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MoogleKupo141
11/07/20 2:37:34 PM
#253:


Nanis23 posted...

Why would anyone waste their time doing this


because they want to vote in the other races on the ballot but dont want to vote for biden
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Nanis23
11/07/20 2:45:21 PM
#254:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
because they want to vote in the other races on the ballot but dont want to vote for biden
But they have literally 0% chance of winning
Does having more votes help them achieve something?

(and unlike voting in a Gamefaqs contest, going to vote for a president actually takes effort)

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Wanglicious
11/07/20 2:52:12 PM
#255:


voting third party is a protest vote usually. it's to give them some form of legitimacy while they have it.
voting down ballot matters a lot more than the presidency as well because state and local elections have significantly greater impact on day to day life. especially this year when it also will redefine district lines, which will affect politics for the next 10 years.

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mnkboy907
11/07/20 2:52:14 PM
#256:


Nanis23 posted...
But they have literally 0% chance of winning
Does having more votes help them achieve something?

(and unlike voting in a Gamefaqs contest, going to vote for a president actually takes effort)

Yes actually. If a third party ever manages to get enough votes (like 5% or something), it means they get a larger platform and more funding in the next election.

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agesboy
11/07/20 2:56:29 PM
#257:


Wanglicious posted...
voting third party is a protest vote usually. it's to give them some form of legitimacy while they have it.
that is an extremely dismissive way to view it

having two parties so close in ideology as the only choices in an of itself is incredibly unhealthy for a democracy and that has to be changed before real change can occur in this country

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NFUN
11/07/20 3:00:23 PM
#258:


agesboy posted...
that is an extremely dismissive way to view it

having two parties so close in ideology as the only choices in an of itself is incredibly unhealthy for a democracy and that has to be changed before real change can occur in this country
Yes, and voting third party for major races in a system like America's does actually nothing to change this

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barreldragon88
11/07/20 3:01:36 PM
#259:


Who knows if a third party will ever matter in this country. Change just comes too difficult here and it's killing America

Thought we would have to wait weeks to get the final result, but at last, it's over. I guess poll numbers can actually have some legitimacy, but PA was not looking good for a while

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foolm0r0n
11/07/20 3:01:37 PM
#260:


3rd party voting and even non-voting are the only things defending the power of your vote in a 2-party system. If we were forced to vote for the 2-parties then there would be absolutely 0 reason for them to campaign or advertise for edge case policies, like Biden's woke and leftist rhetoric, or Trump's anti-war anti-establishment rhetoric. All progressive ideas in either party are implicitly driven by the non-2-party voters. So it's a fine vote if you just care about protecting what little power our votes have.

But in a practical sense, yeah if a 3rd party gets 5% of the vote they also get a huge boost in platform. Ls get pretty close to that sometimes, and it's happened in the past, so it's a realistic goal.

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Wanglicious
11/07/20 3:01:43 PM
#261:


i agree, two party system here is fucked up.
but nothing there is dismissive as that's entirely the reality of it. if your position is "i'm voting third party because the two party system sucks," cool, you're throwing down a protest vote.

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Wanglicious
11/07/20 3:04:33 PM
#262:


barreldragon88 posted...
Who knows if a third party will ever matter in this country. Change just comes too difficult here and it's killing America

rank choice voting is gaining popularity at least. that would be a major step towards doing that.
beyond that it's just trying to keep the third party legit enough for them to matter, whether it's through close races, getting just enough percentage, or any reform.

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agesboy
11/07/20 3:21:01 PM
#263:


Wanglicious posted...
if your position is "i'm voting third party because the two party system sucks," cool, you're throwing down a protest vote.
no it is a vote explicitly to change the system, not to express dissatisfaction by itself

as stated before, getting 5% of the vote would be huge, and my vote means a lot more for getting a third party to 5% than overshooting or undercutting whatever victory or loss the "main two" candidates in my state will have

you're projecting third party votes as impotent- which is exactly what bipartisan leadership wants so they can retain the two party system- when there is a very clear and attainable goal relatively close

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Aecioo
11/07/20 3:32:03 PM
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Hardcore_Adult
11/07/20 3:37:57 PM
#265:


Wanglicious posted...
i agree, two party system here is fucked up.
but nothing there is dismissive as that's entirely the reality of it. if your position is "i'm voting third party because the two party system sucks," cool, you're throwing down a protest vote.

