacy would have fucked up the comparison.

Then I would say that Christianity would be the better comparison. Even that isn't one to one. I'm.not going to pretend that a perfect comparison exists. I just think saying white conservatives seems a bit broad to me. Though yeah I don't exactly think you're wrong for saying white conservatives.

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An old woman was murdered for just praying at church, a man was murdered for trying to help, and an other woman was murdered for just being around. Seems like a crackdown for extremists is really necessary.

Why is it acceptable to condemn a whole religion or billions of people because of the actions of a few? I see people on reddit talking about harsh measures, another crusade, deportations of native born Europeans due to religion, intelligence groups shutting down mosques and enforcing laws that directly go against scripture, all because of the actions of a few people.

These murderous actions by terrorists cannot be justified in any way, shape, or form, but people are giddily going off the deep end and pushing "solutions" that destroy the values they claim to be protecting.

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King_Hutton posted...

Im not sure what circles this is prevalent in, where do you see this?

I heard this often at my college. Big Ten school and I was a psych major so definitely a very liberal bias in the student population I was often a part of. It was the first time I ever found my self feeling very off out by other liberal people.

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Twin3Turbo posted...

I see people say this all the time yet I speak n how I feel about Islam all the time without being modded. Im doing it in this very topic.

Welp, I guess I stand corrected on this one.

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Still glad they didn't have access to firearms.

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Captain_Qwark posted...

How do non radical muslims feel about drawings of Mohammed? Like do a considerable amount of them even care?

I'm curious about this. I've definitely known a lot of Muslims my age who were by no means strictly adhering to the religion and made no claim to truly be religious. They really only called themselves in a cultural context rather than a religious one. I really doubt they would care about a drawing of Mohammed and would condemn the violence.

They might deflect more to Proud Boys and stuff like that though to take some of the heat off. I've seen them do something similar in other instances. Can't say I've never done the same tbh. Seems like a more understandable bias. Not exactly a good thing, but as long as you're aware of it and trying to lessen it then that's about all you can do.


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MrMallard posted...

Still glad they didn't have access to firearms.

NICE, France (Reuters) - A knife-wielding attacker shouting Allahu Akbar beheaded a woman and killed two other people in a suspected terrorist act at a church in the French city of Nice on Thursday, while a gunman was shot dead by police in a separate incident.
Within hours of the Nice attack, police killed a man who had threatened passersby with a handgun in Montfavet, near the southern French city of Avignon. He was also shouting Allahu Akbar (God is greatest), according to radio station Europe 1.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-security-nice/three-dead-as-woman-beheaded-in-france-gunman-killed-in-second-incident-idUSKBN27E17D

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Absolutely horrible.

bigbadharry posted...

Rather just don't make fun of Islam. It's just not worth it.

Attacks like this make me want to make fun of Islam more. Don't be scared into silence.


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Ryven posted...

Here in Alberta years ago, a guy got beheaded on a Greyhound bus.

Shit like that is just scary, man. Fuck.

Pretty sure it was Manitoba. And to make things scarier, the guy who did has been released already I believe.

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This is horrible! :(

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legendary_zell posted...

Why is it acceptable to condemn a whole religion

Because said religion has a holy book which contains 100+ verses calling for it's followers to take up arms against non-believers or others who fail to live by the standards slated out in the book. The spread of such ideology is problematic and I will fight tooth and nail against such reprehensible ideology and its galvanized radicals.

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i really got marked and modded, jesus christ. why are people defending this?

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viewmaster_pi posted...

i really got marked and modded, jesus christ. why are people defending this?

Cus the mods on this site are a joke

Zano posted...

Because said religion has a holy book which contains 100+ verses calling for it's followers to take up arms against non-believers or others who fail to live by the standards slated out in the book. The spread of such ideology is problematic and I will fight tooth and nail against such reprehensible ideology and its galvanized radicals.

Will you notify the fire department before or after you set a mosque on fire?

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viewmaster_pi posted...

i really got marked and modded, jesus christ. why are people defending this?

I got modded for pointing out violence that is directly stated within a particular religion.

As others have stated, you really have to put on the kid gloves when dealing with a certain religion.

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MrMallard posted...

Still glad they didn't have access to firearms.

Im actually not sure it would have changed the body count much. They would have had to holster the weapon between murders to cut off the heads. The decapitation is the point. Im not sure it counts for them unless they decapitate the infidel.

Thompson posted...

Yeah, because implying that all muslims are bad is, like, totally okay.
/s.
EDIT: You changed your message while I was writing mine and now it quotes the new one.
Alrighty then...

I agree its not ok, but its weird how people know this and then still think that saying all cops are bad are ok.....

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HHH is the game posted...

I agree its not ok, but its weird how people know this and then still think that saying all cops are bad are ok.....

Thats because the police have a culture of shielding and deflecting from the extremists in their ranks. If more police spoke out against the obvious criminal violence and worked to stop it and hold those individuals accountable, it would be a more apt comparison.

HHH is the game posted...

I agree its not ok, but its weird how people know this and then still think that saying all cops are bad are ok.....

Yeah there is a big difference between those things. A profession is not the same as a religion which is not the same as an ethnicity, etc. These things are not all equivalent. A lot of it happens to be how much control do you have in belonging to that group. You have an awful lot of control over what profession you choose to be a part of assuming ability. Then you add in the reality of police unions and increasing law enforcement budgets and the criminal justice and prison system and...........

Yeah it isn't a valid comparison at all

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Thompson posted...

Will you notify the fire department before or after you set a mosque on fire?

What a disingenuous post. It actually says a lot about your (lack of) reasoning skills if you believe that warning about potentially dangerous ideology means that I would support violence against non-radical followers. Anyway, I'm not responding to any more of your dumb posts.