So you're all like:



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GuessMyUserName
11/07/20 3:38:44 PM
#266:


agesboy posted...
getting 5% of the vote would be huge
not in the slightest bit at all

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Wanglicious
11/07/20 3:39:54 PM
#267:


agesboy posted...
no it is a vote explicitly to change the system, not to express dissatisfaction by itself

as stated before, getting 5% of the vote would be huge, and my vote means a lot more for getting a third party to 5% than overshooting or undercutting whatever victory or loss the "main two" candidates in my state will have

you're projecting third party votes as impotent- which is exactly what bipartisan leadership wants so they can retain the two party system- when there is a very clear and attainable goal relatively close

i mean it's not always impotent, ross perot's still relatively recent.
but i don't know what's relative close here, a third party mattering in a presidential election? sure, possible to happen again. winning? possible within state legislatures or a rare occasion of the federal one. presidency, a long way from that and if the pitch is for changing the system, nowhere near it.

but i've got no issues with protest votes or voting third party. i'm for it, i'm of the belief that all politicians should earn your vote, not that you give it to the lesser evil. i just also don't see it as much more than that.

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foolm0r0n
11/07/20 3:56:02 PM
#268:


What anti-3rd party people will never admit is that non-battleground votes (like D votes in CA) are LITERALLY 100% worthless. You can't genuinely suggest that kind of vote over a 3rd party.

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agesboy
11/07/20 4:15:47 PM
#269:


Wanglicious posted...
but i don't know what's relative close here, a third party mattering in a presidential election? sure, possible to happen again. winning? possible within state legislatures or a rare occasion of the federal one. presidency, a long way from that and if the pitch is for changing the system, nowhere near it.
the 5% threshold as mentioned earlier will help to allow people to realize "hey i don't have to choose between shit and shitter"

it's not an immediate thing but without more visibility we will actually never escape a two party system except via a violent revolution

foolm0r0n posted...
What anti-3rd party people will never admit is that non-battleground votes (like D votes in CA) are LITERALLY 100% worthless. You can't genuinely suggest that kind of vote over a 3rd party.
louisiana here, we will never be blue so who even cares

we just passed an anti-abortion bill with like 65% of the vote

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Wanglicious
11/07/20 4:18:58 PM
#270:


agesboy posted...


it's not an immediate thing but without more visibility we will actually never escape a two party system except via a violent revolution

i agree on that. so yeah i probably was being too harsh.
consider it a jaded reaction of 'i'll see it when i believe it.'

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Team Rocket Elite
11/07/20 4:19:58 PM
#271:


It is possible for Trump to run as a third party, right? I imagine he clears 5% easy.
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UshiromiyaEva
11/07/20 4:22:04 PM
#272:


Boy would I love for Trump to run as a 3rd party every 4 years until he dies and guarantee a Republican loss.

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Blaziken
11/07/20 4:23:33 PM
#273:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
Boy would I love for Trump to run as a 3rd party every 4 years until he dies and guarantee a Republican loss.

Don't say this. This logic is why Joe Lieberman was in the Senate to fuck with the ACA back in 2009.

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Wanglicious
11/07/20 4:24:41 PM
#274:


trump could, yes. he could also make a MAGA party and surely that would also clear it in 2022/2024.
but i don't think he would.

doesn't help that if he did i'd assume liz cheney would be pushed even harder than she already is and everything would be 100x worse.


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agesboy
11/07/20 4:28:04 PM
#275:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
Boy would I love for Trump to run as a 3rd party every 4 years until he dies and guarantee a Republican loss.
i barely ever post on this board anymore but every time i see stuff about leeching votes my mind returns back to B8 and SFF

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GuessMyUserName
11/07/20 4:28:11 PM
#276:


y'know, Trump could absolutely win a senate seat if he wanted to stick around

boy that'd be something.... but of course Trump would never want to publicly "demote" himself like that

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Team Rocket Elite
11/07/20 4:30:22 PM
#277:


Would Trump's fanbase want him to run again even if it meant going 3rd party? I've seen some people here say Trump would be too old at that point so maybe not.
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foolm0r0n
11/07/20 4:30:50 PM
#278:


Hillary could've reran this year too if she wanted. That's just not how elites do things. When they lose, they're out. Lay low and move onto the next thing.

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Jakyl25
11/07/20 4:32:24 PM
#279:


GuessMyUserName posted...
y'know, Trump could absolutely win a senate seat if he wanted to stick around

boy that'd be something.... but of course Trump would never want to publicly "demote" himself like that


Oh god hed be running against Rubio

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Wanglicious
11/07/20 4:33:25 PM
#280:


trump's base wouldn't really want him in 2024, no. they can say it now but the man would be over 80, it ain't happening.
instead they'll push for other people and there's a lot to choose from.

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GuessMyUserName
11/07/20 4:34:39 PM
#281:


Wanglicious posted...
instead they'll push for other Trumps and there's a lot to choose from.
fix'd

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Dancedreamer
11/07/20 5:16:06 PM
#282:


2024 will be Matt Gaetz year to run.

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DeathChicken
11/07/20 5:22:59 PM
#283:


Trump will very likely not be alive in 2024. He's old, morbidly obese and trying to ignore Covid via a bunch of mystery drugs

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kevwaffles
11/07/20 5:26:18 PM
#284:


I don't think any established politician can just step in and fill Trump's shoes in four years, no matter how pro-Trump they were.
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Grimlyn
11/07/20 5:27:57 PM
#285:


gotta find someone with the Three Stooges Syndrome like Trump

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wordscansay
11/07/20 6:19:53 PM
#286:


I wonder if he (Biden) even knows it?
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Reg
11/07/20 7:30:31 PM
#287:


Dancedreamer posted...
2024 will be Matt Gaetz year to run.
I'm pretty sure 2024 is going to see someone like Ryan or Chaffetz come out of the woodwork, depressingly enough. Whether they're actually successful in the primary is a different story.
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LordoftheMorons
11/07/20 8:09:10 PM
#288:


https://twitter.com/morten/status/1325205001287823361

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mnkboy907
11/07/20 8:27:48 PM
#289:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/morten/status/1325205001287823361

Was the staffer named George Oscar Bluth by any chance?

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red sox 777
11/07/20 8:38:45 PM
#290:


Early prediction with no significant confidence is: Trump is the Republican nominee in 2024.

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Forceful_Dragon
11/07/20 9:04:11 PM
#291:


That will depend very much on whether or not he is a convicted criminal.

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DeepsPraw
11/07/20 9:06:15 PM
#292:


If there are any criminal charges against Trump, Biden will 100% pardon him. I don't see how anyone would believe otherwise

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LordoftheMorons
11/07/20 9:10:49 PM
#293:


DeepsPraw posted...
If there are any criminal charges against Trump, Biden will 100% pardon him. I don't see how anyone would believe otherwise
He has explicitly said that he will not pardon Trump

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barreldragon88
11/07/20 9:44:07 PM
#294:


Why would Biden pardon Trump

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Corrik7
11/07/20 9:48:39 PM
#295:


red sox 777 posted...
Early prediction with no significant confidence is: Trump is the Republican nominee in 2024.
Nah. Too old.

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Corrik7
11/07/20 9:49:29 PM
#296:


We want Ivanka or Nikki in 2024.

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LordoftheMorons
11/07/20 9:58:45 PM
#297:


Hard pass

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MoogleKupo141
11/07/20 10:00:43 PM
#298:


Biden wont pardon trump, but he also wont have any need to because Trump isnt going to be charged with anything.

no one actually wants to prosecute their predecessors, its like theyve all silently agreed to not do it so the next guy wont do it to them
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Forceful_Dragon
11/07/20 10:05:18 PM
#299:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
no one actually wants to prosecute their predecessors, its like theyve all silently agreed to not do it so the next guy wont do it to them

And how many presidents have actually abused their position as president to investigate their political opponents? Or to enrich their own family fortune? I'm not talking about 'putting themselves in a position to have a lucrative consulting job after their presidency ends' but literally throwing the governments money at their own business.

You can't compare Trump's actions to previous presidents but there is no apt comparison to make. He's on an entirely different level.

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StartTheMachine
11/08/20 2:10:33 AM
#300:


red sox 777 posted...
Early prediction with no significant confidence is: Trump is the Republican nominee in 2024.

Do your folks actually like Don Jr? Or does he simply lack the "charisma" of his old man? He was always who I thought would be next in line.

I guess Ivanka could be a Trump who doesn't speak on a third grade reading level...but seems like that would turn off the base.

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red sox 777
11/08/20 2:24:36 AM
#301:


StartTheMachine posted...
Do your folks actually like Don Jr? Or does he simply lack the "charisma" of his old man? He was always who I thought would be next in line.

I guess Ivanka could be a Trump who doesn't speak on a third grade reading level...but seems like that would turn off the base.

I don't think Don Jr. or Ivanka have any real chance of winning. It has to be Donald in that family. As for other Republicans.... can any of them hope to put up the kind of numbers Trump just did with minorities? Or the kind of turnout he can get from his base?

That said, I suppose it's a different story if the Democrats look to nominate a socialist/far left person. The Republican Party probably feels a Ted Cruz/Marco Rubio type would win against Bernie or AOC and they'd probably be correct about that.

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Natwaf_akidna
11/08/20 3:41:54 AM
#302:


Never nudes are an actual thing?

It wasnt just a joke in a tv show?

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