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It really is amazing how many of these incidents happen in France vs everywhere else in Europe
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HHH is the game posted...

I agree its not ok, but its weird how people know this and then still think that saying all cops are bad are ok.....

Remember after 9/11 when the US tried to "infiltrate" mosques by having people pretend to be extremists and they all ended up getting reported by said mosques
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Zano posted...

What a disingenuous post. It actually says a lot about your (lack of) reasoning skills if you believe that warning about potentially dangerous ideology means that I would support violence against non-radical followers. Anyway, I'm not responding to any more of your dumb posts.

Its not even potentially dangerous. Its outright dangerous. The violence is stated outright, directly, and unambiguously.

Thankfully most of its followers tend to ignore those messages.

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Bio1590 posted...

It really is amazing how many of these incidents happen in France vs everywhere else in Europe

France does have very strong secular laws. Muslims could see this general anti religion in law attitude as anti Muslim. Add free speech and how that relates to cartoon drawings and there you go. I've always gotten the impression that France has a lot of Muslim refugees like many Western countries.

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Bio1590 posted...

It really is amazing how many of these incidents happen in France vs everywhere else in Europe

it's most likely a combination of France having one of the highest concentration of Muslims in Europe and the fact that their extremely secular culture more often directly butts heads with a religion that's very sensitive to violations by non-believers.

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Zano posted...

Because said religion has a holy book which contains 100+ verses calling for it's followers to take up arms against non-believers or others who fail to live by the standards slated out in the book. The spread of such ideology is problematic and I will fight tooth and nail against such reprehensible ideology and its galvanized radicals.

Well put
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Bio1590 posted...

It really is amazing how many of these incidents happen in France vs everywhere else in Europe

As far as I can tell from looking into this quite a bit, most of these attacks worldwide are from radicalised second or third generation immigrants (this part is speculative, but I would imagine most first generation immigrants are either just struggling to get by or actively wanted to move to that place), of which France has a lot compared to other European nations due to its colonial history. I think the recent history of satirising Islam has also stirred up a lot of trouble, as rightful as the satirists were to be allowed to do so.

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Bio1590 posted...

Remember after 9/11 when the US tried to "infiltrate" mosques by having people pretend to be extremists and they all ended up getting reported by said mosques

Also, remember how white supremacists routinely infiltrate law enforcement and are just regular old cops who get protected by the system.

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this is one of the reasons why the world would be better off without religion

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mods are really going in on anyone saying anything bad about islam, soooo yeah, looks like the rule really is just don't say anything about it no matter what

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viewmaster_pi posted...

mods are really going in on anyone saying anything bad about islam, soooo yeah, looks like the rule really is just don't say anything about it no matter what

Sure buddy. Youre a great source on not saying bigoted shit after all

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Phynaster posted...

Sure buddy. Youre a great source on not saying bigoted shit after all

and here's our extremist marking everyone

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viewmaster_pi posted...

and here's our extremist marking everyone

Havent marked anyone itt, and extremist? Lmao

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I believe you so much

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viewmaster_pi posted...

I believe you so much

Im working and have made 2 posts since this morning. I dont give a fuck if you believe me

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Aaaaand theres the white nationalist propaganda. I did mark that post!

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viewmaster your original post ITT was literally a bigoted meme phrase that originated on /pol/ so please dont pretend to be innocent at all. You do the same shit in threads about trans issues too. Stop pretending youre not constantly posting thinly-veiled bigotry.

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s0nicfan posted...

it's most likely a combination of France having one of the highest concentration of Muslims in Europe and the fact that their extremely secular culture more often directly butts heads with a religion that's very sensitive to violations by non-believers.

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Yeah but it feels like France has more incidents than everyone else combined, or at the very least it's registering at a significantly higher rate than it "should".

I know this article is incomplete (It's missing the stabbing incident from the summer in England, which I believe was classified as terrorism), but you can really see how often France's flag shows up compared to everyone else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism_in_Europe

Sheep007 posted...

As far as I can tell from looking into this quite a bit, most of these attacks worldwide are from radicalised second or third generation immigrants (this part is speculative, but I would imagine most first generation immigrants are either just struggling to get by or actively wanted to move to that place), of which France has a lot compared to other European nations due to its colonial history. I think the recent history of satirising Islam has also stirred up a lot of trouble, as rightful as the satirists were to be allowed to do so.

I need to find it again but I remember reading a study commissioned by the government in either the UK (as a whole) or just England, that was specifically in regards to Muslim immigrants and found that the kids of said immigrants were generally more secular than their parents and even those that were adherent were less...idk I want to say "strict" about it than their parents? But obviously that's the UK.
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viewmaster_pi posted...

bigotry my ass, people are being beheaded ffs, and the usual extreme left suspects are crawling out of the woodwork to defend it. real nice

Who has defended this

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viewmaster_pi posted...

mods are really going in on anyone saying anything bad about islam, soooo yeah, looks like the rule really is just don't say anything about it no matter what

I still see some posts in the thread that aren't modded but should be. bunch of inconsistent clowns make up the modders here.

Bio1590 posted...

I need to find it again but I remember reading a study commissioned by the government in either the UK (as a whole) or just England, that was specifically in regards to Muslim immigrants and found that the kids of said immigrants were generally more secular than their parents and even those that were adherent were less...idk I want to say "strict" about it than their parents? But obviously that's the UK.

Oh yeah, for sure. I think that's the most common path, based on anecdotal experience too. Almost nobody in terms of numbers goes on to be a terrorist, after all. My point was mostly to argue that the idea of "just deport them/stop them coming lol" doesn't really work when most were born and radicalised while in that same country. It's not some group of mindless jihadists running from Syria to kill all the white people.

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